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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 11, 2019 19:10:25 GMT -5
I'd love to have Figueroa, but I know there is no chance of that. He was one guy on that team that you could count on to regularly play hard at both ends.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 11, 2019 21:24:59 GMT -5
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 11, 2019 21:57:39 GMT -5
I bet we will here some other former Dukie names mentioned with the St. John's job before the AD "settles" for Coach Cluess. At worst the AD Cragg did his boy Coach Hurley a solid by forcing Arizona State to pony up more $$$ and years via an extension. Maybe he will do the same for other former Dukies. Maybe Dawkins or Amacker need a raise/extension...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 4:29:44 GMT -5
Idk what St Johns is waiting on tbh. Cluess with the right staff could be a force to reckon with in a couple of years.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 12, 2019 8:31:17 GMT -5
I saw a bunch of players from Xavier, (Marshall, Jones and a couple of others) have declared for this years draft. I assume some/most of them are just testing the waters and will return but if a few of them actually do leave early, that program will be looking at a complete rebuild for next year. I don't really see any of them as having a legit chance of being drafted this year, so it is interesting that many kids would declare.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 12, 2019 8:59:10 GMT -5
So why after he finally built the roster (had 2 end of the bench players total returning when he was hired) would you choose to tear it down and start over. If you do, you better have a big time replacement that will excite the base to rally behind. Let's face facts Coach Mullin started to get the city excited again about St. John's basketball. If he got St. John's to the point it was going to the tournament annually he would own the city and you wouldn't have to worry about him leaving for a better college job. Not sure there is a coach St. John's can reasonably get that the city/fan base would unite behind more then Coach Mullin... I agree with your general point. My only objection is that I think regardless of whether Mullin stayed or left, the roster would likely have been pretty much in shambles next year. Put another way, with Ponds, Mullin had the team barely as an NCAA team, and likely was facing a roster with worse talent next year. And if Mullin didn't make the tournament next year, he definitely would have been fired, so why not just do it now? That's the logic at least. I definitely think there's a good argument for having given him another year (especially with his strong connection to the school), but given Mullin's lack of success thus far (and only moderate success this year with a pretty good roster), I think a change is reasonable under the circumstances. For me, the fact that Mullin simply didn't seem engaged or a hard worker (relying much on his lead recruiter) is another factor weighing against giving him the extra year. If he was busting his butt trying to get recruits, etc., I could see being more lenient, but that simply did not seem to be the case based on a lot of different reports.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 11:02:31 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 12, 2019 11:20:37 GMT -5
Good for Marquette and the BE...
I expect to hear the same from Powell...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 12, 2019 11:25:51 GMT -5
So why after he finally built the roster (had 2 end of the bench players total returning when he was hired) would you choose to tear it down and start over. If you do, you better have a big time replacement that will excite the base to rally behind. Let's face facts Coach Mullin started to get the city excited again about St. John's basketball. If he got St. John's to the point it was going to the tournament annually he would own the city and you wouldn't have to worry about him leaving for a better college job. Not sure there is a coach St. John's can reasonably get that the city/fan base would unite behind more then Coach Mullin... I agree with your general point. My only objection is that I think regardless of whether Mullin stayed or left, the roster would likely have been pretty much in shambles next year. Put another way, with Ponds, Mullin had the team barely as an NCAA team, and likely was facing a roster with worse talent next year. And if Mullin didn't make the tournament next year, he definitely would have been fired, so why not just do it now? That's the logic at least.I definitely think there's a good argument for having given him another year (especially with his strong connection to the school), but given Mullin's lack of success thus far (and only moderate success this year with a pretty good roster), I think a change is reasonable under the circumstances. For me, the fact that Mullin simply didn't seem engaged or a hard worker (relying much on his lead recruiter) is another factor weighing against giving him the extra year. If he was busting his butt trying to get recruits, etc., I could see being more lenient, but that simply did not seem to be the case based on a lot of different reports. Why would the roster been in shambles? The team roster only went into question when Coach Mullin's job did. The roster world have been stabilized including the very talented Juco recruits Cam Mac & Vlad Manuel. With them plus the multiple players sitting out via transfer last season and their 3 returning starters are pretty good in Heron, Simon and Figueroa. The narrative that St. John's under played to its potential last season is false. That team had a good starting 5 but was significantly flawed in multiple ways. It had zero size (Sedee Keita was hurt all year), lacked significant length and no bench whatsoever especially after the loss of Mickey Dixon. Teams also improve from year to year. By your logic the Hoyas have will be an NIT team (if lucky) again next year. Lastly the ridiculous notion that because the recruiting ace left for Iowa State this team had no chance going forward makes zero sense. There are other big time recruiting coaches out who are available and would love to live and work in New York city and could demand a very good salary because of the desperate need that St. John's had. I will still contend that the AD should have given Coach Mullin the two year extension and provided him the resources to continue to build the program. When have you seen a coach fired that improved the team every season leading to finally making the NCAA Tournament? People have to remember that Mullin inherited two end of the bench players only when he got the job. This move has moved the program back at least a couple years depending on who they hire and no one they hire could unify the program like Coach Mullin. This was a power move through and through. Coach Mullin didn't answer to the last AD. He answered only to the President of the university. AD Cragg wanted to show he's the man at St. John's and he would never be with Mullin their and would never get any credit if Coach Mullin got the Universities most visual and significant program back to annual NCAA team much less a national contender. With Coach Mullin gone, he's now making the calls and it's completely his program...
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 12, 2019 12:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 12:21:17 GMT -5
Could be a 7 bid league for the second time in 3 years if teams handle business in November and December...
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 12, 2019 12:26:48 GMT -5
It appears that St. John's is spinning its wheels, or alternatively that Tim Cluess is not the primary focus now. Newsday reports that Iona has died being contacted by SJU for permission to discuss the open head coaching position. www.newsday.com/sports/college/st-johns/st-john-s-cluess-iona-1.29707387With Hurley getting a contract extension at Arizona State, and Cluess not apparently being the top target, where does St. John's now go?
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 12, 2019 12:27:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 12:32:15 GMT -5
Cluess being 60 is not a small concern.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 12, 2019 12:44:05 GMT -5
We'll see after the carousel stops, but we need at least 5 Ws from SJU, DePaul and Butler, plus defend home court to be on our way to 9+ BE wins and the NCAAT.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 12, 2019 13:19:34 GMT -5
Is this the names the AD told the presidents he could get if they kick out their greatest player who just took the program to the NCAA Tournament after a massive rebuild just to rebuild all over again? Are these the names that he was promising the president that made destroying a 40 year relationship? I'm all for Coach Cluess getting the job. Moser and Porter are solid coaches with potential but not the names that will excite the fan base at the expense of Coach Mullin coming off an NCAA tournament. The AD has completely butchered this...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 12, 2019 13:36:28 GMT -5
Maybe Cragg was brought partly to fire Mullin. Easy to bring in a hatchet man from the outside. No insiders get blood on their hands.
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 12, 2019 14:24:59 GMT -5
Is this the names the AD told the presidents he could get if they kick out their greatest player who just took the program to the NCAA Tournament after a massive rebuild just to rebuild all over again? Are these the names that he was promising the president that made destroying a 40 year relationship? I'm all for Coach Cluess getting the job. Moser and Porter are solid coaches with potential but not the names that will excite the fan base at the expense of Coach Mullin coming off an NCAA tournament. The AD has completely butchered this... Porter Moser and Ryan Odom are risks, as both appear to have the qualities of a flash in the pan. Prior to the FF run, Moser's Illinois State and Loyola teams had suffered 10 straight losing conference record seasons in the Missouri Valley and Horizon. Odom's teams have been decent in a bad America East, but take one win away from him and he'd be on no one's radar. Cluess at least has local roots and lots of post-season experience, even if he is not the splash hire of a Bobby Hurley (or Pitino?).
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 12, 2019 14:58:24 GMT -5
Is this the names the AD told the presidents he could get if they kick out their greatest player who just took the program to the NCAA Tournament after a massive rebuild just to rebuild all over again? Are these the names that he was promising the president that made destroying a 40 year relationship? I'm all for Coach Cluess getting the job. Moser and Porter are solid coaches with potential but not the names that will excite the fan base at the expense of Coach Mullin coming off an NCAA tournament. The AD has completely butchered this... Porter Moser and Ryan Odom are risks, as both appear to have the qualities of a flash in the pan. Prior to the FF run, Moser's Illinois State and Loyola teams had suffered 10 straight losing conference record seasons in the Missouri Valley and Horizon. Odom's teams have been decent in a bad America East, but take one win away from him and he'd be on no one's radar. Cluess at least has local roots and lots of post-season experience, even if he is not the splash hire of a Bobby Hurley (or Pitino?). Exactly! But you don't fire/get rid Coach Mullin after improving the team four straight years culminating with an NCAA tournament appearance...
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 12, 2019 15:03:50 GMT -5
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