EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 14, 2021 15:45:15 GMT -5
Of course kids say they want to do this and that. There is player speak, just like coach speak. If Mac's best offer was Villanova, he would go there and spin the same narrative, wanting to win a national title, continuing their success with guards, etc. Almost every kid is shooting for the NBA. Doesn't matter how few make it or how widly unrealistic it is. You make it this far, to high D1, you might as well dream big since you made it further than most. These kids don't share your memories of the Green/Porter/Hibbert teams. They want to be coached by an NBA Legend such as Ewing, until another school is better for their brand. The reasons a recruit picks a school is not the same reasons a fan loves that school. That's the disconnect. Dude why don't you ever address me? Why are you just commenting and not quoting me directly? Only a fool speaks just to be speaking but a wise man speaks about something he knows about.. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/23/meet-georgetown-freshmen-who-are-trying-put-hoyas-basketball-back-map/Second article: A Gate's City Media Video. Second Paragraph: Mac talks about how Coach Ewing wants to bring the program back and Mac says he's all for it on National Signing Day. www.wjhl.com/sports/national-signing-day-gate-citys-mcclung-signs-with-georgetown-hoyas/I can't see how Mac is a good example of the point you're trying to make in this discussion, Akionjo or Paul George either...
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 14, 2021 16:00:46 GMT -5
3 kids hell bent on restoring the Gtown legacy. Two of them bolted, one of them ended up at Fresno State. Great examples. I guess they had bigger priorities than restoring tradition...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 16:13:19 GMT -5
I can't see how Mac is a good example of the point you're trying to make in this discussion, Akionjo or Paul George either... First of all, what is the point that I am making?
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Post by hoyainla on Jun 14, 2021 18:11:37 GMT -5
You are out of touch with reality if you think kids care about a school's legacy from 30 years ago. They care about their own brand, for good reason. Fans are selfish and want kids to be unselfish haha. Why did Aminu and his handler choose Georgetown? Why did Mac and Akinjo choose the Hoyas? Why did Paul George want to choose the Hoyas? You tell me. Aminu wanted to come back to DC and be the man. He didn't even include the legacy stuff "player speak" in his comments. “The academics, the style of play, the coaching and it is a good environment," said Mohammed when asked why ultimately chose to go with Ewing's program. Mac came because we were his best offer and needed a PG. Akinjo came because he knew Mac was not a PG and he would have all the playing time he wanted. I don't care what any player who didn't actually come to Georgetown said as it's meaningless. You are trying to prove your point with a guy who still hasn't suited up for the Hoyas, a guy who never suited up for the Hoyas and two guys who left after a combined 3.5 years? If anything Mac and Akinjo further kill your point by leaving their next school after a year. Most recruits, and more importantly their handlers, these days are opportunists. Aminu is a big recruit for us because if Ewing can get make him a 1st round pick after one year we would likely get more players of his caliber. It won't matter to those guys we made 3 championship games in 3 years in the 80's. It will matter that coach turned a top recruit into a 1st rounder. You probably should have chosen Jamorko and if you want to go back pre Ewing then Jagan to prove your point about legacy and winning.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 14, 2021 18:47:34 GMT -5
Mac chose Gtown because it was his best offer. Aminu chose Gtown because it's a depleted roster ideal for him as a stepping stone to the NBA. And Paul George chose the impressive basketball factory over the legacy of Georgetown. Paul George is one of the players cited in the summer series on the ones that got away. However, his was a different story than McClung and Mohammed. George was a top 150 recruit that had decommitted from Pepperdine. He specifically wanted a school where he would start and get lots of PT to become a competitive NBA draft candidate. The Hoyas in 2008 were a deep team especially up front: Macklin, Summers, the three incoming recruits of Monroe, Henry Sims, and Chris Braswell (before he was ineligible). Add an inbound transfer in Julian Vaughn and an early arrival from Hollis Thompson in 2009-10 and there was little chance JT III would promise 35 minutes per game to any recruit as a result. Fresno State was under probation and lost four starters off a 13-19 team. They had comparatively little to lose by handing over the keys to a freshman.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jun 14, 2021 19:04:17 GMT -5
The current state of our Hoya Program...I feel like we are trending up. I think all of us were overjoyed in winning our BE record 8th championship. We have alot to offer/sell to recruits;brand recognition, facilities. We have the best jersey collection in the country. The Thompson Center will really be instrumental going forward in terms of recruiting and basketball legacy. I definitely see us winning some/more regular season/tournament championships in the Ewing era. #HoyaResurgence
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 14, 2021 19:21:29 GMT -5
We have the best jersey collection in the country. Whether this is true doesn't really matter, as recruits don't want jerseys, they want to win and they want to get to the NBA. They'd wear hideous uniforms if it got them there. The Thompson Center will really be instrumental going forward in terms of recruiting and basketball legacy. Yes, and no. Yes, in the sense that getting a dedicated practice facility was absolutely crucial in keeping up with everybody else. And, from what I gather and see, it's a great facility (haven't seen it in person yet). No, in the sense that most top 50-ish programs have such a facility. Some schools, especially ones that have big time football, however, have facilities that absolutely blow away the Thompson Center. They also have dedicated cafeterias, dorms, etc. Georgetown does not (and I would argue, should not). So no doubt, the Thompson Center was crucial in keeping up with the Jones', I just don't think it is as much of a differentiating factor as many of you think it is. Of course, it was a gigantic upgrade from the embarrassment that is Yates, but it just isn't as much of a differentiating factor as some seem to think. I definitely see us winning some/more regular season/tournament championships in the Ewing era. #HoyaResurgence I hope so!
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 14, 2021 20:18:16 GMT -5
I think we are trending up but are at a really fragile tipping point, this might be one of most important individual seasons ever coming up in my mind (dead cat bounce vs a giant waking up finally). This is about a knife edge walk as it could get esp with Ewing needing a renewal this year just adding weight to the situation. We got a real defib shock between the class, Dante stepping up, silverware, making the dance again, etc and we can’t lose the patient again or..I don’t even want to think about “or”. Our boys can do it, this is practically a brand new team with basically no real active members playing before the great exodus and as much as i love Pickett and Blair, I like this new blood a lot (I’m on the Riley hype train, public school sports!) and it feels like they got to slam the book close on that phase of our history by giving us a trophy and honestly an insane amount of joy during the BET during a miserable pandemic. So I believe we can keep it going with this flurry of new hoyas, which on paper is probably the most talented team we have had in a long time esp the frosh
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 14, 2021 20:25:08 GMT -5
Mac chose Gtown because it was his best offer. Aminu chose Gtown because it's a depleted roster ideal for him as a stepping stone to the NBA. And Paul George chose the impressive basketball factory over the legacy of Georgetown. Paul George is one of the players cited in the summer series on the ones that got away. However, his was a different story than McClung and Mohammed. George was a top 150 recruit that had decommitted from Pepperdine. He specifically wanted a school where he would start and get lots of PT to become a competitive NBA draft candidate. The Hoyas in 2008 were a deep team especially up front: Macklin, Summers, the three incoming recruits of Monroe, Henry Sims, and Chris Braswell (before he was ineligible). Add an inbound transfer in Julian Vaughn and an early arrival from Hollis Thompson in 2009-10 and there was little chance JT III would promise 35 minutes per game to any recruit as a result. Fresno State was under probation and lost four starters off a 13-19 team. They had comparatively little to lose by handing over the keys to a freshman. If you look at Paul George's track record, he's a guy who loves Los Angeles and California. Staying close to home was probably one of the biggest factors for him.
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Post by hsaxon on Jun 14, 2021 21:09:27 GMT -5
Paul George is one of the players cited in the summer series on the ones that got away. However, his was a different story than McClung and Mohammed. George was a top 150 recruit that had decommitted from Pepperdine. He specifically wanted a school where he would start and get lots of PT to become a competitive NBA draft candidate. The Hoyas in 2008 were a deep team especially up front: Macklin, Summers, the three incoming recruits of Monroe, Henry Sims, and Chris Braswell (before he was ineligible). Add an inbound transfer in Julian Vaughn and an early arrival from Hollis Thompson in 2009-10 and there was little chance JT III would promise 35 minutes per game to any recruit as a result. Fresno State was under probation and lost four starters off a 13-19 team. They had comparatively little to lose by handing over the keys to a freshman. If you look at Paul George's track record, he's a guy who loves Los Angeles and California. Staying close to home was probably one of the biggest factors for him. Paul George has nothing to do with the current state of the GU program.
As was pointed out, another strong recruiting class is really important.
As is the contractual status of Coach Ewing.
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Post by hoya59er on Jun 24, 2021 15:48:48 GMT -5
Keys:
Finishing near the top of the BE, with 18 to 20 overall wins.
Getting one or two prize recruits from the DC area - finally!
Consistently strong defense and offense.
A few upset wins.
Getting good attendance at our home games, which is a huge concern I have.
Let's hope and pray!!
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Post by prhoya on Jun 24, 2021 16:47:30 GMT -5
Keys: Finishing near the top of the BE, with 18 to 20 overall wins. Getting one or two prize recruits from the DC area - finally! Consistently strong defense and offense. A few upset wins. Getting good attendance at our home games, which is a huge concern I have. Let's hope and pray!! Villanova’s consistency.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 24, 2021 18:12:32 GMT -5
I think you can add “player retention and development” to the list which has a lot to do with consistency. See Villanova.
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Post by drquigley on Jun 24, 2021 19:32:50 GMT -5
Winning year, NCAA bid, NCAA win but most important, NO DRAMA!!!
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hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 26, 2021 5:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by hoya59er on Jul 3, 2021 17:23:01 GMT -5
I sure hope for good news, another strong recruiting class. A top national recruit or two and very definitely we have regain our prestige with recruits in the DC area.
Come on, coaches, let's have success, and soon.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jul 4, 2021 1:16:32 GMT -5
I wonder how the Freshmen vs. everyone else scrimages go?
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Post by hoya59er on Jul 10, 2021 18:45:46 GMT -5
I check the BBall chat site regularly, hoping for news. I gotta learn. There seldom is any. Just us. Our freshmen should be exciting, for sure, and Harris and Carey, also for sure. Be interesting (and important) how our center position works out.
This is the year for Ewing to show that he is a very good coach.
Play strong OOC teams, wish we had Maryland rather than AU, etc.
Win 20 or so games, and be very competitive vs. Nova, UConn, etc.
Strong defense.
At least two great recruits, at least one form DC area.
Come on Hoyas, come on Ewing.
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Post by hoya59er on Jul 12, 2021 15:51:44 GMT -5
Bummer about Ward from DeMatha, heading to Xavier.
I sure hope Ewing will land a top local recruit. It has been a long time!
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 14, 2021 0:41:45 GMT -5
I check the BBall chat site regularly, hoping for news. I gotta learn. There seldom is any. Just us. Our freshmen should be exciting, for sure, and Harris and Carey, also for sure. Be interesting (and important) how our center position works out.
This is the year for Ewing to show that he is a very good coach.
Play strong OOC teams, wish we had Maryland rather than AU, etc.
Win 20 or so games, and be very competitive vs. Nova, UConn, etc.
Strong defense.
At least two great recruits, at least one form DC area.
Come on Hoyas, come on Ewing. This is definitely still a very important year and i know we closed the “record next year to keep Ewing” or something thread but the job ain’t done yet of properly being back up and stable esp with b-ball being just so influx all of the time so the goal as is with many teams is about the 20 win mark with an above .500 finish overall being probably the bare minimum to keep his job and I would like anything of a post season with the big dance or even an NIT bid but we better do well in it and land some good recruits as the big East is reloading fast so can’t fall behind again. Recent BE preseason see us as on the bubble finishing in the 5th-9th bracket more so due to unknowns with the youth and transfers from mid majors and many are bullish on the conference bouncing back with at least 5 teams making it so let’s be one of them
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