SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 9, 2020 6:28:27 GMT -5
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Eurostar
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Post by Eurostar on Aug 9, 2020 7:00:34 GMT -5
Refs of the Davidson game turning on us in the 2nd half to boost the "Cinderella" is what started it all.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 9, 2020 9:58:33 GMT -5
Did 3 chase TJ over some other recruit? I remember never really thinking we had a real shot at TJ. To me KA is the real miss that changed JT3's future.... I truly feel that getting KA changes that NN outcome... instead of UK cut into his head it would have been GU.... 🤷🏾♂️ I forgot about Kyle Anderson, that was pretty tough miss too.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Aug 9, 2020 14:01:26 GMT -5
Did 3 chase TJ over some other recruit? I remember never really thinking we had a real shot at TJ. To me KA is the real miss that changed JT3's future.... I truly feel that getting KA changes that NN outcome... instead of UK cut into his head it would have been GU.... 🤷🏾♂️ Could you have a few more abbreviations in there?
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 9, 2020 19:54:54 GMT -5
Did 3 chase TJ over some other recruit? I remember never really thinking we had a real shot at TJ. To me KA is the real miss that changed JT3's future.... I truly feel that getting KA changes that NN outcome... instead of UK cut into his head it would have been GU.... 🤷🏾♂️ Could you have a few more abbreviations in there? Did you figure out each one? lol...l often wondered if OP scared off TJ and KA...😁
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Aug 10, 2020 9:14:11 GMT -5
Still pondering KA and NN . . .
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TC
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Post by TC on Aug 10, 2020 10:25:32 GMT -5
Still pondering KA and NN . . . IMHO it really hurt when NN went on ESPN with the UK HC.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 10, 2020 10:40:43 GMT -5
i think what happened we got quiTe a few hoyas who weren't DAWGS AS captain smith says didn't really wanna be hoyas that TEAM first thingy ie work like a dog help your teamates become a hoya band of brothers yup thats my two cents i hope pat's getting those old time gene smith dawgs we will see but looks like most recruits seem to get it and "wanna be a hoya" FAMILIA ITS About MUCH MORE THAN JUST THE BBALL ps look at the hoya mens bball players on the big east all academic team last season some oneheckofahoyas YUP student athletes WE DONT CHEAT just saying go hoyas
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guru
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Post by guru on Aug 11, 2020 12:49:38 GMT -5
People do not like to chalk things up to luck, but I truly do think that Georgetown has had its fair share of bad luck over the years: 2008: A really good team that happened to draw a 10 seed in Davidson that was much better than a 10 seed, AND Georgetown had to essentially play an away game in North Carolina. 2010: Austin Freeman is diagnosed with diabetes. 2011: Georgetown was humming along, 21-6, and then Chris Wright breaks his wrist against Cincinnati, and we never win another game that year. Not only that but we again get killed early in the tournament by a Final Four-bound team. Summer 2011: Moses Ayegba tears his ACL. Fall 2011: Tyler Adams, who very well could have been our big man of the early 2010s, is diagnosed with a cardiac condition that sidelines him forever. 2013: Whittington gets kicked off the team (not necessarily bad luck since it was Whittington's fault, but it's certainly unfortunate). 2014: Josh Smith academically ineligible. Again, it was his fault, but bad fortune too. I realize people like to pile on Smith, but WITHOUT Smith we almost made the tournament that season, and with him, I think we almost certainly do. 2015: Paul White gets injured and doesn't play much that season; Akoy Agau tears his ACL. 2019-2020: McClung and Yurtseven both get injured, plus the other departures. I am sure I am missing other things, but you get the point. As I said, not all of these things are "luck" (though I would say the bad NCAA matchups and injuries largely are), but we've had a run of bad luck over the last decade or so. Sure, some of this can be attributable to coaching staff, players, etc., but ultimately, I think we got a raw deal in some of these instances solely because of bad luck. I mean, how often does any team recruit a top 100 center like Adams and they are sidelined for a medical condition as soon as they step on campus? That said, Adams himself showed you can still turn bad fortune into something great. The "luck" theory is one of the most lame-brained things consistently put forth on this board. The only thing that maybe qualifies on this list is Freeman's diabetes diagnosis. The other things are all things that a good, well-run program overcomes. It's as simple as that.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 11, 2020 13:25:58 GMT -5
People do not like to chalk things up to luck, but I truly do think that Georgetown has had its fair share of bad luck over the years: 2008: A really good team that happened to draw a 10 seed in Davidson that was much better than a 10 seed, AND Georgetown had to essentially play an away game in North Carolina. 2010: Austin Freeman is diagnosed with diabetes. 2011: Georgetown was humming along, 21-6, and then Chris Wright breaks his wrist against Cincinnati, and we never win another game that year. Not only that but we again get killed early in the tournament by a Final Four-bound team. Summer 2011: Moses Ayegba tears his ACL. Fall 2011: Tyler Adams, who very well could have been our big man of the early 2010s, is diagnosed with a cardiac condition that sidelines him forever. 2013: Whittington gets kicked off the team (not necessarily bad luck since it was Whittington's fault, but it's certainly unfortunate). 2014: Josh Smith academically ineligible. Again, it was his fault, but bad fortune too. I realize people like to pile on Smith, but WITHOUT Smith we almost made the tournament that season, and with him, I think we almost certainly do. 2015: Paul White gets injured and doesn't play much that season; Akoy Agau tears his ACL. 2019-2020: McClung and Yurtseven both get injured, plus the other departures. I am sure I am missing other things, but you get the point. As I said, not all of these things are "luck" (though I would say the bad NCAA matchups and injuries largely are), but we've had a run of bad luck over the last decade or so. Sure, some of this can be attributable to coaching staff, players, etc., but ultimately, I think we got a raw deal in some of these instances solely because of bad luck. I mean, how often does any team recruit a top 100 center like Adams and they are sidelined for a medical condition as soon as they step on campus? That said, Adams himself showed you can still turn bad fortune into something great. The "luck" theory is one of the most lame-brained things consistently put forth on this board. The only thing that maybe qualifies on this list is Freeman's diabetes diagnosis. The other things are all things that a good, well-run program overcomes. It's as simple as that. Guru I agree on most of the cases but Austin(as you stated) and Chris. What well run program gets over losing its starting Sr PG with 1mth left in the season? A similiar thing happened to Duke with Kyrie and they also got bounced early in the tourney...🤷🏾♂️ Also last year was really difficult to just get over if you are well run. A team that couldn't afford to lose anyone after the departures, lose its 2 best players. You have to admit that Ewing had the boys playing really well before Yurt and Mac went down....
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DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on Aug 11, 2020 22:21:52 GMT -5
GU - Butler from 2009 on ESPNU right now. Time to do some scouting.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Aug 14, 2020 10:24:30 GMT -5
You know there are all sorts of reasons (excuses?) as to why our bball program has fallen so low. But when I look up the road to Villanova I have to conclude that the major reason is our lack of a Jay Wright. He managed to deal with the rules changes, come up with a style of play that reflected those changes, and recruit guys who fit the mold (and stuck with the program) he created. I don't think it is really all that different than that. Would you agree that had Jay Wright taken over the program instead of JT3 we would not be having this conversation?
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Aug 14, 2020 11:18:51 GMT -5
You know there are all sorts of reasons (excuses?) as to why our bball program has fallen so low. But when I look up the road to Villanova I have to conclude that the major reason is our lack of a Jay Wright. He managed to deal with the rules changes, come up with a style of play that reflected those changes, and recruit guys who fit the mold (and stuck with the program) he created. I don't think it is really all that different than that. Would you agree that had Jay Wright taken over the program instead of JT3 we would not be having this conversation? Jay Wright is a great coach, but one could argue that his style of play benefited from the rule changes as opposed to him coming up with a style of play that reflected the rule changes. He's had a guard oriented system for a while.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 14, 2020 12:01:44 GMT -5
You know there are all sorts of reasons (excuses?) as to why our bball program has fallen so low. But when I look up the road to Villanova I have to conclude that the major reason is our lack of a Jay Wright. He managed to deal with the rules changes, come up with a style of play that reflected those changes, and recruit guys who fit the mold (and stuck with the program) he created. I don't think it is really all that different than that. Would you agree that had Jay Wright taken over the program instead of JT3 we would not be having this conversation? Lol. He didn't pull a rabbit out of his hat. He was already playing that style and the freedom of movement rules changes fell into his lap and just happened to benefit his system the most out of any team in the nation.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 14, 2020 14:00:21 GMT -5
You know there are all sorts of reasons (excuses?) as to why our bball program has fallen so low. But when I look up the road to Villanova I have to conclude that the major reason is our lack of a Jay Wright. He managed to deal with the rules changes, come up with a style of play that reflected those changes, and recruit guys who fit the mold (and stuck with the program) he created. I don't think it is really all that different than that. Would you agree that had Jay Wright taken over the program instead of JT3 we would not be having this conversation? Lol. He didn't pull a rabbit out of his hat. He was already playing that style and the freedom of movement rules changes fell into his lap and just happened to benefit his system the most out of any team in the nation. Lol. It’s like Wright has some secret recipe. Years of stubbornness have set the program back to where we are.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 14, 2020 19:43:45 GMT -5
You know there are all sorts of reasons (excuses?) as to why our bball program has fallen so low. But when I look up the road to Villanova I have to conclude that the major reason is our lack of a Jay Wright. He managed to deal with the rules changes, come up with a style of play that reflected those changes, and recruit guys who fit the mold (and stuck with the program) he created. I don't think it is really all that different than that. Would you agree that had Jay Wright taken over the program instead of JT3 we would not be having this conversation? Lol. He didn't pull a rabbit out of his hat. He was already playing that style and the freedom of movement rules changes fell into his lap and just happened to benefit his system the most out of any team in the nation. I wonder what Scottie Reynolds is up to these days.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Aug 14, 2020 20:51:53 GMT -5
Lol. He didn't pull a rabbit out of his hat. He was already playing that style and the freedom of movement rules changes fell into his lap and just happened to benefit his system the most out of any team in the nation. I wonder what Scottie Reynolds is up to these days. Getting ready for his senior year this season at Villanova.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Aug 17, 2020 11:19:15 GMT -5
Lol. He didn't pull a rabbit out of his hat. He was already playing that style and the freedom of movement rules changes fell into his lap and just happened to benefit his system the most out of any team in the nation. I wonder what Scottie Reynolds is up to these days. I agree that the rules changes helped Wright and Nova. But you can't look at that program and see a "something" that we are missing. The ability to keep guys for 4 years and let them develop. Recruiting guys who for whatever reason buy into the Nova system and philosophy. Avoiding head cases. Plus an obviously very talented X's and O's coach.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 19, 2020 12:37:36 GMT -5
I wonder what Scottie Reynolds is up to these days. I agree that the rules changes helped Wright and Nova. But you can't look at that program and see a "something" that we are missing. The ability to keep guys for 4 years and let them develop. Recruiting guys who for whatever reason buy into the Nova system and philosophy. Avoiding head cases. Plus an obviously very talented X's and O's coach. Comparing Villanova 2020 to Georgetown is a fruitless endeavor. Since 2014, Wright has won 6 regular season championships, the BET four times, made the tournament every year, and has two championships. Of course, Wright is an excellent coach, but you simply cannot compare Villanova in the last couple of years to Georgetown, without accounting for the fact that when you win national championships, it becomes a lot easier to keep that success and momentum going. It's notable that if you went back to say, 2009, Jay Wright and Georgetown were similarly positioned. Both had a recent Final Four, but neither was dominant (Villanova did have more NCAA success, but seeding-wise we were similar, if not better). But, Villanova zoomed into stratosphere and we declined.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Aug 19, 2020 21:10:06 GMT -5
I agree that the rules changes helped Wright and Nova. But you can't look at that program and see a "something" that we are missing. The ability to keep guys for 4 years and let them develop. Recruiting guys who for whatever reason buy into the Nova system and philosophy. Avoiding head cases. Plus an obviously very talented X's and O's coach. Comparing Villanova 2020 to Georgetown is a fruitless endeavor. Since 2014, Wright has won 6 regular season championships, the BET four times, made the tournament every year, and has two championships. Of course, Wright is an excellent coach, but you simply cannot compare Villanova in the last couple of years to Georgetown, without accounting for the fact that when you win national championships, it becomes a lot easier to keep that success and momentum going. It's notable that if you went back to say, 2009, Jay Wright and Georgetown were similarly positioned. Both had a recent Final Four, but neither was dominant (Villanova did have more NCAA success, but seeding-wise we were similar, if not better). But, Villanova zoomed into stratosphere and we declined. You miss my point. Obviously you can't compare where we and Nova are today. I'm saying that we have to figure out what got Nova here and what is it about Wright and his system that we should be emulating.
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