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Post by drquigley on Mar 17, 2019 14:41:27 GMT -5
Why Nova and not us?
Can we step back from all the (deserved) Nova hate and figure out what we can learn from what Nova has done? Watching them the last few years has me thinking that we are playing checkers while they've been playing chess. Their two best players are red shirt seniors. When have we even had one? They keep their best players for four years. Since the beginning of the new BE we seem to lose our best players to injury, transfer, expulsion or the NBA. Nothing you can do about injuries but would Marcus have left if he were playing at Nova? And finally, why are we seemingly unable to recruit - and develop - NBA caliber players the past 5 years? How do teams like Creighton, Butler, and Xavier attract players to places like Omaha, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati while we can't identify and get local talent or recruit quality (foreign) players to D.C.? Has PE begun to turn this around? Please tell me there is light at the end of the tunnel or at least how you think we can get to where Nova is now.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 17, 2019 15:00:13 GMT -5
This is a interesting but provocative topic, because there are those out there that will tell you that the program's biggest problem is from within. I'm too far away to judge that, but it is evident you won't see a light at the end of the tunnel if you keep looking back in the tunnel to the past, something that affects St. John's as well.
Villanova has won four Big East titles in six years and three straight, something never matched by Georgetown, Syracuse or UConn. In the same six year period, Georgetown has won just two Big East tournament games and has been one and done three straight years.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 17, 2019 15:10:56 GMT -5
If there's an element attributable to the Administration here, I'm not in a position to know. The obvious and easy answer is that a team's success starts at the top, and sometimes obvious and easy is correct. Jay Wright. Right now, I'd settle for being Seton Hall.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 17, 2019 15:21:39 GMT -5
If there's an element attributable to the Administration here, I'm not in a position to know. The obvious and easy answer is that a team's success starts at the top, and sometimes obvious and easy is correct. Jay Wright. Right now, I'd settle for being Seton Hall. Agreed. Nova hired one of Rollie's assistants and when it didn't work out, they hired another one. They kept it in the family as much as anyone else. Wright just happens to be really good at this.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 17, 2019 16:11:26 GMT -5
Someone explain to me how Wright keeps quality players around for four years and especially how everyone seems to be willing to wait their turn? Brunson waits for Hart to leave and takes over, Booth waits for Brunson to leave and takes over. Why do I get the feeling that Samuels is the next one waiting in the wings? How the hell do they wind up with a guy like DiVincenzo? And what's with the redshirting? Looking at Carter it seems that we (he) just wasted a year of eligibility.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 17, 2019 17:14:22 GMT -5
Someone explain to me how Wright keeps quality players around for four years and especially how everyone seems to be willing to wait their turn? Brunson waits for Hart to leave and takes over, Booth waits for Brunson to leave and takes over. Why do I get the feeling that Samuels is the next one waiting in the wings? How the hell do they wind up with a guy like DiVincenzo? And what's with the redshirting? Looking at Carter it seems that we (he) just wasted a year of eligibility. They did lose 3 underclassmen to the NBA last season not counting Bridges who had another year of eligibility left too... I've posted before that Nova's use of redshirting is overrated, the only true RS player they've had recently was Mikael Bridges... The other RS kids came due to injury, academics or transfer... Their players wait for their turns because Wright is a ridiculously good coach/teacher who gets kids to buy into team 1st. Plus the kids who are "waiting" still have big roles on the team... Obviously, Nova is killing it right now but they still promote their program like this during the season...
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 17, 2019 17:19:56 GMT -5
This is a interesting but provocative topic, because there are those out there that will tell you that the program's biggest problem is from within. I'm too far away to judge that, but it is evident you won't see a light at the end of the tunnel if you keep looking back in the tunnel to the past, something that affects St. John's as well. Villanova has won four Big East titles in six years and three straight, something never matched by Georgetown, Syracuse or UConn. In the same six year period, Georgetown has won just two Big East tournament games and has been one and done three straight years. It may not affect St. John's for much longer, last September they hired an AD that worked in Duke's athletic department for 19 years... They also gave him full autonomy over the basketball program, who runs the Gtown basketball program?
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 17, 2019 17:34:27 GMT -5
Imho, 'Nova has been playing some attractive basketball for a while, unlike during the JT3 era where the Princeton offense has been slowly and surely been going away.
Also it seems rather hard to attract elite athletes who want to play that style of basketball, also it has been used as a negative tactic for GU. Granted JT3 did have success, but it had lost it's luster. I'm sure others can add various reason too.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 17, 2019 20:33:23 GMT -5
Villanova, in large measure, lucked in to the Jay Wright era. After a successful stint at Hofstra he was on the verge of taking the Rutgers job. At the same time Steve Lappas was going into what all knew would be his final year at Villanova. Seeing the handwriting on the wall he had a "you can't quit me I fire" moment and jumped to UMass. Jay then went to 'nova and the rest is history. He's a better coach than anyone knew.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 17, 2019 20:41:30 GMT -5
Villanova benefited more than any other team from the rules changes. Jay Wright was already playing a 4 guard 1 big dribble drive/kick for 3pters way before the rule changes. The rule changes made his team unstoppable since you can no longer play physical defense. He already had the perfect system and players. The rules changes elevated him from an occasional Final Four to a dominant dynasty type organization.
They also consistently get 4-5 star and McDonald's All Americans that basically tried up for III after Monroe.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 17, 2019 23:40:51 GMT -5
Interesting topic and worthy of discussion and analysis. But consider changing the subject line. Its awful.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2019 8:31:30 GMT -5
Interesting topic and worthy of discussion and analysis. But consider changing the subject line. Its awful. Thread starter is the same guy who guaranteed that the Hoyas wouldn’t win more than 4 games in Big East play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 8:45:13 GMT -5
Interesting topic and worthy of discussion and analysis. But consider changing the subject line. Its awful. Thread starter is the same guy who guaranteed that the Hoyas wouldn’t win more than 4 games in Big East play. Or that Jessie was a "waste of a scholarship"... or, midway through this season, that our BE ROY & conference assist leader was a dud and that we "NEED TO FIND A POINT GUARD!"
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 18, 2019 9:28:19 GMT -5
Interesting topic and worthy of discussion and analysis. But consider changing the subject line. Its awful. Well, that was done. Now we have several answers to a question that's no longer been asked.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 18, 2019 9:38:17 GMT -5
Thread starter is the same guy who guaranteed that the Hoyas wouldn’t win more than 4 games in Big East play. Or that Jessie was a "waste of a scholarship"... or, midway through this season, that our BE ROY & conference assist leader was a dud and that we "NEED TO FIND A POINT GUARD!" Where do I start? I never said Hoyas wouldn't win more than 4 BE games. Rather, I said, "I want to think we can finish 9-9 but our poor defense, especially on ball defense against opposing guards has me scared. If Cole and Williams can light us up for 52 what will the premier BE guards do to us? That said most of our BE opponents like to run and that lends itself to wide open, high scoring games, the kind we seem to like most". I don't recall saying Govan was a waste of a scholarship but I think his performance this year, especially over the past two weeks, speaks to what many on this Board felt about him. No need to bash him anymore. Finally, I will go back to my Akinjo threads and see if I can find the quote you posted. But I can't believe I posted that since I've been impressed by Akinjo since I saw him in Kenner.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 18, 2019 9:59:57 GMT -5
Or that Jessie was a "waste of a scholarship"... or, midway through this season, that our BE ROY & conference assist leader was a dud and that we "NEED TO FIND A POINT GUARD!" Where do I start? I never said Hoyas wouldn't win more than 4 BE games. Rather, I said, "I want to think we can finish 9-9 but our poor defense, especially on ball defense against opposing guards has me scared. If Cole and Williams can light us up for 52 what will the premier BE guards do to us? That said most of our BE opponents like to run and that lends itself to wide open, high scoring games, the kind we seem to like most". I don't recall saying Govan was a waste of a scholarship but I think his performance this year, especially over the past two weeks, speaks to what many on this Board felt about him. No need to bash him anymore. Finally, I will go back to my Akinjo threads and see if I can find the quote you posted. But I can't believe I posted that since I've been impressed by Akinjo since I saw him in Kenner. Being fairly new to the whole blogging thing I guess I didn't recognize a troll like NC Hoya94. So I went back to find the thread where I said Akinjo was a dud and WE NEED TO FIND A POINT GUARD. Instead I found this quote from back in December, "As we evaluate Akinjo remember that he just turned 18 last month. It is hard to believe he won't be a beast over the next 2-3 years". Like I said, Akinjo had me with hello so if NChoya94 can point me to the statements he said I made I'd appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 10:18:20 GMT -5
I hear you about Akinjo's injury and being a freshman playing his first big time game. But I saw a little guy with shaky handles and poor decision making. ... Yes LeBlanc looked great and I liked Malinowski's ball handling and maturity. And McClung will be a stud by the end of the year. But like I said before the game on this thread the key to getting better this year is turnovers. Paper said we had 19. 19 against a mediocre team. Folks, unless Akinjo improves dramatically we are the same team we were last year - without MD. WE NEED A POINT GUARD!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 10:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 18, 2019 10:20:43 GMT -5
Build a program culture based on work ethic and hustle. Stick to the culture. Recruit players that will buy in. REBOUND.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 18, 2019 10:50:20 GMT -5
This is spot on... The Sports Reference site added the RSCI feature to its roster page which highlights the point Yaboy is making, only one player inside the top 40... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/villanova/2016.htmlPlayer development, Player development, Player development!! How well PE & staff does in this area will have a big impact on how successful his time @ Gtown will be... They haven't gotten off to a great start with their 1st class, so the jury is still out on them imo...
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