iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 13, 2022 14:40:35 GMT -5
Why would PE have taken his captaincy away from him? The new Thompson/Ewing-first narrative is that Don wasn't good enough to start on next year's team due to all the great talent on the roster. I’m not sure if my recent attempts to contest some of the more ridiculous “blame Pat for absolutely everything” narratives have put me in the perceived Thompson/Ewing camp—maybe not—but I’m thinking we read the same comments. The firm narrative here from those who are not reaching to blame Pat for everything is that “we assumed he was leaving, so Godspeed,” with “the new talent on the roster may, and hopefully will, mitigate his loss.” I do recall one poster, perhaps two, questioning whether he was “good enough,” so I guess that becomes official.
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on May 13, 2022 14:45:16 GMT -5
Wonder if Don will start for Maryland? I think he has a chance but not a lock.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on May 13, 2022 14:51:28 GMT -5
As some posters say when a former player is no longer a Hoya via transfer “He’s dead to me” not in a bad way physically but more like mentally. Bye bye Don Carey!
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 13, 2022 14:55:12 GMT -5
Carey needs to play abroad next year for money. He’s not getting younger and may play less next year at UMD.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on May 13, 2022 15:59:47 GMT -5
The new Thompson/Ewing-first narrative is that Don wasn't good enough to start on next year's team due to all the great talent on the roster. Our upgraded roster of talented athletes will be the narrative throughout the offseason and through the early season cupcake schedule. Then, when we start losing to real teams, it won't be Ewing's fault through poor coaching, but the narrative will shift to our talent just wasn't good enough. Sprinkle in some injuries and losses due to COVID outbreaks. Rinse and repeat so Ewing can continue collecting his undeserved salary and bury our program further... Not true. He’s good enough to start but he’s not a leader. Can’t take over a game in crunch time (cause limited athletically and doesn’t have the handles or explosiveness to create his won shot) and lead by example and isn’t a vocal leader either. But you already know that full well and just aren’t mentioning it. Weren't you praising the team for playing hard despite the losing streak? If so wouldn't the team captain deserve some of the credit for how hard the team played?
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Post by guru on May 13, 2022 16:56:22 GMT -5
We went 0-20 in the league last season. It was a massively flawed roster (not the players fault, obviously). I’d rather we have gotten a new head coach, but I’m certainly not going to moan and wail about losing *any* of the players from that group. An entirely new starting 5 would be good by me. Anyway, I wish Don well - seems like a good man.
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Post by biggmanu on May 13, 2022 19:36:53 GMT -5
This is a perfect example of how I don’t understand anything about college basketball anymore
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Post by kghoya on May 13, 2022 20:05:48 GMT -5
It would make more sense to me if he was going to a place that was expected to make the tournament. That's not Maryland in 23. Maybe they offer a degree he wants? Just seems like he should be moving on to get paid for a few years.
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Post by prhoya on May 13, 2022 20:37:50 GMT -5
Sad to see him leave and we will miss his leadership, his 14 ppg, his sharpshooting from 3, his FT% and his improving overall game… yet another season Pat loses his best player (with eligibility)… that said, he’s DTM…
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 13, 2022 21:31:07 GMT -5
It would make more sense to me if he was going to a place that was expected to make the tournament. That's not Maryland in 23. Maybe they offer a degree he wants? Just seems like he should be moving on to get paid for a few years. It’s not that hard to figure. He’s 20 miles from Upper Marlboro, has already shown a clear penchant for moving around, and wants to try something different after two grad years playing at G’town, which is longer than his other stops. He said his good-byes in a very respectful manner. The “getting paid” part is where speculation comes in, but I’m guessing the offers, if there were some, weren’t to his liking. All the best to him.
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Post by kghoya on May 13, 2022 21:35:30 GMT -5
It would make more sense to me if he was going to a place that was expected to make the tournament. That's not Maryland in 23. Maybe they offer a degree he wants? Just seems like he should be moving on to get paid for a few years. It’s not that hard to figure. He’s 20 miles from Upper Marlboro, has already shown a clear penchant for moving around, and wants to try something different after two grad years playing at G’town, which is longer than his other stops. He said his good-byes in a very respectful manner. The “getting paid” part is where speculation comes in, but I’m guessing the offers, if there were some, weren’t to his liking. All the best to him. Moving around or moving up?
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Post by hoyaguy on May 13, 2022 23:26:46 GMT -5
It would make more sense to me if he was going to a place that was expected to make the tournament. That's not Maryland in 23. Maybe they offer a degree he wants? Just seems like he should be moving on to get paid for a few years. It’s not that hard to figure. He’s 20 miles from Upper Marlboro, has already shown a clear penchant for moving around, and wants to try something different after two grad years playing at G’town, which is longer than his other stops. He said his good-byes in a very respectful manner. The “getting paid” part is where speculation comes in, but I’m guessing the offers, if there were some, weren’t to his liking. All the best to him. Yeah I am not tied into European basketball but I can see some of them still hurting after the pandemic and if UMD has something to give him then fair enough
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Post by tashoya on May 14, 2022 0:15:29 GMT -5
No offense, but, we didn't lose Allen Iverson. And, he's not going to a particularly good team. Even so, he'll probably have a lesser role than he did at Georgetown. Regardless, he found a place he felt better suited him. Good luck to Don. He'll be missed.
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Post by Elvado on May 14, 2022 5:37:43 GMT -5
No offense, but, we didn't lose Allen Iverson. And, he's not going to a particularly good team. Even so, he'll probably have a lesser role than he did at Georgetown. Regardless, he found a place he felt better suited him. Good luck to Don. He'll be missed. We were 0-20. Is anyone irreplaceable?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 7:23:17 GMT -5
Don is a class act. Allows him to stay in the area, get payed nil, and take on a complementary role. We avoided the awkward situation of having to take the captaincy role away from last years 0-22 starting QB. I know this was an unintentional slip, but “get paid nil” (as in “nothing”) made me realize I don’t understand (capital) NIL at all if Don Carey’s getting money. On the one hand, dude seems like he could be a good spokesperson for something, but it’s not like he has even tens of thousands of social media followers. Maybe Under Armor Kevin is just slipping players a few hundred a week.
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Post by EtomicB on May 14, 2022 8:59:14 GMT -5
No offense, but, we didn't lose Allen Iverson. And, he's not going to a particularly good team. Even so, he'll probably have a lesser role than he did at Georgetown. Regardless, he found a place he felt better suited him. Good luck to Don. He'll be missed. Of course he isn’t Iverson but he was the best all around player on the team and far & away the most unselfish offensively.. Who’s the ball mover on next years team? I don’t see any natural ball movers on the roster right now… To me this is a problem for a coach who’s system doesn’t rely on player movement
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Post by TC on May 14, 2022 9:40:06 GMT -5
Don is a class act. Allows him to stay in the area, get payed nil, and take on a complementary role. We avoided the awkward situation of having to take the captaincy role away from last years 0-22 starting QB. I know this was an unintentional slip, but “get paid nil” (as in “nothing”) made me realize I don’t understand (capital) NIL at all if Don Carey’s getting money. On the one hand, dude seems like he could be a good spokesperson for something, but it’s not like he has even tens of thousands of social media followers. Maybe Under Armor Kevin is just slipping players a few hundred a week. After what we've done this offseason (hire $.05berry from LSU, successfully recruit Murray within a week, try to bring in Brooks, not bring him in when he fails to deliver Ward, offer Ward $200K in NIL before he signed, etc), it's bizarre to me that people keep making the "maybe the difference here is that X team is paying players under the table and cheating and we are not" argument. It's absurd - whatever other teams are doing, we're trying to do it too. UMD is in a better conference, they have a better coach, and organizationally, they care about winning and showed it in their administration's actions last year. Georgetown doesn't care and they demonstrated that clearly last year as well. That's the difference here.
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Post by 95hoya on May 14, 2022 10:03:23 GMT -5
Amen. Winning culture, stability, leadership, whatever traits winning programs have, we have none of them. Every other situation looks great in comparison.
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Post by miracles87 on May 14, 2022 10:14:24 GMT -5
Amen. Winning culture, stability, leadership, whatever traits winning programs have, we have none of them. Every other situation looks great in comparison. You know you can change your diaper, right?
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on May 14, 2022 10:40:22 GMT -5
I know this was an unintentional slip, but “get paid nil” (as in “nothing”) made me realize I don’t understand (capital) NIL at all if Don Carey’s getting money. On the one hand, dude seems like he could be a good spokesperson for something, but it’s not like he has even tens of thousands of social media followers. Maybe Under Armor Kevin is just slipping players a few hundred a week. After what we've done this offseason (hire $.05berry from LSU, successfully recruit Murray within a week, try to bring in Brooks, not bring him in when he fails to deliver Ward, offer Ward $200K in NIL before he signed, etc), it's bizarre to me that people keep making the "maybe the difference here is that X team is paying players under the table and cheating and we are not" argument. It's absurd - whatever other teams are doing, we're trying to do it too. UMD is in a better conference, they have a better coach, and organizationally, they care about winning and showed it in their administration's actions last year. Georgetown doesn't care and they demonstrated that clearly last year as well. That's the difference here. Not disagreeing with all of this, but I don't buy the hype that Big 10 basketball > Big East basketball.
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