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Post by aristides on Jul 21, 2020 22:40:49 GMT -5
Thrilled for this addition. Welcome Mr. Carey! Gives me hope for the upcoming season. I know it’s still going to be a tough year but now I feel like they have a chance if a couple of players really exceed expectations. I’m excited again 😎
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Post by tashoya on Jul 21, 2020 23:16:45 GMT -5
Thrilled for this addition. Welcome Mr. Carey! Gives me hope for the upcoming season. I know it’s still going to be a tough year but now I feel like they have a chance if a couple of players really exceed expectations. I’m excited again 😎 This is going to come off callous but I don't mean it that way. With Covid-19 ravaging the country and the upcoming season/year (at a minimum) in serious doubt, there are going to be a lot of college students across the country considering putting off school for a year. That includes college students that are also high-level ballplayers. With the uncertainty, being close to home next year seems like a reasonable/attractive choice. Considering all of the talented guys that left the DMV to attend schools around the country, there may be an opportunity to get some local kids to come back home and play locally. I'm hoping that my doom and gloom outlook turns out to be misguided. I love CBB but not nearly as much as I love reports of the spread decreasing and death tolls plummeting. I'm only saying that there may be some kids that will want to be closer to home and that Georgetown should prepare for that. That isn't exclusive to the basketball program. We're clearly entering a new version of normal. IMO, students that can be flexible and, even, commute will be even more attractive to all schools at this point as dorms and frat/sorority houses are particularly problematic. Maybe a silver lining will be tighter bonds between communities and local colleges and universities. And, yes, I feel bad about myself for having the thought in the first place. But, in my defense, my best friend's daughter graduated HS this year and had her heart set on attending a school 2 hours by plane from home because she wanted to break out on her own. Sadly, the pandemic has caused her to change her plans and attend school about 15 minutes from her childhood home. Silver lining in her particular case is that the school 15 minutes from her childhood home is, arguably, a better school for her intended course of study/major. That's how I started thinking about it. But, yeah, I still don't feel good about it as it seems opportunistic and lacking in humanity. But, objectively, I think it has a bit of merit.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jul 22, 2020 2:29:32 GMT -5
Thrilled for this addition. Welcome Mr. Carey! Gives me hope for the upcoming season. I know it’s still going to be a tough year but now I feel like they have a chance if a couple of players really exceed expectations. I’m excited again 😎 This is going to come off callous but I don't mean it that way. With Covid-19 ravaging the country and the upcoming season/year (at a minimum) in serious doubt, there are going to be a lot of college students across the country considering putting off school for a year. That includes college students that are also high-level ballplayers. With the uncertainty, being close to home next year seems like a reasonable/attractive choice. Considering all of the talented guys that left the DMV to attend schools around the country, there may be an opportunity to get some local kids to come back home and play locally. I'm hoping that my doom and gloom outlook turns out to be misguided. I love CBB but not nearly as much as I love reports of the spread decreasing and death tolls plummeting. I'm only saying that there may be some kids that will want to be closer to home and that Georgetown should prepare for that. That isn't exclusive to the basketball program. We're clearly entering a new version of normal. IMO, students that can be flexible and, even, commute will be even more attractive to all schools at this point as dorms and frat/sorority houses are particularly problematic. Maybe a silver lining will be tighter bonds between communities and local colleges and universities. And, yes, I feel bad about myself for having the thought in the first place. But, in my defense, my best friend's daughter graduated HS this year and had her heart set on attending a school 2 hours by plane from home because she wanted to break out on her own. Sadly, the pandemic has caused her to change her plans and attend school about 15 minutes from her childhood home. Silver lining in her particular case is that the school 15 minutes from her childhood home is, arguably, a better school for her intended course of study/major. That's how I started thinking about it. But, yeah, I still don't feel good about it as it seems opportunistic and lacking in humanity. But, objectively, I think it has a bit of merit. I think you are spot on -- I think there thousands of individual decisions that are going to have to be made on this, both for athletes and the general student population -- and I could see tremendous flux from now until November. I don't see your thinking as callous at all, it's just reality right now.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 22, 2020 5:41:56 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 22, 2020 7:15:58 GMT -5
I like this addition. From what I understand has a solid character and good leadership qualities. We will have much better team chemistry this year.
From a b-ball perspective....can score from all three levels, is very fluid offensively, and a better passer than anyone we had on the roster last year but for Allen.
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 22, 2020 10:23:48 GMT -5
Not sure landing a grad transfer who is from the DMV is the same thing as getting a local HS recruit. Landing a local HS recruit helps to build inroads/relationships at the player's HS and/or AAU team, as well as build the perception that we are a legitimate factor for future DMV recruits at the HS level. Those are things that need to happen for us to say we've improved our local recruiting. Landing a grad transfer who's been away from the DMV for a year (or in Carey's case, two years) but is simply actively looking for a way to come home while finishing out his career doesn't really accomplish any of the above. Maybe bringing in a Terrell Allen played a small role in convincing someone like Carey to give Georgetown a shot, but neither moves the needle for where we want to be in terms of strengthening our local recruiting. Landing impact HS players is only way to effectively do that. I strongly disagree. When a player from a local program goes to Georgetown and does well, it plays well with HS coaches and AAU coaches. Further, these players maintain relationships with others from their hometowns, including players a year or two younger than they are. Additionally, we see that someone who is away comes home to play (i.e., the grass isn't always greener away from home). All of these things play into local perceptions ("Georgetown? Yeah, my buddy, Don, went there a couple of years ago and loved it" or "I know a guy, Don, who is over there right now, and he says it's awesome - you should check it out"). Not really. He's just a body. It takes a player with a higher profile player to come in and succeed to sway local perceptions. He'll come in, be a marginal role player on a struggling team and not change anyone's opinions. This doesn't even register on the radar for local power brokers.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 22, 2020 11:42:37 GMT -5
What number will Don take this year since Blair has 0 on lock. He teased 2 in his intro video. I wouldn't mind another 5, have we had a guard in the 5 uniform since Chris Wright?
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Post by s4hoyas on Jul 22, 2020 11:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah...we should all live our lives in trembling fear of these local power brokers...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 22, 2020 12:14:35 GMT -5
Carey has ever been all that efficient a player (O rating 99.3 last year, 91.7 in 2018 at Mount St. Marys)), but he shot threes pretty well last year, at 38.2%. His performance on twos drove his efficiency down (43.7%). He is a very good free throw shooter at, 82.4%. His turnover rate was 23.2, which could stand to improve, but not crazy high.
If Carey can play solid defense, shoot threes at 38% or better, and perhaps tone it down a bit on volume on the twos, he will be much more efficient and a good solid addition to the team. It's nice that we will have him for two years.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 22, 2020 12:23:43 GMT -5
Carey has ever been all that efficient a player (O rating 99.3 last year, 91.7 in 2018 at Mount St. Marys)), but he shot threes pretty well last year, at 38.2%. His performance on twos drove his efficiency down (43.7%). He is a very good free throw shooter at, 82.4%. His turnover rate was 23.2, which could stand to improve, but not crazy high. If Carey can play solid defense, shoot threes at 38% or better, and perhaps tone it down a bit on volume on the twos, he will be much more efficient and a good solid addition to the team. It's nice that we will have him for two years. Will he be here after one year? He’s moved after one year at both of his previous colleges and he would be immediately available. (ducks...)
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Post by TC on Jul 22, 2020 12:47:02 GMT -5
Carey has ever been all that efficient a player (O rating 99.3 last year, 91.7 in 2018 at Mount St. Marys)), but he shot threes pretty well last year, at 38.2%. His performance on twos drove his efficiency down (43.7%). He is a very good free throw shooter at, 82.4%. His turnover rate was 23.2, which could stand to improve, but not crazy high. If Carey can play solid defense, shoot threes at 38% or better, and perhaps tone it down a bit on volume on the twos, he will be much more efficient and a good solid addition to the team. It's nice that we will have him for two years. Will he be here after one year? He’s moved after one year at both of his previous colleges and he would be immediately available. (ducks...) I was kind of wondering about that too because he's a grad transfer, and has two years of eligibility - I'm not saying he would, but can he unrestricted transfer out twice due to his grad transfer status?
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 22, 2020 12:47:45 GMT -5
Carey has ever been all that efficient a player (O rating 99.3 last year, 91.7 in 2018 at Mount St. Marys)), but he shot threes pretty well last year, at 38.2%. His performance on twos drove his efficiency down (43.7%). He is a very good free throw shooter at, 82.4%. His turnover rate was 23.2, which could stand to improve, but not crazy high. If Carey can play solid defense, shoot threes at 38% or better, and perhaps tone it down a bit on volume on the twos, he will be much more efficient and a good solid addition to the team. It's nice that we will have him for two years. Will he be here after one year? He’s moved after one year at both of his previous colleges and he would be immediately available. (ducks...) You should duck.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 22, 2020 12:48:58 GMT -5
What number will Don take this year since Blair has 0 on lock. He teased 2 in his intro video. I wouldn't mind another 5, have we had a guard in the 5 uniform since Chris Wright? #5 is taken. Back in John Thompson's day, you got the jersey he gave you, no questions. The jersey numbers matched the size of the garment (smaller guards started at 10, up to center sizes in the 50's.). A 6-5 guard would probably get #25 or #30.
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Post by mdtd on Jul 22, 2020 12:59:29 GMT -5
Carey has ever been all that efficient a player (O rating 99.3 last year, 91.7 in 2018 at Mount St. Marys)), but he shot threes pretty well last year, at 38.2%. His performance on twos drove his efficiency down (43.7%). He is a very good free throw shooter at, 82.4%. His turnover rate was 23.2, which could stand to improve, but not crazy high. If Carey can play solid defense, shoot threes at 38% or better, and perhaps tone it down a bit on volume on the twos, he will be much more efficient and a good solid addition to the team. It's nice that we will have him for two years. Will he be here after one year? He’s moved after one year at both of his previous colleges and he would be immediately available. (ducks...) Generally, my thought is if you can become an immediately eligible transfer, you have to plan for that player to move on as a coach. That being said, I think if Carey starts on this team and there is a clear path to success for 20-21, with him being closer to home and playing a solid role, I think he stays. I think (and hope) he stays for both years.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jul 22, 2020 13:24:18 GMT -5
I strongly disagree. When a player from a local program goes to Georgetown and does well, it plays well with HS coaches and AAU coaches. Further, these players maintain relationships with others from their hometowns, including players a year or two younger than they are. Additionally, we see that someone who is away comes home to play (i.e., the grass isn't always greener away from home). All of these things play into local perceptions ("Georgetown? Yeah, my buddy, Don, went there a couple of years ago and loved it" or "I know a guy, Don, who is over there right now, and he says it's awesome - you should check it out"). Not really. He's just a body. It takes a player with a higher profile player to come in and succeed to sway local perceptions. He'll come in, be a marginal role player on a struggling team and not change anyone's opinions. This doesn't even register on the radar for local power brokers. I think he's slightly better than just a body and might be better than a marginal role player (i.e. I could see him starting and contributing), but he's certainly not the high profile/impact player that checks the box to accomplish the rest of your post, which I agree with. I'll use Terrell Allen again as an example. Allen was a solid contributor and provided leadership. But did he significantly move the needle in terms of improving perception of local recruits with his DC ties? No. And I wouldn't expect the same from Carey either. That all being said, I also agree with Newyorkalawya that you need to start somewhere.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 22, 2020 14:04:17 GMT -5
I think too much is being put into getting local guys or the recruiting profile at the moment. If Carey helps us win games...that’s all that matters. Ultimately that will help recruiting more than anything.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 22, 2020 14:17:17 GMT -5
What number will Don take this year since Blair has 0 on lock. He teased 2 in his intro video. I wouldn't mind another 5, have we had a guard in the 5 uniform since Chris Wright? Am I getting really feeble or didn’t Wright wear number 4? Starks wore 5 I think.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 22, 2020 14:18:34 GMT -5
What number will Don take this year since Blair has 0 on lock. He teased 2 in his intro video. I wouldn't mind another 5, have we had a guard in the 5 uniform since Chris Wright? Am I getting really feeble or didn’t Wright wear number 4? Starks wore 5 I think. Gosh you're right. Between that and forgetting timmy I is wearing 5, I must be losing it.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 22, 2020 14:23:40 GMT -5
Am I getting really feeble or didn’t Wright wear number 4? Starks wore 5 I think. Gosh you're right. Between that and forgetting timmy I is wearing 5, I must be losing it. Between heat and quarantine, who isn’t?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 22, 2020 14:50:44 GMT -5
Carey has ever been all that efficient a player (O rating 99.3 last year, 91.7 in 2018 at Mount St. Marys)), but he shot threes pretty well last year, at 38.2%. His performance on twos drove his efficiency down (43.7%). He is a very good free throw shooter at, 82.4%. His turnover rate was 23.2, which could stand to improve, but not crazy high. If Carey can play solid defense, shoot threes at 38% or better, and perhaps tone it down a bit on volume on the twos, he will be much more efficient and a good solid addition to the team. It's nice that we will have him for two years. Will he be here after one year? He’s moved after one year at both of his previous colleges and he would be immediately available. (ducks...) To be fair, both of his transfers make more sense to me than many other players that transfer. Carey started at MSM with Jamion Christian. After his freshman year, Christian left for Siena and Carey followed him. However, after Carey’s sit out year Christian left Siena for GWU. I’m assuming Carey stayed at Siena in order to not have to sit out another year from another transfer with no assurance of a waiver, but he was playing for a coach that didn’t recruit him and that recruited a point guard that forced Carey into a different role. So with the option to graduate, move up a level in competition, and also come back to the DC area, I can definitely understand the appeal of this transfer. I think a lot would have to go wrong this season (in terms of his role on the team or his relationship with the coaches/players) for him to consider transferring again.
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