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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 10, 2019 12:08:13 GMT -5
It’s a dirty business, that’s all. Can’t deny that. Very optimistic about our Hoyas and the direction of the program.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2019 12:34:22 GMT -5
It’s a dirty business, that’s all. Can’t deny that. Very optimistic about our Hoyas and the direction of the program. I'm not denying that it's flawed/dirty, I'm just trying to understand why you seem so fixated on that part of cbb...
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2019 12:35:26 GMT -5
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Apr 10, 2019 13:50:38 GMT -5
Mullin never passed the eye test at St. Johns. I remember his first season watching him on the bench while is team was playing with no discipline whatsoever. He just sat there not reacting, seeming almost disinterested, as his team threw the ball out of bounds, jacked up wild shots, ran exclusive one man isolation "plays", played no defense, etc. I thought at the time well, it's not his team yet, maybe he's doing what he needs to to keep them engaged while he slowly changes the culture and recruits. As time went on things didn't seem to change much and he never seemed fully in control of his team even when their talent level rose. Or recall those in-game shots of his assistant running the timeouts this season... as many of us indicated at the time, it just didn't look right.
I'm not surprised he's gone.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 10, 2019 14:09:02 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 10, 2019 14:30:24 GMT -5
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 10, 2019 14:33:19 GMT -5
Mullin never passed the eye test at St. Johns. I remember his first season watching him on the bench while is team was playing with no discipline whatsoever. He just sat there not reacting, seeming almost disinterested, as his team threw the ball out of bounds, jacked up wild shots, ran exclusive one man isolation "plays", played no defense, etc. I thought at the time well, it's not his team yet, maybe he's doing what he needs to to keep them engaged while he slowly changes the culture and recruits. As time went on things didn't seem to change much and he never seemed fully in control of his team even when their talent level rose. Or recall those in-game shots of his assistant running the timeouts this season... as many of us indicated at the time, it just didn't look right. I'm not surprised he's gone. Honestly thats one of my biggest reasons why I'm not worried about Pat falling down the same route. Pat wants to be here and is willing to grind as hard as he needs to to succeed. We never really saw much to indicate Mullin loved what he was doing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 10, 2019 14:36:36 GMT -5
If you watched the games, Mullin wasn’t leading the huddles.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2019 15:36:35 GMT -5
Mullin never passed the eye test at St. Johns. I remember his first season watching him on the bench while is team was playing with no discipline whatsoever. He just sat there not reacting, seeming almost disinterested, as his team threw the ball out of bounds, jacked up wild shots, ran exclusive one man isolation "plays", played no defense, etc. I thought at the time well, it's not his team yet, maybe he's doing what he needs to to keep them engaged while he slowly changes the culture and recruits. As time went on things didn't seem to change much and he never seemed fully in control of his team even when their talent level rose. Or recall those in-game shots of his assistant running the timeouts this season... as many of us indicated at the time, it just didn't look right. I'm not surprised he's gone. I get what you're saying but the foundation of the program isn't sound right now, to me the AD had a chance to address those issues before searching for a new coach... This article was posted in February.. redstormsports.com/news/2019/2/4/general-st-johns-athletics-to-develop-new-strategic-and-master-facilities-plans.aspxNow he's tasked with doing both at the same time, good luck with that... Not sure why Hurley would leave ASU and all of its very solid resources to come to St. John's
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 10, 2019 16:02:06 GMT -5
Mullin never passed the eye test at St. Johns. I remember his first season watching him on the bench while is team was playing with no discipline whatsoever. He just sat there not reacting, seeming almost disinterested, as his team threw the ball out of bounds, jacked up wild shots, ran exclusive one man isolation "plays", played no defense, etc. I thought at the time well, it's not his team yet, maybe he's doing what he needs to to keep them engaged while he slowly changes the culture and recruits. As time went on things didn't seem to change much and he never seemed fully in control of his team even when their talent level rose. Or recall those in-game shots of his assistant running the timeouts this season... as many of us indicated at the time, it just didn't look right. I'm not surprised he's gone. I get what you're saying but the foundation of the program isn't sound right now, to me the AD had a chance to address those issues before searching for a new coach... This article was posted in February.. redstormsports.com/news/2019/2/4/general-st-johns-athletics-to-develop-new-strategic-and-master-facilities-plans.aspxNow he's tasked with doing both at the same time, good luck with that... Not sure why Hurley would leave ASU and all of its very solid resources to come to St. John's To return to the East Coast and spend a few years at home before taking over for Coach K at Duke.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 10, 2019 16:57:58 GMT -5
Not sure why Hurley would leave ASU and all of its very solid resources to come to St. John's To return to the East Coast and spend a few years at home before taking over for Coach K at Duke. Why would he want to? With few exceptions, those who choose to follow after their school's legend either fail or, through no fault of their own, pale in comparison. We remember names like John Wooden, Bob Knight, Lute Olson, Dean Smith, and John Thompson, but not as much for Gene Bartow, Mike Davis, Kevin O'Neill, Bill Guthridge, and Craig Esherick. For its part, Duke ought to go in a different direction after Krzyzewski leaves. It was Duke, after all, that passed on many likely successors to Bill Foster to pick a 33 year old head coach at Army.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 10, 2019 17:19:23 GMT -5
I agree with this, but difficult to execute. Too tempting to play it safe by hiring someone familiar. Also, can seem disrespectful to the old regime by going completely outside. We may have been better off without the Esh + JT3 years. Who knows? We do try to sell the family aspect of the program.
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Post by HoyaDr on Apr 10, 2019 17:44:19 GMT -5
I agree with this, but difficult to execute. Too tempting to play it safe by hiring someone familiar. Also, can seem disrespectful to the old regime by going completely outside. We may have been better off without the Esh + JT3 years. Who knows? We do try to sell the family aspect of the program. I was an undergrad student at Georgetown during our runs to Sweet 16 and FF with Jeff and Roy and company. And I was a med student during those early tourney exits with Greg and then Otto. But we had great regular seasons those years. Those were some of the best experiences of my life thus far so those early JT3 years have a special place in my heart. Can't say we would be better off without those years. Also Georgetown is about family. My father has been a physician at Georgetown since 1987. He took me and my older brother to games when we were kids. I even remember US Airways Arena. And both my older brother and I went to undergrad and med school together as we are only 2 years apart.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Apr 10, 2019 17:46:51 GMT -5
To return to the East Coast and spend a few years at home before taking over for Coach K at Duke. Why would he want to? With few exceptions, those who choose to follow after their school's legend either fail or, through no fault of their own, pale in comparison. We remember names like John Wooden, Bob Knight, Lute Olson, Dean Smith, and John Thompson, but not as much for Gene Bartow, Mike Davis, Kevin O'Neill, Bill Guthridge, and Craig Esherick. For its part, Duke ought to go in a different direction after Krzyzewski leaves. It was Duke, after all, that passed on many likely successors to Bill Foster to pick a 33 year old head coach at Army. I’m only disagreeing with the point that people don’t remember Gene Bartow or Bill Guthridge. Both are well and fondly remembered.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 10, 2019 18:01:11 GMT -5
I took the buses out to Landover too. Fond memories of when we were on top. Hard to climb back to relevance these days.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 10, 2019 18:27:00 GMT -5
I was an undergrad student at Georgetown during our runs to Sweet 16 and FF with Jeff and Roy and company. And I was a med student during those early tourney exits with Greg and then Otto. But we had great regular seasons those years. Those were some of the best experiences of my life thus far so those early JT3 years have a special place in my heart. Can't say we would be better off without those years. Also Georgetown is about family. My father has been a physician at Georgetown since 1987. He took me and my older brother to games when we were kids. I even remember US Airways Arena. And both my older brother and I went to undergrad and med school together as we are only 2 years apart. John Wooden didn't go to school at UCLA, he played at Purdue. Dean Smith was from Kansas. Bob Knight competed against Indiana in college--because he's an Ohio State grad. If Georgetown had taken a "family only" approach in 1972, Ed McNamara would have been the front runner as the next coach. How do you build a family? By growing it. There are alumni that have been rightly successful at their alma mater--Lou Carnesecca, Jim Boeheim, Gary Williams, Roy Williams, etc., etc. But it still comes down to the best candidate, and St. John's opted to go with a name from past instead of building for the future, and four years later, they're back at square one. The Final Four coaches were graduates of Wisconsin-Green Bay, Texas, Northern Michigan, and Boston College, not Virginia, Texas Tech, Michigan State, and Auburn.
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 10, 2019 19:11:12 GMT -5
That would be a fantastic hire for the Big East, not so good for Georgetown. Say what you want about Pitino, but he is one hell of a coach. He could be a real terror with NYC as his home recruiting turf. And let’s not get into mud-slinging re to Rick’s antics at UL lest we forget our coach has some brass pole skeletons in his closet as well. Hiring Pitino is absolutely not “beneath” St. John’s.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2019 19:15:03 GMT -5
If Francesa is agreeing with me, I may want to change my mind. That guy is completely looney. Hey I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.... Francesa says Cluess would stay @ St. John's for 15+ years...
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 10, 2019 19:19:51 GMT -5
If Francesa is agreeing with me, I may want to change my mind. That guy is completely looney. Hey I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.... Francesa says Cluess would stay @ St. John's for 15+ years... How many 76-year old+ coaches are currently leading high major programs?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2019 19:30:10 GMT -5
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