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Post by rockhoya on Apr 28, 2020 11:23:23 GMT -5
I say we make the tournament this next year, seriously. Provided Mac returns and we can stay relatively healthy and avoid injuries to our key pieces. If I’m wrong I promise to never post again lol. But actually.
As I see it, were gaining more than we lost (the experience we gave to Wahab will pay dividends) and we have a team and coaching staff who knows it’s sink or swim time. At the helm of the ship is a human being who had excelled in overcoming obstacles his whole life. At some point you learn your lesson and I think the flip side of all that happened this year is it focused Pat even more. If Mac comes back he’ll lead this team to some big wins. A lot of people like to knock him for not being AI incarnate, but he really is an elite, professional scorer and a weapon any team would love to have on their roster. (funny AI side note actually watch some of the shots AI took in highlight tapes from his GU days and pretend it’s Mac taking them. It’s pretty eerie actually). He has a great will to win, is a tireless worker (which is a great thing for your best player to be) and I think between he, Wahab, and solid, consistent senior seasons from Blair and Pickett and some surprise contributions from 2 or 3 of our 6 newcomers (for now) and that’s a middle of the pack BE team.
The real key will be how much the defense improves, and I think that a big help would simply be to play/have bigger guards in the backcourt so we can have a true SF out there, hopefully Bile or Sibley can fill that role, or Pickett if Malcolm (or whoever) is ready to man the 4. Ideally I think Morko needs to play the 3 and when he plays on the perimeter he gets more shots up for those of you wondering why he shot/scored so much more as a freshman then seemed to plateau. He had Marcus at the 4 in year 1. Losing Walker/LeBlanc has directly stunted Pickett’s overall growth because he has sacrificed his preferred role for what the team needs. He keeps improving though and I think he puts a lot of it together this year.
Either way the freshman need to come in ready to defend if we’re gonna make any noise. Playing in the BE always gives you a chance, look no further than Providence this year.
*i reserve the right to amend this prediction at any point between now and the end of week 1 of the season because, again, making predictions in April (and maybe 8 months out) is barely constructive.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 28, 2020 11:24:31 GMT -5
Clearly a lot of folks on this board have a ouija board that works better than mine. Perhaps we can see what happens before we write off next season? Nah, having 6 new players means nothing at all will be different, ever! #hoyatalklogic True, they'll probably be worse.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 28, 2020 11:26:23 GMT -5
Whoever gives us the best chance to win should play. If Sibley or Clark can outplay Bile and take those minutes, great. If Beard or Dante Harris can outplay Jalen Harris, great. It's not inconceivable and it'd be a good sign for the future if that happens. But I don't think we can or should give preferential treatment to the younger guys. I dislike the sentiment that has been expressed by some in our fan base that next year is a "rebuilding year" and that the best case scenario is avoiding the bottom of the conference and maybe making the NIT. I'm not saying that you specifically have said that, but some have. After as many consecutive disappointing years as we've had we can't afford to not try to get this ship turned around as soon as possible, and so I think we need to play whomever gives us the best chance to win. I suspect Patrick and staff feel the same way too which is why they went out and got 2 grad transfers, not to mention that everything I know about Patrick Ewing tells me he is not the type of person who would believe in "rebuilding seasons" and is going to want to try to win every single game we play. If the freshmen end up being better players than journeymen like Jalen Harris or Bile, that's great. Or if they were theoretically dead evenn, might as well get some more experience for the guys who will be around in subsequent years. But my guess is, at minimum, it will take the young guys a while to get accustomed to the higher level of play. If any of the 4 (5?) of them are ready to be big contributors early, I think it's a bonus. But it's good to have some capable older guys out there to bridge the gap to the next generation. J. Harris and Bile may not be all stars but I think both are good enough to make positive contributions and help us win some games. I get the narrative to try to paint the bleakest picture possible in order to get rid of Ewing and the Thompsons but if you take off the anti rose colored glasses who did we really lose from last year. If we lose MacClung that's different but if he comes back all we really lost were Yurt7 and Terrell. Most people on here thought that Wahab was much better than Yurt7 especially in our offensive system. I will make a new thread on the regular forum comparing this years potential team to last years and we can see the differences. Jagen Mosely was kind of important last year.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 28, 2020 11:29:23 GMT -5
Nah, having 6 new players means nothing at all will be different, ever! #hoyatalklogic True, they'll probably be worse. Ironic, just when I thought your “humor” couldn’t get any worse...
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 28, 2020 11:31:27 GMT -5
I get the narrative to try to paint the bleakest picture possible in order to get rid of Ewing and the Thompsons but if you take off the anti rose colored glasses who did we really lose from last year. If we lose MacClung that's different but if he comes back all we really lost were Yurt7 and Terrell. Most people on here thought that Wahab was much better than Yurt7 especially in our offensive system. I will make a new thread on the regular forum comparing this years potential team to last years and we can see the differences. Jagen Mosely was kind of important last year. And the yet you were probably on here last summer bashing his game like several other posters too. Many thought his college career was a closed book already. See the importance of letting the players actually play the game before coming to a forgone conclusion about what may or may not happen? Crazy innit?
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 28, 2020 11:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 28, 2020 11:42:09 GMT -5
There are a ton of overly pessimistic people on this board and we know who they are. The fact is, we have 6 new guys coming on board, many who bring experience, toughness, ball handling and/or athleticism that team has been missing.
We know that chemistry also plays a huge role...as seen when we lost Akinjo, LeBlanc, and others and proceeded to go on a tear until we were decimated by injuries. We’ve got some good pieces and barring another mass exodus or simultaneous injuries to arguably our two best players....there is no reason to think that we can’t build on last year.
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Post by guru on Apr 28, 2020 11:58:43 GMT -5
Seems about as good as we can do at this point - I’m not sure why everyone is so down on the prospects for next year’s team if Mac comes back. I think the roster looks pretty solid, and we should be a bubble team. Ewing needs to coach up a team and actually produce wins at the same time. The ice is getting awfully thin. So many supporters have simply tuned the program out for now (and maybe forever if results don’t improve soon).
I feel badly for Ewing - but he’s in a bad spot with the way the program is run as if it’s still the 1970s and 1980s. Rooting for him but feeling more and more certain any rebirth of Georgetown basketball won’t happen until the program is free and clear of the Thompson family influence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 11:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by IDenj on Apr 28, 2020 11:59:19 GMT -5
There are a ton of overly pessimistic people on this board and we know who they are. The fact is, we have 6 new guys coming on board, many who bring experience, toughness, ball handling and/or athleticism that team has been missing. We know that chemistry also plays a huge role...as seen when we lost Akinjo, LeBlanc, and others and proceeded to go on a tear until we were decimated by injuries. We’ve got some good pieces and barring another mass exodus or simultaneous injuries to arguably our two best players....there is no reason to think that we can’t build on last year. There is a legit case for both being positive about the future and pessimistic at the same time.
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Post by mdtd on Apr 28, 2020 12:19:03 GMT -5
Whoever gives us the best chance to win should play. If Sibley or Clark can outplay Bile and take those minutes, great. If Beard or Dante Harris can outplay Jalen Harris, great. It's not inconceivable and it'd be a good sign for the future if that happens. But I don't think we can or should give preferential treatment to the younger guys. I dislike the sentiment that has been expressed by some in our fan base that next year is a "rebuilding year" and that the best case scenario is avoiding the bottom of the conference and maybe making the NIT. I'm not saying that you specifically have said that, but some have. After as many consecutive disappointing years as we've had we can't afford to not try to get this ship turned around as soon as possible, and so I think we need to play whomever gives us the best chance to win. I suspect Patrick and staff feel the same way too which is why they went out and got 2 grad transfers, not to mention that everything I know about Patrick Ewing tells me he is not the type of person who would believe in "rebuilding seasons" and is going to want to try to win every single game we play. If the freshmen end up being better players than journeymen like Jalen Harris or Bile, that's great. Or if they were theoretically dead evenn, might as well get some more experience for the guys who will be around in subsequent years. But my guess is, at minimum, it will take the young guys a while to get accustomed to the higher level of play. If any of the 4 (5?) of them are ready to be big contributors early, I think it's a bonus. But it's good to have some capable older guys out there to bridge the gap to the next generation. J. Harris and Bile may not be all stars but I think both are good enough to make positive contributions and help us win some games. I get the narrative to try to paint the bleakest picture possible in order to get rid of Ewing and the Thompsons but if you take off the anti rose colored glasses who did we really lose from last year. If we lose MacClung that's different but if he comes back all we really lost were Yurt7 and Terrell. Most people on here thought that Wahab was much better than Yurt7 especially in our offensive system. I will make a new thread on the regular forum comparing this years potential team to last years and we can see the differences. So I've posted this before, but your concept of what we lose is not true. The team loses 44.4% of our scoring, 59.3% of assists, 43.7% of our rebounding, and our two best defenders. Wahab was and is not "much better then Yurt7" he's not as good. Yurtseven was the best or second-best player in every game he played. Wahab was not Yurtseven while Yurtseven was out injured. Yurtseven is a much better scorer and was a solid rebounder. Also, you completely forgot about/neglected Jagan which absolutely is insulting to what he did. We Bring in Bile, a guy who I think can give about 9/5, Harris who should cover up most of the assists and freshmen who do a bunch of different things. If we lose Mac, this team is probably worse then DePaul. I think that because our team wouldn't have a real create your shot scoring threat and a lead scorer, barring someone really showing something special. Just going off the top of my head, we lose 80 minutes of guard production and 30 minutes inside. Wahab should start from day one and I don't want Ewing to get another center. Three is more than enough. Malcolm should have improved in his redshirt season. But, we lose quality defenders on a defense which already was bad. Next season may rely on the freshmen. It's either them or Ewing scheming up a solid defense. We don't have a replacement for a lot of their scoring, barring a jump or something unexpected from someone coming in, and the defense could somehow get worse. I think Bile helps open up the floor, but I have worries about how his game will translate. He opens up the floor and can create a bit for himself from what I've seen in the highlights. I don't think now is a great time to predict next season, especially with a lot of new guys. That being said, I'll do it anyway. I think this team is the 2018-19 team with a higher floor and a lower ceiling. As in, they won't get blown out by DePaul, but also won't dominate games at ranked teams. So like a 5/6 seed in the NIT. Is the Big Dance possible with a good schedule? Absolutely. Win two or three fluky games and don't fall off against bad opponents and boom you can make the Big Dance. But, I wouldn't say it's likely at all.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 28, 2020 12:45:02 GMT -5
There are a ton of overly pessimistic people on this board and we know who they are. The fact is, we have 6 new guys coming on board, many who bring experience, toughness, ball handling and/or athleticism that team has been missing. We know that chemistry also plays a huge role...as seen when we lost Akinjo, LeBlanc, and others and proceeded to go on a tear until we were decimated by injuries. We’ve got some good pieces and barring another mass exodus or simultaneous injuries to arguably our two best players....there is no reason to think that we can’t build on last year. It all comes down to Mac’s decision. If he’s back, I’ll say this team is very bubbly. If he stays in the draft or transfers I just don’t know who is going to be producing the shots on offense. Won’t be all that different from when Mac and Yurt got hurt this past season and the offense was extremely stagnant.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 28, 2020 14:01:07 GMT -5
The Hoyas, pre and post Ewing, have been beaten by teams with under recruited players, especially guards, who took it to the next level in college. Maybe next year is the time we land a few overachievers.
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Post by mdtd on Apr 28, 2020 14:21:30 GMT -5
I just watched this one for all of his minutes. And well, I have some takes. Chudier is #4 in purple. All times listed are video time stamps. I'll start with the positives: He has a nice stroke and is very good in a catch and shoot situation. Good open shooter. He crashes the boards well. Good athlete, he can grab in over some guys and just beats them to the glass. He has a good inside game. Good post game, good face-up game, he can make a move off of very little dribbles. Good free throw shooter too. He has a nice stroke from the line and it looks very smooth. He hustles for the boards/ loose balls and did dive for it. The team was also worse with him on the bench. His offensive awareness is solid. He's in the right spots and can make a play on a few dribbles. Most of his turnovers come from him trying to force something and do too much which should help. Also, in this game two of his fouls were ticky-tack fouls, one was him diving on the floor for a loose ball (1:26:26) and the other was after he got good position inside, the ref called a foul which I couldn't see. The inside one occurred in the first half and the other one was later in the game. If he gets fouls diving for loose balls and going after plays, I will take all of those. Every team needs someone who will hustle. I'll take those every time. Also, one of his TO's (occurred at the 1:21:25 mark) was him getting in the lane and creating space, but losing his footing. He had a lane for a bucket and just sipped and traveled. This can be fixed, and I like the aggressiveness. Cons: Oh boy, there are some very frustrating plays here. Number one, his off-ball defense is horrible. And I mean horrible. He plays so far down on his guys, most of the time his guy is on the three-point line and he's near/below the free-throw line. It's not like he's guarding guys who can't shoot either. At least five shots were hit this way. And it never changed. He is really, really, really bad off the ball. Shooters were left open and his rotations were late. There was one play where he's at the block and his man catches it at the three-point line. His closeout is bad and it's an easy blow-by for the guy he's guarding. Luckily for him, the big man rotates well and causes the driver to pass the ball. Only for Chudier to not cover the big man and leave the guy open for a jumper, which he hits. This occurred at the 1:41:06 mark. This is not the first instance. He really, really needs to work on that. Big East guys are hitting the open shot. He left shooters open way too much. And it didn't seem to be schematic, the other guys all played pretty tight on their guy. His off-ball defense is going to be a real problem if this continues. It might make him unplayable it was that bad. 22:38 is another good example. Also, you know how when watching Pickett play if he takes over two dribbles you want him to pass the ball and expect something bad to happen? Chudier is the exact same way. If he takes over two dribbles, something bad is going to happen. If he takes two or less, he can make a play. But over two leads to TO's. These were the only TO's that scared me but oh boy does this need work. Coach Crouch has two guys he needs to teach. Luckily, they seem to make the same mistakes so some group work will help. Also, he doesn't box out when rebounding. Ever. There were two instances pretty early on where if he had boxed out his team gets the defensive rebound and instead he gave up an offensive board. (6:10 is the earliest example.) At 10:55 he gets boxed out, giving up an offensive rebound, because he didn't establish defensive position and was behind his man. So, two birds with one stone there. He's athletic enough to tip it but doesn't grab it. 26:17 is another fine example, though it wasn't his box out that got the offensive board. But if he had gotten better position, he gets the board. Can Patrick Ewing teach boxing out? Absolutely. But Chudier will have some moments like this and it needs to improve. There are other examples of him not boxing out, but he was athletic enough to grab boards. In the Big East, I don't know how that will translate. He also doesn't look towards the ball when setting a screen. So he may be open and could get a bucket, but he wasn't looking for the ball, so he can't receive it. Another thing that is small and can be fixed, but it's something I noticed considering he was the guy I was focusing on. Ewing can fix this and it can and should improve. He also tends to step up when guarding the ball, allowing for easy blow-bys for the offense. 1:40:23 was the last time and one where it was really noticeable. Overall: He's strong and has a good looking shot. He misses his first two threes really badly, the second one was missed a the 14:29 mark, and first was about two minutes before, but aside from that, he hits open shots. A good offensive player who hits open shots and can do a little for himself. His defense needs a lot of work, as does his ball handling. He's athletic enough to compete at this level but makes some really bad mistakes. He's aggressive and has skill, but needs to use that better. His last miss showed what he can do, very good blow-by, followed by what needs to improve, attempted double-clutch layup which missed badly (1:25:30). The TO's concern me, the fouls didn't, especially considering the way they happened and how he is not going to play as many minutes here. He's pretty efficient from the field, aside from the TO's. When he's not forcing a play, he's solid. He can be a big offensive threat if he improves his ball-handling and learns the difference between being aggressive and forcing something. And the defense, like the teams, needs a lot of work. Last note: If you want to get really angry, I suggest watching Chudier's TO at 12:10 on the video.
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Post by AshantiCooksBurner on Apr 28, 2020 14:45:12 GMT -5
I just watched this one for all of his minutes. And well, I have some takes. Chudier is #4 in purple. All times listed are video time stamps. I'll start with the positives: He has a nice stroke and is very good in a catch and shoot situation. Good open shooter. He crashes the boards well. Good athlete, he can grab in over some guys and just beats them to the glass. He has a good inside game. Good post game, good face-up game, he can make a move off of very little dribbles. Good free throw shooter too. He has a nice stroke from the line and it looks very smooth. He hustles for the boards/ loose balls and did dive for it. The team was also worse with him on the bench. His offensive awareness is solid. He's in the right spots and can make a play on a few dribbles. Most of his turnovers come from him trying to force something and do too much which should help. Also, in this game two of his fouls were ticky-tack fouls, one was him diving on the floor for a loose ball (1:26:26) and the other was after he got good position inside, the ref called a foul which I couldn't see. The inside one occurred in the first half and the other one was later in the game. If he gets fouls diving for loose balls and going after plays, I will take all of those. Every team needs someone who will hustle. I'll take those every time. Also, one of his TO's (occurred at the 1:21:25 mark) was him getting in the lane and creating space, but losing his footing. He had a lane for a bucket and just sipped and traveled. This can be fixed, and I like the aggressiveness. Cons: Oh boy, there are some very frustrating plays here. Number one, his off-ball defense is horrible. And I mean horrible. He plays so far down on his guys, most of the time his guy is on the three-point line and he's near/below the free-throw line. It's not like he's guarding guys who can't shoot either. At least five shots were hit this way. And it never changed. He is really, really, really bad off the ball. Shooters were left open and his rotations were late. There was one play where he's at the block and his man catches it at the three-point line. His closeout is bad and it's an easy blow-by for the guy he's guarding. Luckily for him, the big man rotates well and causes the driver to pass the ball. Only for Chudier to not cover the big man and leave the guy open for a jumper, which he hits. This occurred at the 1:41:06 mark. This is not the first instance. He really, really needs to work on that. Big Eats guys are hitting the open shot. He left shooters open way too much. And it didn't seem to be schematic, the other guys all played pretty tight on their guy. His off-ball defense is going to be a real problem if this continues. It might make him unplayable it was that bad. 22:38 is another good example. Also, you know how when watching Pickett play if he takes over two dribbles you want him to pass the ball and expect something bad to happen? Chudier is the exact same way. If he takes over two dribbles, something bad is going to happen. If he takes two or less, he can make a play. But over two leads to TO's. These were the only TO's that scared me but oh boy does this need work. Coach Crouch has two guys he needs to teach. Luckily, they seem to make the same mistakes so some group work will help. Also, he doesn't box out when rebounding. Ever. There were two instances pretty early on where if he had boxed out his team gets the defensive rebound and instead he gave up an offensive board. (6:10 is the earliest example.) At 10:55 he gets boxed out, giving up an offensive rebound, because he didn't establish defensive position and was behind his man. So, two birds with one stone there. He's athletic enough to tip it but doesn't grab it. 26:17 is another fine example, though it wasn't his box out that got the offensive board. But if he had gotten better position, he gets the board. Can Patrick Ewing teach boxing out? Absolutely. But Chudier will have some moments like this and it needs to improve. There are other examples of him not boxing out, but he was athletic enough to grab boards. In the Big East, I don't know how that will translate. He also doesn't look towards the ball when setting a screen. So he may be open and could get a bucket, but he wasn't looking for the ball, so he can't receive it. Another thing that is small and can be fixed, but it's something I noticed considering he was the guy I was focusing on. Ewing can fix this and it can and should improve. He also tends to step up when guarding the ball, allowing for easy blow-bys for the offense. 1:40:23 was the last time and one where it was really noticeable. Overall: He's strong and has a good looking shot. He misses his first two threes really badly, the second one was missed a the 14:29 mark, and first was about two minutes before, but aside from that, he hits open shots. A good offensive player who hits open shots and can do a little for himself. His defense needs a lot of work, as does his ball handling. He's athletic enough to compete at this level but makes some really bad mistakes. He's aggressive and has skill, but needs to use that better. His last miss showed what he can do, very good blow-by, followed by what needs to improve, attempted double-clutch layup which missed badly (1:25:30). The TO's concern me, the fouls didn't, especially considering the way they happened and how he is not going to play as many minutes here. He's pretty efficient from the field, aside from the TO's. When he's not forcing a play, he's solid. He can be a big offensive threat if he improves his ball-handling and learns the difference between being aggressive and forcing something. And the defense, like the teams, needs a lot of work. Last note: If you want to get really angry, I suggest watching Chudier's TO at 12:10 on the video. This is great stuff! Thank you. I really appreciate the time stamps and all the effort here. There is a LOT of annoying fluff on this, and all, message boards, but this is the type of thing that makes being on the boards worth it. Also, that turnover at 12:10....... oh man. Pat would be pointing at someone off the bench REAL quick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 14:53:26 GMT -5
I don't get it. That's hardly the worst thing I've ever seen. Dude cut & cut back. Fooled his own teammate.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 28, 2020 15:24:01 GMT -5
In spite of the tough analysis, I will take the following -nice stroke -good in catch and shoot -good open shooter -good inside game -good post game -very smooth -hustles -impact player (team better when he is on the floor) -good free throw shooter -solid offensive awareness (saw this too) -aggressive (saw that too)
Net worth: Will be an asset, maybe even an impact player
Thanks for the report!
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Post by centercourt400s on Apr 28, 2020 15:41:26 GMT -5
I just watched this one for all of his minutes. And well, I have some takes. Chudier is #4 in purple. All times listed are video time stamps. I'll start with the positives: He has a nice stroke and is very good in a catch and shoot situation. Good open shooter. He crashes the boards well. Good athlete, he can grab in over some guys and just beats them to the glass. He has a good inside game. Good post game, good face-up game, he can make a move off of very little dribbles. Good free throw shooter too. He has a nice stroke from the line and it looks very smooth. He hustles for the boards/ loose balls and did dive for it. The team was also worse with him on the bench. His offensive awareness is solid. He's in the right spots and can make a play on a few dribbles. Most of his turnovers come from him trying to force something and do too much which should help. Also, in this game two of his fouls were ticky-tack fouls, one was him diving on the floor for a loose ball (1:26:26) and the other was after he got good position inside, the ref called a foul which I couldn't see. The inside one occurred in the first half and the other one was later in the game. If he gets fouls diving for loose balls and going after plays, I will take all of those. Every team needs someone who will hustle. I'll take those every time. Also, one of his TO's (occurred at the 1:21:25 mark) was him getting in the lane and creating space, but losing his footing. He had a lane for a bucket and just sipped and traveled. This can be fixed, and I like the aggressiveness. Cons: Oh boy, there are some very frustrating plays here. Number one, his off-ball defense is horrible. And I mean horrible. He plays so far down on his guys, most of the time his guy is on the three-point line and he's near/below the free-throw line. It's not like he's guarding guys who can't shoot either. At least five shots were hit this way. And it never changed. He is really, really, really bad off the ball. Shooters were left open and his rotations were late. There was one play where he's at the block and his man catches it at the three-point line. His closeout is bad and it's an easy blow-by for the guy he's guarding. Luckily for him, the big man rotates well and causes the driver to pass the ball. Only for Chudier to not cover the big man and leave the guy open for a jumper, which he hits. This occurred at the 1:41:06 mark. This is not the first instance. He really, really needs to work on that. Big Eats guys are hitting the open shot. He left shooters open way too much. And it didn't seem to be schematic, the other guys all played pretty tight on their guy. His off-ball defense is going to be a real problem if this continues. It might make him unplayable it was that bad. 22:38 is another good example. Also, you know how when watching Pickett play if he takes over two dribbles you want him to pass the ball and expect something bad to happen? Chudier is the exact same way. If he takes over two dribbles, something bad is going to happen. If he takes two or less, he can make a play. But over two leads to TO's. These were the only TO's that scared me but oh boy does this need work. Coach Crouch has two guys he needs to teach. Luckily, they seem to make the same mistakes so some group work will help. Also, he doesn't box out when rebounding. Ever. There were two instances pretty early on where if he had boxed out his team gets the defensive rebound and instead he gave up an offensive board. (6:10 is the earliest example.) At 10:55 he gets boxed out, giving up an offensive rebound, because he didn't establish defensive position and was behind his man. So, two birds with one stone there. He's athletic enough to tip it but doesn't grab it. 26:17 is another fine example, though it wasn't his box out that got the offensive board. But if he had gotten better position, he gets the board. Can Patrick Ewing teach boxing out? Absolutely. But Chudier will have some moments like this and it needs to improve. There are other examples of him not boxing out, but he was athletic enough to grab boards. In the Big East, I don't know how that will translate. He also doesn't look towards the ball when setting a screen. So he may be open and could get a bucket, but he wasn't looking for the ball, so he can't receive it. Another thing that is small and can be fixed, but it's something I noticed considering he was the guy I was focusing on. Ewing can fix this and it can and should improve. He also tends to step up when guarding the ball, allowing for easy blow-bys for the offense. 1:40:23 was the last time and one where it was really noticeable. Overall: He's strong and has a good looking shot. He misses his first two threes really badly, the second one was missed a the 14:29 mark, and first was about two minutes before, but aside from that, he hits open shots. A good offensive player who hits open shots and can do a little for himself. His defense needs a lot of work, as does his ball handling. He's athletic enough to compete at this level but makes some really bad mistakes. He's aggressive and has skill, but needs to use that better. His last miss showed what he can do, very good blow-by, followed by what needs to improve, attempted double-clutch layup which missed badly (1:25:30). The TO's concern me, the fouls didn't, especially considering the way they happened and how he is not going to play as many minutes here. He's pretty efficient from the field, aside from the TO's. When he's not forcing a play, he's solid. He can be a big offensive threat if he improves his ball-handling and learns the difference between being aggressive and forcing something. And the defense, like the teams, needs a lot of work. Last note: If you want to get really angry, I suggest watching Chudier's TO at 12:10 on the video. This is great stuff! Thank you. I really appreciate the time stamps and all the effort here. There is a LOT of annoying fluff on this, and all, message boards, but this is the type of thing that makes being on the boards worth it. Also, that turnover at 12:10....... oh man. Pat would be pointing at someone off the bench REAL quick. I also appreciate a post that represents someone who took some time for some thoughtful analysis, so thanks. It is great to know what he showed in a real life game situation. One word of caution though, that's only one game and should be given the proper weighting. Extrapolating his overall strengths and weaknesses from one game is probably going to lead to some inaccurate conclusions.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 28, 2020 15:44:56 GMT -5
I just watched this one for all of his minutes. And well, I have some takes. Chudier is #4 in purple. All times listed are video time stamps. I'll start with the positives: He has a nice stroke and is very good in a catch and shoot situation. Good open shooter. He crashes the boards well. Good athlete, he can grab in over some guys and just beats them to the glass. He has a good inside game. Good post game, good face-up game, he can make a move off of very little dribbles. Good free throw shooter too. He has a nice stroke from the line and it looks very smooth. He hustles for the boards/ loose balls and did dive for it. The team was also worse with him on the bench. His offensive awareness is solid. He's in the right spots and can make a play on a few dribbles. Most of his turnovers come from him trying to force something and do too much which should help. Also, in this game two of his fouls were ticky-tack fouls, one was him diving on the floor for a loose ball (1:26:26) and the other was after he got good position inside, the ref called a foul which I couldn't see. The inside one occurred in the first half and the other one was later in the game. If he gets fouls diving for loose balls and going after plays, I will take all of those. Every team needs someone who will hustle. I'll take those every time. Also, one of his TO's (occurred at the 1:21:25 mark) was him getting in the lane and creating space, but losing his footing. He had a lane for a bucket and just sipped and traveled. This can be fixed, and I like the aggressiveness. Cons: Oh boy, there are some very frustrating plays here. Number one, his off-ball defense is horrible. And I mean horrible. He plays so far down on his guys, most of the time his guy is on the three-point line and he's near/below the free-throw line. It's not like he's guarding guys who can't shoot either. At least five shots were hit this way. And it never changed. He is really, really, really bad off the ball. Shooters were left open and his rotations were late. There was one play where he's at the block and his man catches it at the three-point line. His closeout is bad and it's an easy blow-by for the guy he's guarding. Luckily for him, the big man rotates well and causes the driver to pass the ball. Only for Chudier to not cover the big man and leave the guy open for a jumper, which he hits. This occurred at the 1:41:06 mark. This is not the first instance. He really, really needs to work on that. Big East guys are hitting the open shot. He left shooters open way too much. And it didn't seem to be schematic, the other guys all played pretty tight on their guy. His off-ball defense is going to be a real problem if this continues. It might make him unplayable it was that bad. 22:38 is another good example. Also, you know how when watching Pickett play if he takes over two dribbles you want him to pass the ball and expect something bad to happen? Chudier is the exact same way. If he takes over two dribbles, something bad is going to happen. If he takes two or less, he can make a play. But over two leads to TO's. These were the only TO's that scared me but oh boy does this need work. Coach Crouch has two guys he needs to teach. Luckily, they seem to make the same mistakes so some group work will help. Also, he doesn't box out when rebounding. Ever. There were two instances pretty early on where if he had boxed out his team gets the defensive rebound and instead he gave up an offensive board. (6:10 is the earliest example.) At 10:55 he gets boxed out, giving up an offensive rebound, because he didn't establish defensive position and was behind his man. So, two birds with one stone there. He's athletic enough to tip it but doesn't grab it. 26:17 is another fine example, though it wasn't his box out that got the offensive board. But if he had gotten better position, he gets the board. Can Patrick Ewing teach boxing out? Absolutely. But Chudier will have some moments like this and it needs to improve. There are other examples of him not boxing out, but he was athletic enough to grab boards. In the Big East, I don't know how that will translate. He also doesn't look towards the ball when setting a screen. So he may be open and could get a bucket, but he wasn't looking for the ball, so he can't receive it. Another thing that is small and can be fixed, but it's something I noticed considering he was the guy I was focusing on. Ewing can fix this and it can and should improve. He also tends to step up when guarding the ball, allowing for easy blow-bys for the offense. 1:40:23 was the last time and one where it was really noticeable. Overall: He's strong and has a good looking shot. He misses his first two threes really badly, the second one was missed a the 14:29 mark, and first was about two minutes before, but aside from that, he hits open shots. A good offensive player who hits open shots and can do a little for himself. His defense needs a lot of work, as does his ball handling. He's athletic enough to compete at this level but makes some really bad mistakes. He's aggressive and has skill, but needs to use that better. His last miss showed what he can do, very good blow-by, followed by what needs to improve, attempted double-clutch layup which missed badly (1:25:30). The TO's concern me, the fouls didn't, especially considering the way they happened and how he is not going to play as many minutes here. He's pretty efficient from the field, aside from the TO's. When he's not forcing a play, he's solid. He can be a big offensive threat if he improves his ball-handling and learns the difference between being aggressive and forcing something. And the defense, like the teams, needs a lot of work. Last note: If you want to get really angry, I suggest watching Chudier's TO at 12:10 on the video. Great post and thanks for the film review. The flaws you've identified in his game are not unique to just him. As a group, we are terrible at off-the-ball defense (knowing when to help, avoiding no-man's land, etc.). We are also terrible at boxing out; as a group we love to try to jump over/through guys and reach for missed shots as opposed to establishing position. The onus is on the staff to find a way to correct those mistakes across the board. Fundamentals and scheme will go a long way towards improving what we have.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 28, 2020 16:05:12 GMT -5
Patience. Based on where we are ans\d what we have been able to add, I am going to exhort Hoyas fans to enjoy the process more.
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