Bigs"R"Us
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,653
|
Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 16, 2019 11:15:56 GMT -5
Maybe, ESPN is plotting the demise of the Big East from within through Duke, i,e., Wojo and Cragg.
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 15,245
|
Post by EtomicB on Apr 16, 2019 11:31:47 GMT -5
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 15,245
|
Post by EtomicB on Apr 16, 2019 11:52:07 GMT -5
I like this actually, think he'd do a nice job... He definitely has a good eye for talent...
|
|
Hoyas4Ever
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
A Wise Man Once Told Me Don't Argue With Fools....
Posts: 5,448
|
Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 16, 2019 13:27:43 GMT -5
This commitment takes Virginia to 12 schollys accounted for if/when guy pops for the Association next season. 13 schollys if Guy returns will be accounted for. I know Coach Bennett could pull a scholly or two from the end of the bench to make room for the Hauser bothers. I personally don't see the fit at Virginia, a school that is known for their elite level defense. The Hauser brothers have glaring defensive limitations. Offensively they fit at a bunch of programs. Defensively they are very limited athletically and laterally. They were exposed at the end of the season... Lazy question but is your math before or after Hunter and Jerome declared? After Hunter and Jerome declared...
|
|
Hoyas4Ever
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
A Wise Man Once Told Me Don't Argue With Fools....
Posts: 5,448
|
Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 16, 2019 13:46:55 GMT -5
I get that 2 million is a lot of money but a program that should consider itself HM shouldn’t think twice about it to get the guy they want... Have to think that Cragg or someone of authority at St. John’s wasn’t enthused about Cluess so the buyout becomes a convenient excuse to look elsewhere... It's not just the two million to buy out Coach Cluess. It's also the four million still owed to Coach Mullin and the 1-2 million dollar annual salary that Coach Cluess's demand. No matter what St. John's and AD Cragg are telling The media, Cluess two million $$$ buy out is a major issue that they want to avoid if possible. The AD Cragg is looking at somewhere between 7-8 million $$$ cost in this unnecessary coaching change. All this adds up to a complete $hit Show!!!
|
|
|
Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 16, 2019 13:54:47 GMT -5
For sure- firing Mullin at this point and in this manner was a horrible move.
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 15,245
|
Post by EtomicB on Apr 16, 2019 13:55:13 GMT -5
I get that 2 million is a lot of money but a program that should consider itself HM shouldn’t think twice about it to get the guy they want... Have to think that Cragg or someone of authority at St. John’s wasn’t enthused about Cluess so the buyout becomes a convenient excuse to look elsewhere... It's not just the two million to buy out Coach Cluess. It's also the four million still owed to Coach Mullin and the 1-2 million dollar annual salary that Coach Cluess's demand. No matter what St. John's and AD Cragg are telling The media, Cluess two million $$$ buy out is a major issue that they want to avoid if possible. The AD Cragg is looking at somewhere between 7-8 million $$$ cost in this unnecessary coaching change. All this adds up to a complete $hit Show!!! It's already been reported that the guy who owns Vitamin Water is going to help fund the coaching search so to me it seems that they don't want Cluess which is a shame in my view...
|
|
|
Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 16, 2019 13:55:59 GMT -5
Clearly there is not a line of 1) qualified candidates at 2) a price SJU can/ is willing to afford who are 3) willing to undertake the major challenge of making SJU a consistent contender.
|
|
njhoya78
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 7,807
|
Post by njhoya78 on Apr 16, 2019 16:09:14 GMT -5
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 15,245
|
Post by EtomicB on Apr 16, 2019 16:14:10 GMT -5
Cragg should give St. Jean a shot at this point, the recruiting period starts on Friday & AAU ball kicks off on 4/26...
|
|
DFW HOYA
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,861
|
Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 16, 2019 16:17:06 GMT -5
So far:
1. Hurley 2. Cluess 3. Moser 4. ?
As the old saying goes, "those who fail to plan, plan to fail."
|
|
njhoya78
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 7,807
|
Post by njhoya78 on Apr 16, 2019 16:21:24 GMT -5
Here's a name...Fran Dunphy. Just forced out at Temple after the 2017-2018 season. I understand that age would be a consideration, but he can certainly coach and recruit at this level.
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 15,245
|
Post by EtomicB on Apr 16, 2019 16:25:50 GMT -5
|
|
njhoya78
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 7,807
|
Post by njhoya78 on Apr 16, 2019 16:36:12 GMT -5
Could this coaching search have been conducted any more ineptly?
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 16, 2019 16:45:36 GMT -5
Could this coaching search have been conducted any more ineptly? I was just thinking the same thing. As much as I criticized the search at Georgetown in 2017, even though there wasn't a real "search," there was at least a plan that culminated in Ewing's hire. It was relatively quick and Georgetown never looked like it was flailing. This is what happens when you make a move without plan. Obviously, you can't always been 100% sure what everybody is going to do, but the sequence of (a) Mullin is getting fired rumors, (b) giving Mullin a vote of confidence, (c) firing him shortly thereafter, and (d) being turned down by coaches in the Missouri Valley Conference makes them look like the Keystone Cops. Now, they are going to be very hard pressed to get a high quality candidate. It makes you wonder if they'll get desperate enough to stoop to Pitino. Dunphy is old (70), and may have no interest, but would be a quality shorter term (maybe 5 years) type of hire that would be a lot better than they could with a lot of other picks.
|
|
Bigs"R"Us
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,653
|
Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 16, 2019 16:55:27 GMT -5
I don’t think you make a slash with a 5 year coach and you can’t recruit in the outer years. Need to think long term, but the optics look horrible. They expect a bargain coach to bring them back to prominence? Feel bad for Mullin.
|
|
RBHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,143
|
Post by RBHoya on Apr 16, 2019 17:08:51 GMT -5
Still hoping that this becomes a bad enough PR situation that after several glasses of hard liquor Cragg takes a long drag on a cigarette and tells his assistant "F it, get Pitino on the phone..."
Don't be a coward, Cragg. If this hire doesn't work out, Cragg is gone in the next 3 or 4 years for sure. Would you rather roll the dice that a champion coach like Pitino could rebuild the team to respectability and stay clean that long, or that your 5th choice from some obscure mid-major will actually be able to take this team from the mess it is at present to respectability in that same time frame?
What about Tommy Amaker? Duke connection for Cragg, coached in the NY metro area previously, has had decent success in his current gig. He may not want to leave Harvard for SJU, but if he wants to succeed K in a few years I think he'll need to move up another level. Don't think he'd get the Duke gig off of success at Harvard, but if he has success at the Big East level over the next 5 years he's very possibly their first call. Bonus for us would be that Ledlum might re-open.
Is there any buzz for Mark Jackson? Too similar to Mullin? Or too expensive? I suppose there are crossovers with Mullin in that he's primarily an NBA guy and might rub some people the wrong way in thinking he's selected solely because he's an alumnus. But the guy did spend a few years as a head coach in the NBA, so being a head coach in general, running a practice, diagramming plays, situational awareness etc. wouldn't be new like it was for Mullin. Recruiting and the intricacies of the college game would be, but could be mitigated by a good staff (yes, same was said about his predecessor). Seems worth a look though, better than scraping the bottom of the MAAC barrel. If I'm them, I look at bringing in Jackson as a head coach, and then in his opening press conference I have him declare that any NYC player who chooses to go to another school rather than staying home and playing under the bright lights at the world's most famous arena is turning his back on the city of New York. The fan base, and the city, might just respond to that kind of thing. They're getting close to needing something a little outside the box.
|
|
gujake
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 831
|
Post by gujake on Apr 16, 2019 17:39:28 GMT -5
LOL at getting turned down by Porter Moser.
Hard to understand how St. John's could view Moser as a better fit than Cluess. I guess age? Both have had success at smaller schools, but Cluess is a NY guy who played at St. John's. Moser is a midwest guy. The money thing doesn't make much sense to me. Reports are St. John's hasn't even contacted Iona about the buyout. And the Chicago Tribune just tweeted that St. John's offered Moser $17 million. If that's accurate, there's no way a $2 million buyout is the reason they are avoiding Cluess.
Will be interesting to see where they turn from here. Pitino is clearly the best option from a basketball standpoint, and maybe if they go too far down their list they do start to rethink things with him.
|
|
Bigs"R"Us
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,653
|
Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 16, 2019 17:46:02 GMT -5
How do you go into a situation where Mullin takes them to the tournament and is fired. What does the next guy have to do? The college basketball arms race is getting ridiculous. Expectations are out of whack.
|
|
njhoya78
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 7,807
|
Post by njhoya78 on Apr 16, 2019 19:11:27 GMT -5
How do you go into a situation where Mullin takes them to the tournament and is fired. What does the next guy have to do? The college basketball arms race is getting ridiculous. Expectations are out of whack. At least the expectations on this board are always rationally based and expressed.
|
|