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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 9, 2019 15:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 9, 2019 15:34:57 GMT -5
Vitamin Water owner ready to pony up cash for a coach? “According to a source, Rick Pitino reached out to the school on Monday expressing interest if the job opened up.“
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 9, 2019 15:35:25 GMT -5
Dang- bad news. The Big East needs stability. From my perspective, Mullin accomplished something by getting the Redmen back to the Big Dance. Sad to hear this news.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 9, 2019 15:35:47 GMT -5
This smells like a hit/hatchet job by the new AD that was in the works for a while and only a tournament run could have preempted. If you're the AD at St. John's, you're going to sink or swim based on the basketball program. One year into the gig, you're staring at Chris Mullin as your head coach having just lost his main recruiter and top two recruits. Mullin in his four years hasn't impressed anybody as an in-game coach. Despite getting off to a great start this season, against a relatively weak out-of-conference schedule, the Red Storm stumble home to barely make the NCAA Tournament and then lose a play-in game that wasn't particularly close. Why in the world, as Athletic Director at St. John's, would you hitch your wagon to Chris Mullin? This doesn't smell like a hatchet job at all. It smells like Mullin going to the administration and trying to get a contract extension, the AD saying "no way, you've got a lot more to prove before you get an extension", and Mullin not liking the response. Which is Mullin's right, but for the life of me, I can't understand how anybody would think the AD's acting in anything but an extremely rational fashion. I tend to think the AD played his hand too soon, he wasn't under any pressure to do anything with Mullin... He could have used the extra time to get started on a practice facility ECT... Now, the clock has started ticking on his tenure as AD...
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 9, 2019 15:51:42 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 9, 2019 15:52:34 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 9, 2019 16:22:43 GMT -5
The SJU AD was recently hired from Duke where he spent 30 years. This smells, but that’s how the world works these days.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 9, 2019 16:23:24 GMT -5
While I generally have a longer leash than most, I see the rationale for it. With Ponds leaving and Abdelmassih going to Nebraska, and the player decommitments, realistically St. John's was going to be in very bad shape next year with Mullin. Even if he retained his recruits, it would likely still have been a significant step back from this past year.
Still, I would have probably given Mullin another year. If he figured something out great. If not, then at least you let him finish with a bad season and then the decision is easier come next March. All that said, if there's basically zero chance he can turn things around (likely), there's probably not much point in prolonging the pain.
What's sort of ironic about Pitino is that I recall when Lavin left, how his name was mentioned (but in a mostly not serious way). Funny how much things can change in a few short years.
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Post by vv83 on Apr 9, 2019 17:08:28 GMT -5
Mullin was a clear failure, despite getting to the tournament this season. Their success this past year was due to Abdelmassih's recruiting, and Ponds' performance. Once these two left, there was no reason to keep Mullin. He brought little more than a name and some fairly ancient history to the position. They need to start from scratch - again, since they started from scratch with mullin. Simon and Trimble are leaving, The only thing that would keep Heron there is not wanting to sit out a second transfer season - don't be surprised if he declares for the draft, even though he is unlikely to get drafted. He would probably rather go play in the G League or abroad then play for a program that is starting over for two more years. although he might get all the shots if he sticks around!
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 9, 2019 17:35:38 GMT -5
Will the last Johnnie out please turn off the lights and shut the door behind you....
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 9, 2019 18:51:20 GMT -5
If you're the AD at St. John's, you're going to sink or swim based on the basketball program. One year into the gig, you're staring at Chris Mullin as your head coach having just lost his main recruiter and top two recruits. Mullin in his four years hasn't impressed anybody as an in-game coach. Despite getting off to a great start this season, against a relatively weak out-of-conference schedule, the Red Storm stumble home to barely make the NCAA Tournament and then lose a play-in game that wasn't particularly close. Why in the world, as Athletic Director at St. John's, would you hitch your wagon to Chris Mullin? This doesn't smell like a hatchet job at all. It smells like Mullin going to the administration and trying to get a contract extension, the AD saying "no way, you've got a lot more to prove before you get an extension", and Mullin not liking the response. Which is Mullin's right, but for the life of me, I can't understand how anybody would think the AD's acting in anything but an extremely rational fashion. I tend to think the AD played his hand too soon, he wasn't under any pressure to do anything with Mullin... He could have used the extra time to get started on a practice facility ECT... Now, the clock has started ticking on his tenure as AD... Absolutely spot on Etomic! The AD had an opportunity to build around Mullin. Prop him up to be as successful as possible, unite the alumni together and use this as a way to build up the boosters and milk them for donations to build the program. Instead you alienated the greatest player in program history after four years in which the program improvemed every year and Coach Mullin finally built the roster. Your absolutely right Etomic, the coach the AD hires success/failure will be tied directly to his. He could have easily given Mullin a 2 year extension at close to the same number and give him the full support. Mean while he could use Mullin to raise money. In 2 years if the program took a step back he could go to the president of the school to make the change. By making this move, the AD has started the clock on his job two years earlier then what was truly necessary...
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Post by drquigley on Apr 9, 2019 19:14:09 GMT -5
The only reason I am saddened by Mullin's departure is that, despite a very talented roster, he managed to keep the Hoyas out of the BE basement for the last two years. Face it, he was a terrible coach and his teams played with all the intelligence and poise of my intramural team.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 9, 2019 19:41:40 GMT -5
As much as I can't stand him, Bobby Hurley would be an excellent hire for the Johnnies.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 10, 2019 0:42:11 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 10, 2019 5:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 10, 2019 6:18:08 GMT -5
I expect that the Hurley thing is probably fait accompli and was arranged via back channels prior to parting with Mullin, but I'm 100% in on the Pitino thing. It would bring so much attention and buzz to the league, and it could quickly turn St. Johns into a power. And if it flames out or turns into a circus, so what? It's not my alma mater. I'd rather see them go for a big name and boom or bust than to hire someone like the Iona coach and hope to very slowly and patiently rebuild the program over 3-5 years. Yawn.
If it didn't work out it might be embarrassing for the school but not really for the league, so from Georgetown's perspective I'd support it wholeheartedly. I was hoping Depaul gave him a look next off-season when they inevitably fire Leitao, but him being in NYC would be even better for the league's publicity.
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Apr 10, 2019 7:50:56 GMT -5
I expect that the Hurley thing is probably fait accompli and was arranged via back channels prior to parting with Mullin, but I'm 100% in on the Pitino thing. It would bring so much attention and buzz to the league, and it could quickly turn St. Johns into a power. And if it flames out or turns into a circus, so what? It's not my alma mater. I'd rather see them go for a big name and boom or bust than to hire someone like the Iona coach and hope to very slowly and patiently rebuild the program over 3-5 years. Yawn. If it didn't work out it might be embarrassing for the school but not really for the league, so from Georgetown's perspective I'd support it wholeheartedly. I was hoping Depaul gave him a look next off-season when they inevitably fire Leitao, but him being in NYC would be even better for the league's publicity. Pitino the coach would be a great fit for St. Johns and the Big East. Unfortunately Pitino the man belongs nowhere near US college hoops. He's proven that repeatedly. He's good where he is, out of sight, thousands of miles away coaching pros.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 10, 2019 9:49:36 GMT -5
College hoops has come down to the level of Pitino.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 10, 2019 10:45:09 GMT -5
I expect that the Hurley thing is probably fait accompli and was arranged via back channels prior to parting with Mullin, but I'm 100% in on the Pitino thing. It would bring so much attention and buzz to the league, and it could quickly turn St. Johns into a power. And if it flames out or turns into a circus, so what? It's not my alma mater. I'd rather see them go for a big name and boom or bust than to hire someone like the Iona coach and hope to very slowly and patiently rebuild the program over 3-5 years. Yawn. If it didn't work out it might be embarrassing for the school but not really for the league, so from Georgetown's perspective I'd support it wholeheartedly. I was hoping Depaul gave him a look next off-season when they inevitably fire Leitao, but him being in NYC would be even better for the league's publicity. Dan Synder is that you?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2019 10:46:10 GMT -5
College hoops has come down to the level of Pitino. How so? VA Tech hired a coach from Wofford. Alabama hired a coach from Buffalo. Vandy went a coach who's never had a college job. We all know CBB isn't perfect but I don't get your constant doom & gloom outlook on it
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