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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 18:02:43 GMT -5
I believe people in the DC area took offense to JT not recruiting Sherman. I started watching college hoops his final season at Syracuse and if I'm not mistaken Hoya fans were satisfied that JT's teams pretty much owned the Syracuse teams Sherman played on. As for Curt Smith I think you are confusing The Cap Classic for the McDAA game. Smith was a playground legend and one of the best scorers to ever suit up for the Kenner League but he never amounted to much outside of that. I think grades were also an issue with him. Perhaps if his academics had been better he could have been really something in college. Or maybe his style wouldn't have translated to college regardless. Sherman wasn't a good fit. Short,not very good laterally and not very athletic. The Syracuse zone helped mask his defensive deficiencies. I don't think Sherman was what Pops was looking for defensively from a Hoyas Guard. My goodness professor, you're knocking Grant Hill and Sherman Douglas? Both guys played long years in the NBA and one of them is a hall of famer. Sherman's Dfense was good enough for the Celtics but not good enough for the Hoyas when all they do in college is played zone and that's mostly what teams did back in the day for the most part? Even though, I do know that the Hoyas did press alot. Still I don't think Sherman was that bad on dfense. Matter of fact, Sherman was better than most of the point guards we've had on the team and there is no question about that. Furthermore, Sherman was the star on the Syracuse team all four years. Don't try to tear down Grant, Sherman or any other local stars and take away from their contributions to basketball by landing ad hominem attacks with name calling on top of that. You call Grant Hill soft implying he was a punk. You don't even know that man. Grant Hill, I believe won two NCAA championships so he couldn't be that much of a punk. I notice you keep calling Coach "pops". Are you releated to Coach? If so, do you think he would appreciate you calling these guys names and attacking thier characters like you do? |
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 5, 2020 18:14:41 GMT -5
Sherman wasn't a good fit. Short,not very good laterally and not very athletic. The Syracuse zone helped mask his defensive deficiencies. I don't think Sherman was what Pops was looking for defensively from a Hoyas Guard. My goodness professor, you're knocking Grant Hill and Sherman Douglas? Both guys played long years in the NBA and one of them is a hall of famer. Sherman's Dfense was good enough for the Celtics but not good enough for the Hoyas when all they do in college is played zone and that's mostly what teams did back in the day for the most part? Even though, I do know that the Hoyas did press alot. Still I don't think Sherman was that bad on dfense. Matter of fact, Sherman was better than most of the point guards we've had on the team and there is no question about that. Furthermore, Sherman was the star on the Syracuse team all four years. Don't try to tear down Grant, Sherman or any other local stars and take away from their contributions to basketball by landing ad hominem attacks with name calling on top of that. You call Grant Hill soft implying he was a punk. You don't even know that man. Grant Hill, I believe won two NCAA championships so he couldn't be that much of a punk. I notice you keep calling Coach "pops". Are you releated to Coach? If so, do you think he would appreciate you calling these guys names and attacking thier characters like you do? I never said they were horrible. Just not good fits. Sherman was much better at Syracuse then he was in the NBA where he floated around with the Celts and Heat. That's no knock on him, NBA's another level. Hill was soft. A finesse player. Not sure how that makes him a punk. Great player whose career was cut short by his ankle injury. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 18:26:03 GMT -5
My goodness professor, you're knocking Grant Hill and Sherman Douglas? Both guys played long years in the NBA and one of them is a hall of famer. Sherman's Dfense was good enough for the Celtics but not good enough for the Hoyas when all they do in college is played zone and that's mostly what teams did back in the day for the most part? Even though, I do know that the Hoyas did press alot. Still I don't think Sherman was that bad on dfense. Matter of fact, Sherman was better than most of the point guards we've had on the team and there is no question about that. Furthermore, Sherman was the star on the Syracuse team all four years. Don't try to tear down Grant, Sherman or any other local stars and take away from their contributions to basketball by landing ad hominem attacks with name calling on top of that. You call Grant Hill soft implying he was a punk. You don't even know that man. Grant Hill, I believe won two NCAA championships so he couldn't be that much of a punk. I notice you keep calling Coach "pops". Are you releated to Coach? If so, do you think he would appreciate you calling these guys names and attacking thier characters like you do? I never said they were horrible. Just not good fits. Sherman was much better at Syracuse then he was in the NBA where he floated around with the Celts and Heat. That's no knock on him, NBA's another level. Hill was soft. A finesse player. Not sure how that makes him a punk. Great player whose career was cut short by his ankle injury. Yeah a lot of players "float around" but not many players play in the league for 10 years. Do you have a grudge against Hill? You keep referring to him as soft. Also, are you related to Coach? Please answer. |
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Sept 5, 2020 18:59:12 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 5, 2020 19:00:49 GMT -5
God bless the man. He made something out of nothing and had done far more good than bad. As Hoya fans we are forever in his debt. But, taking again from his own words, he left money on the table. Two outstanding posts MCI. The earlier one on recruiting history and this one. Yes, JT did a brilliant job. But if he had kept at it like Calhoun, Boeheim, Wooden, Coack K, even his idol Dean... JT could have accomplished so much more. I am forever grateful to the man having watched his entire GU career from his arrival in 1972 (I was at his first GU game) until retirement in 1999 ( I happened to be at that game too, v SHU in the Meadowlands). Of course, his success on the court gave him the platform to achieve so much more off the court. And maybe that was even more important. Honoring a great one when he passes is the right thing to do. But JT always liked to keep it real, and you are doing that. Well done MCI. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 19:13:08 GMT -5
God bless the man. He made something out of nothing and had done far more good than bad. As Hoya fans we are forever in his debt. But, taking again from his own words, he left money on the table. Two outstanding posts MCI. The earlier one on recruiting history and this one. Yes, JT did a brilliant job. But if he had kept at it like Calhoun, Boeheim, Wooden, Coack K, even his idol Dean... JT could have accomplished so much more. I am forever grateful to the man having watched his entire GU career from his arrival in 1972 (I was at his first GU game) until retirement in 1999 ( I happened to be at that game too, v SHU in the Meadowlands). Of course, his success on the court gave him the platform to achieve so much more off the court. And maybe that was even more important. Honoring a great one when he passes is the right thing to do. But JT always liked to keep it real, and you are doing that. Well done MCI. I think MCI is the best poster on here. He's very knowledgable, fair and honest. Also he is never condenscending and he always put things in thier proper perspective. I always enjoy reading his posts. |
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Post by the_way on Sept 5, 2020 20:36:55 GMT -5
Sherman Douglass did not go to G-town because Michael Graham went to the same high school.
That's right, the Michael Graham.
Graham was a lock to go to Maryland. Coach Thompson landed Graham during the final stages of recruiting. Because of the switch, Douglass' high school coach didn't like it.
Go to the 28:41 mark
Coach out-recruited Maryland for Graham (DC kid) who helped us win a National title. Instead of Sherman Douglass, Coach signed Charles Smith (DC kid), Bobby Winston (DC kid), and the following year, high school all-american Dwayne Bryant. Those G-town teams with those guys fared pretty well against Sherman and company, correct?
Shaq already stated on the Coach Thompson TNT tribute show, that since he met Dale Brown at a young age he was going to LSU. If it wasn't for his relationship with Dale Brown, G-town would have been his next choice.
Michael Jackson had no issues with G-town or the recruitment process. Came from the same school as Grant Hill.
Boeheim and Coach K couldn't have been more effusive about Coach's impact on the game of basketball and outside of it. Coach K said recently after Coach's passing that there was nobody else like Coach Thompson. You aren't going to find another Coach Thompson. He kept saying it. He said it for a reason.
Even the greats recognize the greatness of Coach Thompson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 21:16:35 GMT -5
Sherman Douglass did not go to G-town because Michael Graham went to the same high school. That's right, the Michael Graham. Graham was a lock to go to Maryland. Coach Thompson landed Graham during the final stages of recruiting. Because of the switch, Douglass' high school coach didn't like it. Go to the 28:41 mark Coach out-recruited Maryland for Graham (DC kid) who helped us win a National title. Instead of Sherman Douglass, Coach signed Charles Smith (DC kid), Bobby Winston (DC kid), and the following year, high school all-american Dwayne Bryant. Those G-town teams with those guys fared pretty well against Sherman and company, correct? Shaq already stated on the Coach Thompson TNT tribute show, that since he met Dale Brown at a young age he was going to LSU. If it wasn't for his relationship with Dale Brown, G-town would have been his next choice. Michael Jackson had no issues with G-town or the recruitment process. Came from the same school as Grant Hill. Boeheim and Coach K couldn't have been more effusive about Coach's impact on the game of basketball and outside of it. Coach K said recently after Coach's passing that there was nobody else like Coach Thompson. You aren't going to find another Coach Thompson. He kept saying it. He said it for a reason. Even the greats recognize the greatness of Coach Thompson. Thanks for the post and we love Coach Thompson. We all have said that. We also have said you can only have 13 scholarship players on a team and so you can't get every recruit. However, it would have been nice to get most of the best kids from the area recruited on the team. That's all were saying. Also, get the best kids, if you have a chance from other parts of the country. We love Coach Thompson and I was long singing his praises on these boards way before he left us to join the ancestors. Most people on these boards didn't want to hear it and got the whole feed moved by the moderator. But anyways, RIP Big John and we love you for all the things you've done for Georgetown and society at large. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 6, 2020 2:21:51 GMT -5
Don't forget Chris Jackson and Billy Owens, both of whom made claims that they waited on Hoya offers that never came. Would they have gone to Georgetown if the offers were made? can't say for sure but I wouldn't have bet against it. Shaq was so hurt and upset that he didn't get a Georgetown offer that he tried to punish former Hoya big men for his first years in the NBA (Steve Francis also had this attitude towards former Georgetown players in the NBA for the same reason). But in Thompson's defense he already had Alonzo and Dikembe in the fold. There was no room for Shaq. Also Corliss Williamson was seen as a heavy Georgetown lean supposedly by a few who knew him. Can't confirm that but what can be confirmed is that no offer came from Big John who was concentrating on Othella and apparently Duane Spencer. Shaq was a Dale Brown lock since the first time they met in Germany when Shaq was 14. I don't think he really had any plans of coming to the Hoyas was just upset that he didn't get an offer (even if he was an LSU lock) And alot of that other stuff is just motivation. Like Michael Jordan making up fake stuff about LaBradford Smith just to get motivation to beat him. Dale Brown loved telling the story about seeing Shaq when he was a military brat over in Germany, but that didn't make him a lock for LSU. I don't believe Shaq would have waited until his senior year in high school to commit to the program if that was the case. In one of the mainstay annual college bball magazines back in the day there would be this section devoted to recruits, about seven or more pages at the end of the mag. The top 40 or so ranked recruits would get their pictures printed with a decent sized blurb underneath regarding the ability of the players and the schools they were interested in. What stood out for Shaq for me in the year his senior class was profiled was that he specifically listed John Thompson as his favorite head coach. There was no mention of him being a heavy LSU lean. If JT didn't already have Zo, it is possible he would have recruited Shaq the following year. And Dale Brown could have done nothing about it other than throw money Shaq's way. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 6, 2020 6:38:44 GMT -5
Shaq and Zo were in the same NBA draft. What are talking about here? Shaq rightly chose a school where there wasn’t an all American already at C. And we had Dikembe too.
Non issue.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 6, 2020 8:28:18 GMT -5
Often times fit is the most important thing, and Grant Hill probably made the right choice for him in going to a culture at Duke that was more conducive to his upbringing and financial status. Kendall Gill is another example of a rich kid from a rich suburb outside of Chicago (Olympia Fields) around the same time and he just couldn't adapt to the culture at the Charlotte Hornets where he just didn't fit in with Mugsy, Zo and LJ. Ended up crying and suffering depression and was traded away. So, are you saying depression is a form of weakness and a sign of an inability to fit in? This is so stupid that i can’t even believe it’s being said. If Kendall Gill is just a rich kid (as an aside, he went to high school in OF but is not from there - he’s from Matteson which is hardly some super rich enclave) who couldn’t handle a culture (not sure what culture you are describing but is it poor and “tough”?) how did he manage at Illinois with teammates who were mostly from very poor neighborhoods in Chicago? Shouldn’t he have been struggling in college, too? |
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Post by the_way on Sept 6, 2020 10:31:59 GMT -5
Coach Thompson coached players from various backgrounds and from different walks of life. US and international players.
The same goes for people in Coach's inner circle. A diverse group of people.
Inclusivity, equality, sensitivity, speaking truth to power, bringing about real change.....things we still haven't gotten right in this country in 2020.
Coach was doing that starting back in the 1970s with G-town.
He was a trailblazer in so many ways.
And with all that said.
A lot of this couldn't have occurred if he couldn't coach the game of basketball so well. lol
Coach had a large platform to speak because he created that platform by being such a good basketball coach.
He built a superpower. An elite program.
He established a standard of excellence on the court and off the court that still affects the expectation level of the fanbase today. When we talk about what is wrong with our defense with our current regime, not making it to NCAA's, contending for the Big East, marveling at Nova's success, that is a byproduct of the foundation Coach established.
We know we can win. We know we can win doing it the right way. With guys going to class and graduating.
Coach Thompson taught us that it can be done. Above all else, Coach was just that: a teacher.
A teacher of the game basketball. A teacher of this thing we call life.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 6, 2020 10:35:19 GMT -5
Often times fit is the most important thing, and Grant Hill probably made the right choice for him in going to a culture at Duke that was more conducive to his upbringing and financial status. Kendall Gill is another example of a rich kid from a rich suburb outside of Chicago (Olympia Fields) around the same time and he just couldn't adapt to the culture at the Charlotte Hornets where he just didn't fit in with Mugsy, Zo and LJ. Ended up crying and suffering depression and was traded away. So, are you saying depression is a form of weakness and a sign of an inability to fit in? This is so stupid that i can’t even believe it’s being said. If Kendall Gill is just a rich kid (as an aside, he went to high school in OF but is not from there - he’s from Matteson which is hardly some super rich enclave) who couldn’t handle a culture (not sure what culture you are describing but is it poor and “tough”?) how did he manage at Illinois with teammates who were mostly from very poor neighborhoods in Chicago? Shouldn’t he have been struggling in college, too? Agree. Olympia Fields was designed to be a very affluent community but the north and west suburbs won out. An Olympia Fields address is not unequivocal signal of affluence. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 12:10:31 GMT -5
So, are you saying depression is a form of weakness and a sign of an inability to fit in? This is so stupid that i can’t even believe it’s being said. If Kendall Gill is just a rich kid (as an aside, he went to high school in OF but is not from there - he’s from Matteson which is hardly some super rich enclave) who couldn’t handle a culture (not sure what culture you are describing but is it poor and “tough”?) how did he manage at Illinois with teammates who were mostly from very poor neighborhoods in Chicago? Shouldn’t he have been struggling in college, too? Agree. Olympia Fields was designed to be a very affluent community but the north and west suburbs won out. An Olympia Fields address is not unequivocal signal of affluence. Back in the early nineties, I worked with Kendall Gill's cousin. We worked at a bank together for years. He never told me that his cousin was rich, never. Gill didn't grow up with a silver spoon. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 6, 2020 13:31:51 GMT -5
Coach Thompson coached players from various backgrounds and from different walks of life. US and international players. The same goes for people in Coach's inner circle. A diverse group of people. Inclusivity, equality, sensitivity, speaking truth to power, bringing about real change.....things we still haven't gotten right in this country in 2020. Coach was doing that starting back in the 1970s with G-town. He was a trailblazer in so many ways. And with all that said. A lot of this couldn't have occurred if he couldn't coach the game of basketball so well. lol Coach had a large platform to speak because he created that platform by being such a good basketball coach. He built a superpower. An elite program. He established a standard of excellence on the court and off the court that still affects the expectation level of the fanbase today. When we talk about what is wrong with our defense with our current regime, not making it to NCAA's, contending for the Big East, marveling at Nova's success, that is a byproduct of the foundation Coach established. We know we can win. We know we can win doing it the right way. With guys going to class and graduating. Coach Thompson taught us that it can be done. Above all else, Coach was just that: a teacher. A teacher of the game basketball. A teacher of this thing we call life. Coach always said he was an educator, not a coach. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 6, 2020 14:41:35 GMT -5
There were 102 freshman recruits for Thompson from 1972-99, net of inbound transfers, JC's and walk-ons. A majority (54 of the 102) played within an hour of campus. Another eight were from Louisiana. Just 40 recruits in 27 years were from outside one of those two destinations.
Eight of those 40 were within the original Big East footprint:
NY: 6 (M. MacDermott, F. Brown, D. Edwards, R. Gibson, S. Jones, J. Watkins)
MA: 1 (P. Ewing)
NJ: 1 (A. Perry)
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 6, 2020 16:32:09 GMT -5
There were 102 freshman recruits for Thompson from 1972-99, net of inbound transfers, JC's and walk-ons. A majority (54 of the 102) played within an hour of campus. Another eight were from Louisiana. Just 40 recruits in 27 years were from outside one of those two destinations. Eight of those 40 were within the original Big East footprint: NY: 6 (M. MacDermott, F. Brown, D. Edwards, R. Gibson, S. Jones, J. Watkins) MA: 1 (P. Ewing) NJ: 1 (A. Perry) PA: 0 CT: 0 RI: 0 Very interesting. Nice work, DFW. If Nevada produced much better talent I would guess it would easily have beaten out Louisiana for that #2 spot.  |
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