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Post by blueandgray on Apr 27, 2020 23:17:14 GMT -5
Staff loves how athletic he is. Gotta give the staff credit, they filled another hole with someone who can contribute immediately.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 28, 2020 0:07:28 GMT -5
Staff loves how athletic he is. Gotta give the staff credit, they filled another hole with someone who can contribute immediately. If his stats are translatable to the Big East, he's certainly a good get. While his O rating was 97 (largely pulled down by the awful turnover rate), he shot 50% from two, and 38.5% from three. He also had a great 23.4 defensive rebounding rate. His usage was also very high (30), so if that goes down (it should), hopefully his turnovers will go down too. On paper, at least, he's a better offensive player than Pickett (Pickett did play against better competition, so take it for what it is worth). If people are down on Bile, I am not sure who you expect to walk in through the door given the state of the program at the moment, and the seeming decision to stick with the same recruiting assistants.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 28, 2020 0:24:59 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 28, 2020 2:05:27 GMT -5
Do you start Bile and move Pickett to SF?
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 28, 2020 2:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 28, 2020 2:58:15 GMT -5
Do you start Bile and move Pickett to SF? Yes!
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 28, 2020 2:59:22 GMT -5
Staff loves how athletic he is. Gotta give the staff credit, they filled another hole with someone who can contribute immediately. If his stats are translatable to the Big East, he's certainly a good get. While his O rating was 97 (largely pulled down by the awful turnover rate), he shot 50% from two, and 38.5% from three. He also had a great 23.4 defensive rebounding rate. His usage was also very high (30), so if that goes down (it should), hopefully his turnovers will go down too. On paper, at least, he's a better offensive player than Pickett (Pickett did play against better competition, so take it for what it is worth). If people are down on Bile, I am not sure who you expect to walk in through the door given the state of the program at the moment, and the seeming decision to stick with the same recruiting assistants. nsudemons.com/news/2020/4/14/demon-basketball-bile-picked-to-the-all-louisiana-third-team.aspx
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 28, 2020 7:06:57 GMT -5
Do you start Bile and move Pickett to SF? Yes! Whether Pickett plays SF or PF he'll have the same role on offense - so I think it'll really just be a game by game matter of defensive matchups. Bile is shorter than Pickett and listed at 200lbs, so not sure it is a lock that he will always defend the bigger guy.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 28, 2020 7:10:07 GMT -5
Agree that it depends on the matchup, but Bile is quicker and carries more muscle.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 28, 2020 7:32:22 GMT -5
Whether Pickett plays SF or PF he'll have the same role on offense - so I think it'll really just be a game by game matter of defensive matchups. Bile is shorter than Pickett and listed at 200lbs, so not sure it is a lock that he will always defend the bigger guy. I think alot of it depends on MacLung. If he comes back I see us going 3 small guard offense again as that was highly successful. (Mac, Jalen Harris, Dante, Beard, Blair) Then Bile is brought in as backup power forward/depth/foul trouble for Pickett and also as a defensive replacement for the 3 small guards when we have a matchup problem with a 6-6 and above wing.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 28, 2020 8:13:11 GMT -5
I'd much rather see the sophomores & freshman play next season as opposed to stopgap kids, let J.Harris & Bile be the back-end guys... If Beard & D. Harris are anywhere near J. Harris then I think the staff should go with them. I feel the same when it comes to Clark/Sibley & Bile... Whoever gives us the best chance to win should play. If Sibley or Clark can outplay Bile and take those minutes, great. If Beard or Dante Harris can outplay Jalen Harris, great. It's not inconceivable and it'd be a good sign for the future if that happens. But I don't think we can or should give preferential treatment to the younger guys. I dislike the sentiment that has been expressed by some in our fan base that next year is a "rebuilding year" and that the best case scenario is avoiding the bottom of the conference and maybe making the NIT. I'm not saying that you specifically have said that, but some have. After as many consecutive disappointing years as we've had we can't afford to not try to get this ship turned around as soon as possible, and so I think we need to play whomever gives us the best chance to win. I suspect Patrick and staff feel the same way too which is why they went out and got 2 grad transfers, not to mention that everything I know about Patrick Ewing tells me he is not the type of person who would believe in "rebuilding seasons" and is going to want to try to win every single game we play. If the freshmen end up being better players than journeymen like Jalen Harris or Bile, that's great. Or if they were theoretically dead evenn, might as well get some more experience for the guys who will be around in subsequent years. But my guess is, at minimum, it will take the young guys a while to get accustomed to the higher level of play. If any of the 4 (5?) of them are ready to be big contributors early, I think it's a bonus. But it's good to have some capable older guys out there to bridge the gap to the next generation. J. Harris and Bile may not be all stars but I think both are good enough to make positive contributions and help us win some games.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 28, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5
"I dislike the sentiment that has been expressed by some in our fan base that next year is a "rebuilding year" and that the best case scenario is avoiding the bottom of the conference and maybe making the NIT"
I dislike this sentiment too for the very fact that to a high degree of probability it will come to fruition.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 28, 2020 9:26:32 GMT -5
Clearly a lot of folks on this board have a ouija board that works better than mine. Perhaps we can see what happens before we write off next season?
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 28, 2020 10:47:48 GMT -5
Clearly a lot of folks on this board have a ouija board that works better than mine. Perhaps we can see what happens before we write off next season? Nah, having 6 new players means nothing at all will be different, ever! #hoyatalklogic
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 28, 2020 10:56:47 GMT -5
I'd much rather see the sophomores & freshman play next season as opposed to stopgap kids, let J.Harris & Bile be the back-end guys... If Beard & D. Harris are anywhere near J. Harris then I think the staff should go with them. I feel the same when it comes to Clark/Sibley & Bile... Whoever gives us the best chance to win should play. If Sibley or Clark can outplay Bile and take those minutes, great. If Beard or Dante Harris can outplay Jalen Harris, great. It's not inconceivable and it'd be a good sign for the future if that happens. But I don't think we can or should give preferential treatment to the younger guys. I dislike the sentiment that has been expressed by some in our fan base that next year is a "rebuilding year" and that the best case scenario is avoiding the bottom of the conference and maybe making the NIT. I'm not saying that you specifically have said that, but some have. After as many consecutive disappointing years as we've had we can't afford to not try to get this ship turned around as soon as possible, and so I think we need to play whomever gives us the best chance to win. I suspect Patrick and staff feel the same way too which is why they went out and got 2 grad transfers, not to mention that everything I know about Patrick Ewing tells me he is not the type of person who would believe in "rebuilding seasons" and is going to want to try to win every single game we play. If the freshmen end up being better players than journeymen like Jalen Harris or Bile, that's great. Or if they were theoretically dead evenn, might as well get some more experience for the guys who will be around in subsequent years. But my guess is, at minimum, it will take the young guys a while to get accustomed to the higher level of play. If any of the 4 (5?) of them are ready to be big contributors early, I think it's a bonus. But it's good to have some capable older guys out there to bridge the gap to the next generation. J. Harris and Bile may not be all stars but I think both are good enough to make positive contributions and help us win some games. I get the narrative to try to paint the bleakest picture possible in order to get rid of Ewing and the Thompsons but if you take off the anti rose colored glasses who did we really lose from last year. If we lose MacClung that's different but if he comes back all we really lost were Yurt7 and Terrell. Most people on here thought that Wahab was much better than Yurt7 especially in our offensive system. I will make a new thread on the regular forum comparing this years potential team to last years and we can see the differences.
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Post by TC on Apr 28, 2020 11:00:54 GMT -5
If you guys think this team is going to be great and you wanna mock people saying we're back to a year one rebuild, post your expectations and we can review a year from now. What's our BE record? What tournament do we make, if any? How far does this team go?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 28, 2020 11:04:00 GMT -5
I don’t think that “most people” thought that Wahab was “much better” than Yurtseven. And Allen wasn’t exactly a meaningless piece.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 28, 2020 11:07:42 GMT -5
If you guys think this team is going to be great and you wanna mock people saying we're back to a year one rebuild, post your expectations and we can review a year from now. What's our BE record? What tournament do we make, if any? How far does this team go? Part of the point is it’s pointless to speculate in April. Particularly when there’s a nonzero chance the season won’t start for another 8 months. The rational and sane thing to do would to wait until there’s a clearer picture of the landscape.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 11:10:21 GMT -5
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