EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 15, 2020 19:11:53 GMT -5
This ruling by the NCAA will cost playing time for incoming recruits so, effectively, those with their eligibility extended will be pampered while the incoming will be penalized. It's the incoming recruits that will suffer. The team will also suffer as it attempts to satisfy 13-15 players on the team. The colleges will also suffer as they will either have to swallow the cost of additional scholarships or decide not to offer fifth year scholarships. I hope Georgetown will take the latter approach and announce it will not fund scholarships for the extra year and move on. This is especially the best option since the BB Hoyas did not lose any playing time last season. Millions of people have lost their livelihood, some forever, and we are worried about the poor athletes who met a bump in the road while simultaneously earning a degree? Gimme a break. Most of the kids at the hm level will move on to the professional ranks. For those that don't that option it gives them an opportunity to work on advanced degrees. I doubt there's going to be a lot of impact players sticking around college for another year just because, so I think your making more out of it than what it is. Respect your opinion but disagree. Also note you limited your comments to HM's.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 19:50:54 GMT -5
Most of the kids at the hm level will move on to the professional ranks. For those that don't that option it gives them an opportunity to work on advanced degrees. I doubt there's going to be a lot of impact players sticking around college for another year just because, so I think your making more out of it than what it is. Respect your opinion but disagree. Also note you limited your comments to HM's. Because you mentioned Georgetown specifically. Do you think say Jamorko will be trying to play next year as opposed to getting paid to play professionally if he gets his degree?
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 15, 2020 19:57:35 GMT -5
This won't take spots from incoming recruits. It's granting Seniors an extra year of play time while not counting against the scholarship limit. Also just because others are suffering, why does it mean that everyone HAS to suffer. TBH I wish more out there were doing what the NCAA is doing and be more lenient about lost time. This ruling by the NCAA will cost playing time for incoming recruits so, effectively, those with their eligibility extended will be pampered while the incoming will be penalized. It's the incoming recruits that will suffer. The team will also suffer as it attempts to satisfy 13-15 players on the team. The colleges will also suffer as they will either have to swallow the cost of additional scholarships or decide not to offer fifth year scholarships. I hope Georgetown will take the latter approach and announce it will not fund scholarships for the extra year and move on. This is especially the best option since the BB Hoyas did not lose any playing time last season. Millions of people have lost their livelihood, some forever, and we are worried about the poor athletes who met a bump in the road while simultaneously earning a degree? Gimme a break. Spring & Fall athletes were granted an extra year it's only fair that Winter sports get the same opportunity in my view... The schools aren't going to be forced into keeping kids on either... www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29712267/ncaa-votes-give-extra-year-eligibility-division-fall-athletesWest Virginia athletic director Shane Lyons, who is the chair of the Football Oversight Committee, said the top question he has received from student-athletes has been regarding their eligibility during a season of uncertainty.
"By providing clarity and removing that uncertainty from their minds is something that's going to be very beneficial as we move forward," Lyons said. "Not having a normal season, not having that normal 20 games in soccer, or 28 matches in volleyball, and even football not sure what that season's going to look like, that was the No. 1 concern that the student-athletes had, was the eligibility piece."
Although Lyons called it a win for the student-athletes, he acknowledged that it could be difficult to manage scholarships and rosters of future teams.
"We have to look at what was right for the student-athlete for this situation," Lyons said. "The eligibility piece, without question in my mind, this is a win for them. As administrators, as coaches, we're going to have to deal with a potential backlog on the back end, but I'm very confident that we've done it in other situations in a yearly basis. It may be greater numbers, but we can work through that with the normal attrition you have on your rosters, as well as discussions with athletes in the coming years about their playing time and their interest in potentially transferring to other institutions.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 15, 2020 20:55:25 GMT -5
I am just hoping that there is a season so that this is a relevant discussion. My fear is that sports seasons are going to start being cancelled based upon the events starting to unfold in NCAA football, plus the second wave of this COVID pandemic that appears to be spreading again. The bubble has proven to work (nba, nhl) I think If they bubble they should be fine
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Post by HometownHoya on Oct 16, 2020 11:08:43 GMT -5
This won't take spots from incoming recruits. It's granting Seniors an extra year of play time while not counting against the scholarship limit. Also just because others are suffering, why does it mean that everyone HAS to suffer. TBH I wish more out there were doing what the NCAA is doing and be more lenient about lost time. This ruling by the NCAA will cost playing time for incoming recruits so, effectively, those with their eligibility extended will be pampered while the incoming will be penalized. It's the incoming recruits that will suffer. The team will also suffer as it attempts to satisfy 13-15 players on the team. The colleges will also suffer as they will either have to swallow the cost of additional scholarships or decide not to offer fifth year scholarships. I hope Georgetown will take the latter approach and announce it will not fund scholarships for the extra year and move on. This is especially the best option since the BB Hoyas did not lose any playing time last season. Millions of people have lost their livelihood, some forever, and we are worried about the poor athletes who met a bump in the road while simultaneously earning a degree? Gimme a break. It may cost playing time but it also might increase their development playing against older guys. I don't see it so black and white. Also, I trust Patrick to be able to throw out "13-15" players if he has to. If anything this will cause Coaches across the country to deepen their rotations, which again might be good for them in the long run...not so black and white. Finally the point is this upcoming season, not last season...that's why it's not retroactively applied to seniors who graduated. If you want a break go ahead and take it, worries about small and big bumps from this pandemic are everywhere. In my industry we depend on people prebuying tickets and season passes and we have guarantees that they can skip this season for any reason and get the full value in 2021/22. This is a common occurrence in response to the virus and I don't see an issue with allowing college athletes the same. Specifically about the poor athletes: yes, we should be worried about our youth...this past year is going to have long lasting psychological effects on all of them. I'm not sure about the atmosphere at Georgetown when you were there but when I was an undergrad a lot of the learning came from interacting with my peers. If we give athletes one more year of that at the risk of a few more scholarships, then so be it...the whole world is in debt anyway.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Oct 16, 2020 11:37:54 GMT -5
Prior to the mid-70s wasn't the Division 1 basketball scholarship limit 15?
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Post by jwp91 on Oct 16, 2020 12:17:53 GMT -5
15 player scholarship rosters with a one-time no sit transfer rule will be recipe for chaos...even more than we have had.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 17, 2020 14:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Oct 17, 2020 14:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 17, 2020 15:01:44 GMT -5
Not surprised. Ivy League brings in little TV money. Probably not enough to offset the cost of bubbling
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 17, 2020 15:03:55 GMT -5
Prior to the mid-70s wasn't the Division 1 basketball scholarship limit 15? Not sure how it works since freshman couldn’t play on the varsity. Like Jabber (Lew Alcindor) had to sit out his freshman year even though he was the best player in the world. Different times
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 17, 2020 18:37:03 GMT -5
Prior to the mid-70s wasn't the Division 1 basketball scholarship limit 15? The reduction from 15 to 13 was approved in 1991; it was actually a 10% reduction in scholarships for ALL sports. Did not take effect for hoops until the 1994-95 season.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 17, 2020 23:24:46 GMT -5
I am skeptical the season will happen or at least in any way resemble a regular season, but I don't think playing outside is viable in the winter, at least in most of the country where it is very cold. Further, I suppose if you played on concrete, it wouldn't be an issue, but all those aircraft carrier games (including our game against Florida) demonstrated that it's not really safe to play on hard wood outside. And masks? With all the contact in basketball, they'd inevitably fall off, and what would you do, stop the game every time that happens? It just doesn't seem realistic. On the eligibility issue, my thought is wait and see. If there's something resembling a regular season, then there's probably little reason to extend eligibility. If, instead, the season gets canceled, or highly truncated, you give it to them. I think one needs to recognize that either way, there are consequences. It's great for players who get to play another year. And, for some teams, it's also a positive to keep experienced guys around. But, no doubt for some schools (especially those that are senior heavy), it will create a bit of a playing time crunch, as people who were expected to leave do not. There are also some coaches who would probably love to move on from some seniors to develop their team with new players. The other impact would be on recruiting. So, it's not as easy a decision as it might seem.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 18, 2020 8:20:27 GMT -5
The spin class outbreak was in a much smaller space and they did everything right except they did not mitigate poor ventilation.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 18, 2020 20:11:06 GMT -5
The spin class outbreak was in a much smaller space and they did everything right except they did not mitigate poor ventilation. They didn't bubble though. You have to bubble if you are going to put on a season.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 18, 2020 20:14:21 GMT -5
The spin class outbreak was in a much smaller space and they did everything right except they did not mitigate poor ventilation. They didn't bubble though. You have to bubble if you are going to put on a season. True, but still apples and oranges. The NFL is a better comparator in that respect (bubbling versus not).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 12:53:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 13:17:32 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 19, 2020 14:51:15 GMT -5
I am curious how the Big East is going to deal with the state-specific quarantines that would seemingly prevent certain conference games.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 19, 2020 15:06:29 GMT -5
I am curious how the Big East is going to deal with the state-specific quarantines that would seemingly prevent certain conference games. It was discussed briefly in last week's Zoom with Val Ackerman and Lee Reed hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/892826/thread
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