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Post by DFW HOYA on May 19, 2020 15:47:34 GMT -5
Latest numbers for the 2018-19 teams. 930 (equivalent to a 50% grad rate) is the cutoff before any penalties start:
Men's Basketball Creighton University NE 2018-2019 966
Men's Basketball University of Connecticut CT 2018-2019 990
Men's Basketball Creighton University NE 2018-2019 966
Men's Basketball DePaul University IL 2018-2019 968
Men's Basketball Georgetown University DC 2018-2019 950
Men's Basketball Marquette University WI 2018-2019 968
Men's Basketball Providence College RI 2018-2019 984
Men's Basketball Seton Hall University NJ 2018-2019 985
Men's Basketball St. John's University NY 2018-2019 954
Men's Basketball Villanova University PA 2018-2019 1000
Men's Basketball Xavier University OH 2018-2019 967www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/stephen-f-austin-among-four-division-i-programs-hit-with-ncaa-tournament-bans-for-poor-apr-scores/web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/aprsearch |
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Post by Elvado on May 19, 2020 15:49:52 GMT -5
Nice.
Dead last.
Are we doing anything well?
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Post by hoya9797 on May 19, 2020 16:18:32 GMT -5
Latest numbers for the 2018-19 teams. 930 (equivalent to a 50% grad rate) is the cutoff before any penalties start:
Men's Basketball Creighton University NE 2018-2019 966
Men's Basketball University of Connecticut CT 2018-2019 990
Men's Basketball Creighton University NE 2018-2019 966
Men's Basketball DePaul University IL 2018-2019 968
Men's Basketball Georgetown University DC 2018-2019 950
Men's Basketball Marquette University WI 2018-2019 968
Men's Basketball Providence College RI 2018-2019 984
Men's Basketball Seton Hall University NJ 2018-2019 985
Men's Basketball St. John's University NY 2018-2019 954
Men's Basketball Villanova University PA 2018-2019 1000
Men's Basketball Xavier University OH 2018-2019 967www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/stephen-f-austin-among-four-division-i-programs-hit-with-ncaa-tournament-bans-for-poor-apr-scores/web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/aprsearchAre we getting dinged for having ten million transfers? I think staying in school is part of the formula and losing a guy means losing a point if he leaves while in good standing. But, I'm not exactly sure how this works. |
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Post by reformation on May 19, 2020 16:21:45 GMT -5
Definitely at near bottom for any reasonable peer comparison inside/outside BE. Duke's isn't that great either(better than ours) but is obviously mitigated by the partial cause of their low score being all the round 1 ncaa picks. Obviously reality is more complex than a simple flawed measurable but one one think that the univ would do better if at least occasionally paid attention to objective measurables,
One of my smarter colleagues is fond of saying" all models are wrong, but some are useful".
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Post by EtomicB on May 19, 2020 16:38:00 GMT -5
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Post by vv83 on May 19, 2020 16:58:39 GMT -5
Then we are probably in a risky position given the 5 transfers in 2019-20. I would assume those are not considered as part of the 2018-19 data?
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 19, 2020 17:24:00 GMT -5
2019-20 are not part of the data. This is a four year average from 2015-16 to 2018-19. The number for 2020 will be even lower but it is a four year average, which helps GU in this situation. The numbers could be close to the 930 line next year, but what is not known is whether any 2019-20 transfer while academically ineligible, which would certainly affect the totals. ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/gradrates/data/2018RES_2018APRDataSharingCodebook.pdf |
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Post by lucky on May 19, 2020 17:44:35 GMT -5
If this was golf, we would be golden!
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 19, 2020 18:07:00 GMT -5
If we’re going to stink, can’t we at least maintain our academic reputation?
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 19, 2020 19:22:20 GMT -5
If we’re going to stink, can’t we at least maintain our academic reputation? If Georgetown's academic reputation in your mind is based upon the success of 14-15 kids that bounce a basketball better than most versus the rest of the enrolled students I would say your mindset is a bit misguided. Pretty sure a top 25 university in the country is maintaining our reputation... |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 19, 2020 19:47:05 GMT -5
Part of my problem with this is that we often hear how Ewing runs the program in an old school manner, that makes it harder for us to recruit, etc., and yet we have the lowest APR? I guess cannot expect to run a program with the amount of disarray and turnover we have seen and expect the APR to be good.
All that said, one of the things I thought we wouldn't have to worry about with Ewing was the academic side, and we don't even have that compared to our peers.
Overall, I am sure few people will care about this, it's just icing on the cake of what's come before though, which is not encouraging.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 20, 2020 6:16:34 GMT -5
Is there any proof that kids who are enrolled are not passing classes and/or graduating? Who was the last senior not to graduate? Josh Smith? Who was the last player to flunk out for academics? Those are the things that concern me.
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Post by madgesiq92 on May 20, 2020 7:07:12 GMT -5
Latest numbers for the 2018-19 teams. 930 (equivalent to a 50% grad rate) is the cutoff before any penalties start:
Men's Basketball Creighton University NE 2018-2019 966
Men's Basketball University of Connecticut CT 2018-2019 990
Men's Basketball Creighton University NE 2018-2019 966
Men's Basketball DePaul University IL 2018-2019 968
Men's Basketball Georgetown University DC 2018-2019 950
Men's Basketball Marquette University WI 2018-2019 968
Men's Basketball Providence College RI 2018-2019 984
Men's Basketball Seton Hall University NJ 2018-2019 985
Men's Basketball St. John's University NY 2018-2019 954
Men's Basketball Villanova University PA 2018-2019 1000
Men's Basketball Xavier University OH 2018-2019 967www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/stephen-f-austin-among-four-division-i-programs-hit-with-ncaa-tournament-bans-for-poor-apr-scores/web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/aprsearchBad news. This is unlikely to go up in 2019-20 based on the # of transfers. Good news. An NCAA tournament ban is unlikely to have an impact on us. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 20, 2020 8:07:19 GMT -5
Also, transfers are going to be very common and this metric will have no relevance.
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Post by TC on May 20, 2020 9:34:08 GMT -5
2019-20 are not part of the data. This is a four year average from 2015-16 to 2018-19. The number for 2020 will be even lower but it is a four year average, which helps GU in this situation. The numbers could be close to the 930 line next year, but what is not known is whether any 2019-20 transfer while academically ineligible, which would certainly affect the totals. ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/gradrates/data/2018RES_2018APRDataSharingCodebook.pdfGiven the 2015, 2016, 2017 numbers, we could probably reverse engineer this much more accurately, but here's my quick back of the envelope, assuming everyone was eligible and 950 was also indicative of a three year average of 2016-2017, 2017-2018, 2018-2019 : 2019-2020 : 21/26 = 807 4 year total : 950 + 950 + 950 + 807 = 914 I'm not sure if the 807 should be an 807 for the year or it should be (22/26 + 16/18) / 2, if you calculate it on a per-semester basis. It might be worse than that because (a) the 2018-2019 figures are really being weighed down by 2016-2017's Copeland/Peak/Campbell departures, which should also count toward the 4 year of 2019-2020 and (b) I'm not sure what year Paul White's transfer counts against. They may get lucky and McClung may transfer after the semester ends though. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on May 20, 2020 10:23:11 GMT -5
This is actually a pretty big issue.
If you thought recruiting was hard now, imagine trying to recruit this time next year with a postseason ban looming for '21-22.
Agree that the landscape of college athletics has changed due to increasing transfers, and it will be interesting to see if more schools fall under the 930 threshold under the current rules (my guess is yes). Not sure the NCAA wants to see 10-20% of its members ineligible for the postseason, so I would imagine they would "move the goalposts" before it came to that.
Also, with re: to the above hypothetical situation, I am fully aware that they (the NCAA) largely caused this mess to begin with and simply holding all D-1 schools to a lower academic standard is a pretty awful look as well.
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Post by hoya73 on May 20, 2020 11:18:59 GMT -5
Don't schools that know they're going to have numerous one and dones who don't even complete a second semester load their roster with 5 or even more academically sound walk-ons? Too late to try that for last year, but...I'm pretty sure the walk-ons academic progress counts for the overall team score.
Seems like Kansas, for example, always has a lot of players on the bench.
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Post by TC on May 20, 2020 12:10:26 GMT -5
Don't schools that know they're going to have numerous one and dones who don't even complete a second semester load their roster with 5 or even more academically sound walk-ons? Too late to try that for last year, but...I'm pretty sure the walk-ons academic progress counts for the overall team score. Seems like Kansas, for example, always has a lot of players on the bench. It is progress for scholarship players. The walkons would need to be receiving a scholarship. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 20, 2020 12:34:14 GMT -5
Is there any proof that kids who are enrolled are not passing classes and/or graduating? Who was the last senior not to graduate? Josh Smith? Who was the last player to flunk out for academics? Those are the things that concern me. Yes. What is the APR supposed to be measuring in this day of mass tranfers and one-and-done players? It was supposed to measure academic progress, but it has morphed into something else. |
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Post by EtomicB on May 20, 2020 12:44:01 GMT -5
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