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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 16, 2019 19:15:44 GMT -5
LOL at getting turned down by Porter Moser. Hard to understand how St. John's could view Moser as a better fit than Cluess. I guess age? Both have had success at smaller schools, but Cluess is a NY guy who played at St. John's. Moser is a midwest guy. The money thing doesn't make much sense to me. Reports are St. John's hasn't even contacted Iona about the buyout. And the Chicago Tribune just tweeted that St. John's offered Moser $17 million. If that's accurate, there's no way a $2 million buyout is the reason they are avoiding Cluess. Will be interesting to see where they turn from here. Pitino is clearly the best option from a basketball standpoint, and maybe if they go too far down their list they do start to rethink things with him. Why is St. John's apparently cool on Cluess? There has been speculation that Cluess, who started his college playing career at SJU before transferring away, does not get along with his former coach, Louie Carnesecca, and that Carnesecca has exerted pressure on the SJU administration to keep Cluess away from Utopia Parkway. I wouldn't be surprised if Carnesecca still has the same type of authority and influence that we believe that John Thompson has here.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 16, 2019 19:17:09 GMT -5
Maybe he wants to bring Sister Jeanne with him and St. John's doesn't want her. Age discrimination!
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 16, 2019 19:31:38 GMT -5
Here's a name...Fran Dunphy. Just forced out at Temple after the 2017-2018 season. I understand that age would be a consideration, but he can certainly coach and recruit at this level. Uh, Dunphy just retired this season with Temple and Aaron McKie took over (as the coach in waiting for about 5 yrs or so).
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 16, 2019 19:33:00 GMT -5
So far: 1. Hurley 2. Cluess 3. Moser4. ? As the old saying goes, "those who fail to plan, plan to fail." JT3 can bring stability in NYC.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 16, 2019 19:36:39 GMT -5
How do you go into a situation where Mullin takes them to the tournament and is fired. What does the next guy have to do? The college basketball arms race is getting ridiculous. Expectations are out of whack. The problem is that Cragg wasn't there when Mullin took the job. He didn't see first hand how it was complete rebuild (only two end of the bench players returned). He came in as Mullin was final touches of a massive rebuild. Instead of helping him, stabilize the program, he decided to tear it all down. Cragg has no clue of what he's doing. He has never been part of building a program. Duke was Duke when he got there. Congrats St. John's to at least the next seven years of irrelevance. Complete $hit Show...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 16, 2019 19:38:10 GMT -5
LOL at getting turned down by Porter Moser. Hard to understand how St. John's could view Moser as a better fit than Cluess. I guess age? Both have had success at smaller schools, but Cluess is a NY guy who played at St. John's. Moser is a midwest guy. The money thing doesn't make much sense to me. Reports are St. John's hasn't even contacted Iona about the buyout. And the Chicago Tribune just tweeted that St. John's offered Moser $17 million. If that's accurate, there's no way a $2 million buyout is the reason they are avoiding Cluess. Will be interesting to see where they turn from here. Pitino is clearly the best option from a basketball standpoint, and maybe if they go too far down their list they do start to rethink things with him. Why is St. John's apparently cool on Cluess? There has been speculation that Cluess, who started his college playing career at SJU before transferring away, does not get along with his former coach, Louie Carnesecca, and that Carnesecca has exerted pressure on the SJU administration to keep Cluess away from Utopia Parkway. I wouldn't be surprised if Carnesecca still has the same type of authority and influence that we believe that John Thompson has here. They don't want to deal with Coach Cluess's two million dollar buyout. If Carneseca had any power Chris Mullin would still be the coach. Total $hit Show...
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 16, 2019 20:12:19 GMT -5
Here's a name...Fran Dunphy. Just forced out at Temple after the 2017-2018 season. I understand that age would be a consideration, but he can certainly coach and recruit at this level. Uh, Dunphy just retired this season with Temple and Aaron McKie took over (as the coach in waiting for about 5 yrs or so). He didn't retire. Temple announced at the end of the 2017-2018 season that the following season would be Dunphy's last season as head coach, and that associate head coach Aaron McKie would take over.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 16, 2019 22:37:11 GMT -5
Dunphy is 70 years old, has coached in Philly for 50 years, is not going anywhere, and is not the guy to hire to build - or rebuild - a major D1 program. He will still be teaching his course at Temple, and has not totally ruled out coaching in some way, and he knew he'd be stepping down at the end of the recent season. Now I don't know if that qualifies as officially "retired", but it sure sounds like a close imitation. Great guy, great coach... not an SJU candidate.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 17, 2019 7:59:23 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Apr 17, 2019 8:30:58 GMT -5
How many more pages is it going to take before it's Scheyer or Wojo if he and Marquette work something out. I had heard within the last year that the administration and faculty at Marquette really like Wojo (in contrast to Buzz), but after the recent issues with the Hausers and others, it's hard to see him succeeding there long term. This could be a fresh break and reboot for everyone.
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Post by madhoya on Apr 17, 2019 10:25:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 10:34:19 GMT -5
Ot but lol...
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Post by prhoya on Apr 17, 2019 10:52:55 GMT -5
Lol! Ignoring the pace numbers of the last decade’s NCAA champions (listed by 2003) is a great path to success in college basketball. One said it best: “as fast as we can play well”
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 17, 2019 11:25:52 GMT -5
Definitely agree with this take...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 11:41:42 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 17, 2019 11:49:55 GMT -5
A strange analogy. Maybe DePaul is a better comparison. Besides, if St. John's wanted to be Butler, they would have kept football around.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 17, 2019 13:11:17 GMT -5
A strange analogy. Maybe DePaul is a better comparison. Besides, if St. John's wanted to be Butler, they would have kept football around. DePaul doesn't want to be DePaul, Be fair DFW...
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 17, 2019 14:34:26 GMT -5
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Post by justsaying on Apr 17, 2019 14:52:08 GMT -5
As many here have stated; it is hard to believe that SJU started down this road without what seems to be a real plan.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 17, 2019 15:10:24 GMT -5
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