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Post by wrestlemania on Aug 3, 2020 16:11:04 GMT -5
So can the decline be traced to a single event or series of events/choices, or was it an inevitable downward trend given the way the school runs the program and how college hoops has changed down the years?
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Post by bornhoya on Aug 3, 2020 16:26:45 GMT -5
Josh Hart
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 3, 2020 16:32:47 GMT -5
Losing to Davidson, Ohio, and FGCU Chris Wright and Austin Freeman not making the league Rule changes Otto leaving early and Whit not being there De-emphasis of the importance of a traditional big
It was a fall of many cuts
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Post by wponds on Aug 3, 2020 17:09:34 GMT -5
It was a downward trend, but most importantly to me, it was a mix of not getting josh hart and that the people we got instead of him didn’t produce
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Post by prhoya on Aug 3, 2020 17:12:49 GMT -5
DFW, or someone else, do you know the dates when JT2 (from the 1980's until his last contract) and JT3 signed their contract extensions, i.e. not the original contract, but the others? I remember JT2 using NBA rumors to negotiate a new contract. Was it around the time of Alonzo's signature?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:38:15 GMT -5
No guarantee Josh Hart develops in Gtown's system like he did in Nova's and we landed LJ Peak the following season. To me, it's the inability to recruit a quality pg that doomed 3 and put us in a hole.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 3, 2020 17:45:38 GMT -5
The lack of development from the 2014 class set the program back as much as anything...
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 3, 2020 18:00:32 GMT -5
Lots of things contributed to JT3's decline. Too bad because he was looking so good in his early years at GU. But that is in the past.
When Patrick arrived, he had to scramble just to get some kind of team on the floor. Year two he was starting to get it together and had a very respectable 9-9 Big East season. Year three the wheels came off, but still the team fought on very successfully - played the best team ball and best D of the Ewing era... until the team's two leading scorers went down to injuries. Was 2018/19 Pat's fault? Well they say "the buck stops here" and it happened on his watch so... In my view, Pat only gets partial "blame". I believe he learned a lot from that and is fighting back to re-build his roster, team and program even better. The coaching he did on the floor last season despite all the roster losses was top notch. The strength of character he displayed for his team? The "never stop fighting"? I saw a great coaching performance by a very determined, smart, experienced professional basketball coach. In my view, the team is going to do quite well over the coming 2-3 years as soon as we -- as a nation -- recover from Covid. It's a great time to be a HOYA!
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Post by daveg023 on Aug 3, 2020 18:38:17 GMT -5
The rule changes and the ability or inability to adapt singlehandedly changed the course of history in the new Big East.
Simply put, we failed to adapt and we have become a conference bottom feeder by any objective measure, while Jay Wright and Villanova used the changes to their advantage and now have won 5 of 6 conference titles and 2 National Championships to boot.
The other biggest factor (and not unrelated to our inability to play a modern style) was the way our 2014 class panned out. That class was as highly rated as any class we’ve ever had (8th nationally, 4 Top 100 kids) and it seemed like another BE title would soon follow. Many of us remember the 20 point home win against then #4 Nova that season, and it seemed like the sky was the ceiling. We never got back to that level the rest of the year, and the subsequent five seasons obviously go without saying.
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Post by wponds on Aug 3, 2020 19:07:06 GMT -5
The lack of development from the 2014 class set the program back as much as anything... Great point. After their freshman year, I never would've predicted the rest would go down like it did
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 3, 2020 19:52:24 GMT -5
So can the decline be traced to a single event or series of events/choices, or was it an inevitable downward trend given the way the school runs the program and how college hoops has changed down the years? I don't think contact tracing is possible at this point.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 3, 2020 20:09:12 GMT -5
So can the decline be traced to a single event or series of events/choices, or was it an inevitable downward trend given the way the school runs the program and how college hoops has changed down the years? I don't think contact tracing is possible at this point. We have a winner!🏆
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Post by bornhoya on Aug 3, 2020 22:55:24 GMT -5
No guarantee Josh Hart develops in Gtown's system like he did in Nova's and we landed LJ Peak the following season. To me, it's the inability to recruit a quality pg that doomed 3 and put us in a hole. Maybe maybe not but he plays with that dog in him And plus it would have slowed the dmv to nova train
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Post by ewingitrust on Aug 3, 2020 23:11:55 GMT -5
I think Derrickson leaving caught everyone off-guard. But I'm looking forward, not backwards. This post brings up old-wounds lol.
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Post by NCHoya on Aug 4, 2020 7:09:51 GMT -5
The inability to adapt and evolve with the game. As the game placed more emphasis on guard play, the 3 pt shot and an open style of play; GU remained committed to its old playbook. Georgetown had always been physical on defense and front court dominated on offense, that simply does not work anymore in college or the NBA. Like so many other things at GU, old habits die hard and hold us back from moving forward.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 4, 2020 7:49:40 GMT -5
No guarantee Josh Hart develops in Gtown's system like he did in Nova's and we landed LJ Peak the following season. To me, it's the inability to recruit a quality pg that doomed 3 and put us in a hole. I hear ya. We don’t win a championship with Hart...but he would have been a four year stud for us that wouldn’t let us lose. To me, it was josh hart as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 8:11:06 GMT -5
No guarantee Josh Hart develops in Gtown's system like he did in Nova's and we landed LJ Peak the following season. To me, it's the inability to recruit a quality pg that doomed 3 and put us in a hole. I hear ya. We don’t win a championship with Hart...but he would have been a four year stud for us that wouldn’t let us lose. To me, it was josh hart as well. Don't you think if you add a quality pg to a team with LJ, Rodney Pryor, Jessie, Marcus, and Akoy that team likely makes the tournament? Heck, maybe Copeland doesn't transfer midseason. The difference between how he looked when he could play off others vs how he looked trying to create for himself was night and day imo.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 4, 2020 10:19:00 GMT -5
I hear ya. We don’t win a championship with Hart...but he would have been a four year stud for us that wouldn’t let us lose. To me, it was josh hart as well. Don't you think if you add a quality pg to a team with LJ, Rodney Pryor, Jessie, Marcus, and Akoy that team likely makes the tournament? Heck, maybe Copeland doesn't transfer midseason. The difference between how he looked when he could play off others vs how he looked trying to create for himself was night and day imo.
That part was glaring and can't be overstated.
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 4, 2020 12:58:27 GMT -5
For me it was the 3 major upsets. Ohio, VCU and FGCU. I don't count Davidson as a factor in the downfall because that was a all-time great player doing great things. The Ohio, VCU and FGCU are unacceptable. Especially Ohio and FGCU. At least VCU had beaten someone before us and continued to beat people all the way to the FF... I also add in incredibly bad luck. Playing Davidson in NC, Austin getting sick, Chris getting injured and Cuse getting hot and beating us in the BE tourney when Otto and the boys had dominated them the 1st two games...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 14:49:16 GMT -5
So can the decline be traced to a single event or series of events/choices, or was it an inevitable downward trend given the way the school runs the program and how college hoops has changed down the years? Asking Grant Hill to read out loud.
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