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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 10, 2019 22:39:51 GMT -5
If you watched the games, Mullin wasn’t leading the huddles. I read SJU board posts claiming that Mullin was not running practice. If you don’t run practice and you don’t run in-game huddles, I’m not sure how you earn your salary. To compensate, you’d need to be one helluva recruiter and retainer of talent.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 10, 2019 23:39:26 GMT -5
If this new Athletic Director is looking to get started on the right path, and part of that was getting rid of Mullin, why would he consider hiring Pitino? Yes, he is an excellent basketball coach. And without his personal history, I would take him as my coach in a heartbeat.
All that said, Pitino's role in the FBI investigation is still out there, even if he is never convicted or indicted he clearly lacked institutional control over Louisville and allowed bad things to happen on his watch, not to mention the strip club incidents he supposedly didn't know about and his own dalliances.
The guy is a phenomenal basketball coach, but a highly questionable human being. I just don't see how any athletic director with a conscience could possibly hire him. That said, there are schools that want to win so badly that it wouldn't surprise me if he shows up coaching somewhere eventually. When schools are desperate they will overlook a lot.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 11, 2019 6:22:32 GMT -5
If you watched the games, Mullin wasn’t leading the huddles. I read SJU board posts claiming that Mullin was not running practice. If you don’t run practice and you don’t run in-game huddles, I’m not sure how you earn your salary. To compensate, you’d need to be one helluva recruiter and retainer of talent. To draw a parallel to another story in the news, I think Mullin's idea of being the head coach of St. Johns was similar to what Magic Johnson wanted to be as the President of Basketball Ops for the Lakers. In both cases the guys loved the team they were working for and wanted to help lead them back to success. But both really just wanted to be figureheads who could put a nice, lovable face forward to the public. Both guys seemed to really try to delegate a lot of their responsibilities, and didn't really have the appetite (or perhaps the aptitude) for the nuts and bolts of the job that most of their peers/competitors who had really earned their positions had. The idea of putting a beloved son into these kinds of positions can seem great but sometimes when these things seem too good to be true, there's a reason for it. Hopefully Georgetown proves a counter-example.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 11, 2019 6:57:58 GMT -5
Pat seems to be grinding and engaged.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 11, 2019 7:46:37 GMT -5
Hopefully Georgetown proves a counter-example. Pat is a totally different human being and story. There has always been skepticism about former NBA players as college coaches. • Do they have the drive to push through a long development period to succeed? • Can they teach and coach kids who are far less talented than they were? Without getting frustrated? • How will they handle the hours, days and weeks -- year round - required to be successful recruiters? • Recruiting is like hitting in baseball - even the best players miss far more often than they succeed.How will he be able to handle the disappointments? • What about all the negative press sure to be coming his way after each loss? • Does he have enough of a grasp of technique? Fundamentals? to teach both front court and backcourt talent? • Does he have enough of a grasp of Xs and Os? to be an effective head coach at the D1 level? • Has he achieved so much and is he so comfortable with all the $$ earned over years as a pro to slog through all that is required to build a college basketball program from the ground up? On most of those points, Pat already proved himself - over a 15 year period as an NBA assistant. The hours of work, flights all over the country, living out of a suitcase, disappointing losses. Working with college kids who jumped to the NBA who have the talent, but not the fundamentals to succeed. His determination to get a HC position, despite years of disrespect from owners and GMs. Pat has worked hard at every level throughout his career and is still doing so. Comparing Mullin to Ewing as a college HC? Well, there really is no comparison. None of this guarantees Pat will succeed at GU to the level we all want him to. But if he does not, it won't be for lack of effort. In my personal view, he has already achieved enough to justify the decision to hire him. Roster is improving. On court performance getting better. W's and L's improving. There is still a long way to go, but I am optimistic. And I can't think of a more inspirational story than for Coach Ewing to build a program in his image and succeed the way he did as a player. He has always been a solid human being and an outstanding representative of Georgetown University. We are darn lucky to have him.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 11, 2019 7:55:53 GMT -5
Pat seems to be grinding and engaged. Exactly!!! People can disagree with some of Coach Ewing's coaching philosophies and in game moves if they want, (I personally think they are a significant improvement over the last coaching staff) but I don't see where anyone can argue that he is not putting in the work and grinding to make the program better. His work ethic coaching seems to match his work ethic as a player to me. Does that make him a Hall of Fame coach? I guess only time and performance can tell us that but I think the program has a guy who is fully invested in improving the program.
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Post by vv83 on Apr 11, 2019 8:31:36 GMT -5
Pat seems to be grinding and engaged. Exactly!!! People can disagree with some of Coach Ewing's coaching philosophies and in game moves if they want, (I personally think they are a significant improvement over the last coaching staff) but I don't see where anyone can argue that he is not putting in the work and grinding to make the program better. His work ethic coaching seems to match his work ethic as a player to me. Does that make him a Hall of Fame coach? I guess only time and performance can tell us that but I think the program has a guy who is fully invested in improving the program. Ewing may or may not end up being a good head coach. But if he does not succeed, it certainly won't be due to lack of work ethic, or because he does not know how to run a team/program in a coherent, organized fashion. His success or failure is going to be based on recruiting, strategy, player development, etc. All the normal stuff that dictates success for most coaches. We definitely won't end up with the kind of embarrassing situation that St. John's now has to clean up.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 11, 2019 9:38:14 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 11, 2019 10:59:52 GMT -5
Corey Evans @coreyevans_10
St. John's wing LJ Figueroa has entered his name into the transfer portal, a source tells @rivals. One of the top available this spring that averaged over 14 points and six rebounds last season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 11:02:51 GMT -5
Heh
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 11, 2019 11:20:20 GMT -5
While I believe Coach Cluess would be the best hire possible for St. John's long term, I'm not sure your fire the previous coach who inherited a dumpster fire when taking the job, took the ashes and built the program back up improving their win totals every season to a tournament team this year. Ohh and that Coach also happens to be the best player in program history.
If your the AD and fire Coach Mullin, you gotta knock it out of the park with the hire of his replacement. The AD Cragg created chaos when their didn't need to be. The fact that the AD leaked he was after Coach Hurley but didn't do his homework behind the scenes in what it would take to get him. Not a really good look on his first major decision. Lucky for him, out looks like he will fail up if he hires Coach Cluess...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 11, 2019 12:11:48 GMT -5
While I believe Coach Cluess would be the best hire possible for St. John's long term, I'm not sure your fire the previous coach who inherited a dumpster fire when taking the job, took the ashes and built the program back up improving their win totals every season to a tournament team this year. Ohh and that Coach also happens to be the best player in program history. I think St. John's would settle with Cluess but should try to aim higher. FWIW, MAAC coaches of the year since 2001 have been a mixed bag. 2001: Dave Magarity 2002: Don Harnum 2003: Bobby Gonzalez 2004: Tim O'Toole 2005: Joe Mihalich 2006: Bobby Gonzalez 2007: Matt Brady 2008: Tommy Dempsey 2009: Fran McCaffery 2010: Kevin Willard 2011: Ed Cooley 2012: Jimmy Patsos 2013: Joe Mihalich 2014: Tim Cluess 2015: Kevin Baggett 2016: King Rice 2017: King Rice 2018: Kevin Baggett 2019: Tim Cluess
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 11, 2019 14:35:55 GMT -5
While I believe Coach Cluess would be the best hire possible for St. John's long term, I'm not sure your fire the previous coach who inherited a dumpster fire when taking the job, took the ashes and built the program back up improving their win totals every season to a tournament team this year. Ohh and that Coach also happens to be the best player in program history. I think St. John's would settle with Cluess but should try to aim higher. FWIW, MAAC coaches of the year since 2001 have been a mixed bag. 2001: Dave Magarity 2002: Don Harnum 2003: Bobby Gonzalez 2004: Tim O'Toole 2005: Joe Mihalich 2006: Bobby Gonzalez 2007: Matt Brady 2008: Tommy Dempsey 2009: Fran McCaffery 2010: Kevin Willard 2011: Ed Cooley 2012: Jimmy Patsos 2013: Joe Mihalich 2014: Tim Cluess 2015: Kevin Baggett 2016: King Rice 2017: King Rice 2018: Kevin Baggett 2019: Tim Cluess I should have emphasized the word possible in my original post by bolding or underlining it when I said Coach Cluess is the best possible hire St. John's can make at this time. By the way your take on what other MAAC coaches of the year have done is ridiculous and pointless. Coach Tom Dempsey's, Coach Ed Cooley, or Coach King Rice's success or failure have ZERO bearing on Coach Cluess's future success or failures and vice versa...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 11, 2019 15:06:58 GMT -5
The problem for SJU is that the clock is ticking. They need someone good in place before everyone leaves and kids have all committed.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 11, 2019 15:12:29 GMT -5
Tim Cluess was the most successful coach at my HS, St. Mary's in Manhasset, LI. He was so successful that he was essentially run out of the league by the rest of the coaches. I believe Tim and his brother both went to St. John's. Tim coached Danny Green at St. Mary's among others and was probably the reason Jessie went there for one or two years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 15:17:30 GMT -5
The problem for SJU is that the clock is ticking. They need someone good in place before everyone leaves and kids have all committed. You certainly don't want to wait too long, but their goose is already cooked for next year. You don't have to rush this hire. Best they can hope for recruiting-wise is a Ewing 2017-type salvage job. If you can get 1 or 2 pieces who can help you down the road it's a win - b/c you're gonna be 10th in the Big East anyway. The new coach has to eat a big 1-season turd no matter what.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 11, 2019 16:29:09 GMT -5
Kids will get minutes, play on Fox and in MSG. They will get pummeled though.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 11, 2019 16:42:36 GMT -5
The problem for SJU is that the clock is ticking. They need someone good in place before everyone leaves and kids have all committed. You certainly don't want to wait too long, but their goose is already cooked for next year. You don't have to rush this hire. Best they can hope for recruiting-wise is a Ewing 2017-type salvage job. If you can get 1 or 2 pieces who can help you down the road it's a win - b/c you're gonna be 10th in the Big East anyway. The new coach has to eat a big 1-season turd no matter what. When there is a coaching change, the normal practice within the business is to give the new coach and his staff a free pass in their first season/year because of lack of opportunity to recruit "their players", defections from the program, and other obstacles that can be involved such as program rehabilitation (Louisville). That's typically why college coaching contracts start now at a minimum of 6 years. First year is a throwaway, next three years is what coaches are evaluated on. That takes you to the end of 4th year and that's typically where an extension is granted. A minimum two year extension is usually the norm to allow the coach to go out and recruit and tell prospects "I'll be there throughout your time on campus". Not getting an extension after your 4th year makes it a very hard to recruit as other programs will use the coaches contract situation against them and even harder to improve or maintain your staff. St. John's is essentially in a total rebuild now. A team that was an NCAA Tournament team and had 3 highly talented starters back and a very good group of players recruited/transfering/sitting out in which would have addressed the programs biggest issue during Coach Mullin's tenure, team depth. That roster and added depth would have had a legitimate chance to return to the NCAA tournament next season. So why after he finally built the roster (had 2 end of the bench players total returning when he was hired) would you choose to tear it down and start over? If you do, you better have a big time replacement that will excite the base to rally behind. Let's face facts Coach Mullin started to get the city excited again about St. John's basketball. If he got St. John's to the point it was going to the tournament annually he would own the city and you wouldn't have to worry about him leaving for a better college job. Not sure there is a coach St. John's can reasonably get that the city/fan base would unite behind more then Coach Mullin...
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