AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 2, 2019 11:05:01 GMT -5
(2) Xavier owns the Hoyas, and
(3) We got a recruit who is an endangered species because he's a center. No mention of Q's last official visit being at Syracuse just 7 weeks ago.
#2 factually correct - hopeful hoyas can flip the script
#3 yes chose hoyas over Syracuse but joins 6’10” and 6’11” recruits. - a dose of skepticism is reasonable
I also disagree with those who are equating constructive criticism with negativity. Kudos to PE and staff for McClung, Akinjo, Malinowski, Pickett, LeBlanc and for the dismissal of those who didn’t prescribe to his construct. This being said I still feel the front page offers healthy skepticism (justifiable) and not negativity.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 6, 2020 9:21:47 GMT -5
HoyaSaxa is at it again. On both Twitter and his homepage, DFW HOYA is still out there writing negative takes on Georgetown basketball using inaccurate information.
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Feb 6, 2020 9:28:10 GMT -5
HoyaSaxa is at it again. On both Twitter and his homepage, DFW HOYA is still out there writing negative takes on Georgetown basketball using inaccurate information. Clowns will be clowns. Thanks for pointing this out (and calling him out).
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 6, 2020 9:30:15 GMT -5
HoyaSaxa is at it again. On both Twitter and his homepage, DFW HOYA is still out there writing negative takes on Georgetown basketball using inaccurate information. Clowns will be clowns. Thanks for pointing this out (and calling him out). Moderator Note: Back off the pejorative name calling unless you want your posts deleted. Read the board rules.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 6, 2020 9:32:59 GMT -5
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 6, 2020 9:37:38 GMT -5
Ticketgate!
All parties should reveal where they got their numbers.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 6, 2020 9:40:09 GMT -5
Ticketgate! All parties should reveal where they got their numbers. I saw the 4,000+ low figure in the Washington Post article. That low figure has now been edited out of the Post article. My eyes and ears tell me the 7,000 figure is accurate.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 6, 2020 9:45:46 GMT -5
That picture was also during warmups. There was a decent crowd at the game, by no means huge, but it felt like a larger and louder crowd than at last week's game (GUHoyas attendance of 5,329). The student section wasn't full but was louder than some previous games as well. I get that GUHoyas will report paid attendance, which might be different from what ESPN reports. But that's exactly the issue. I highly doubt that DFW HOYA has been tracking ESPN attendance figures since 1981. He's likely getting them from GUHoyas. Therefore, his whole premise that "The 4,344 is the lowest turnout for any Big East opponent since Georgetown moved games off campus in 1981." is flawed since he's comparing a figure against a different set of data.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 6, 2020 9:47:19 GMT -5
I'm interested to know what accounts for a 2,650 person difference in reported attendance figures.
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Post by bigelephant on Feb 6, 2020 9:51:53 GMT -5
8:30 or 9 o'clock start in Washington is very late. Not going to get big crowds at that hour.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 6, 2020 9:54:13 GMT -5
Is Sports Information (or maybe the basketball office) adjusting with the numbers to avoid negative coverage? Or did someone recenter the figure? The SHUPirates.com and GUHoyas.com box scores as of last night when the recap posted clearly stated 4,344. Now it's been changed. Why? Per the Seton Hall site, it's 4,344. shupirates.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2019-20/georgetown/boxscore/5750Per the NCAA boxscore, it's 4,344.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 6, 2020 9:54:17 GMT -5
In the interest of fairness instead of character assassination (and with the disclaimer that I have not had any communication with John about this), the item in question quotes an article posted online by Jerry Carino a New Jersey sports reporter covering the game onsite who posted a story and tweeted about ‘under 5000’ attendance figure at 8:35 PM last night (pregame) and posted a story on it last night. The 4300 figure was on the ESPN game site last night. The official box score was posted later overnight or this AM: georgetown.sidearmsports.com/mens-basketball/2019-20/boxscore/vs-seton-hall/14447/pdfand shows the 7032 figure. John, like all of us, worries about the long term health of the basketball program. Attempts to portray him as a program detractor or a ‘clown’ are so far off base it’s frankly insulting. On edit, John answered as I was writing this. My comments about posters taking shots at him stand.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 6, 2020 9:59:39 GMT -5
]That picture was also during warmups. There was a decent crowd at the game, by no means huge, but it felt like a larger and louder crowd than at last week's game (GUHoyas attendance of 5,329). The student section wasn't full but was louder than some previous games as well. Here's something weird though... Gamecast reports 5,329 for Butler game www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=401168304GUHoyas reports 5,329 Gamecast reports 12,514 for Marquette GUHoyas reports 12,514 Is this two sets of data or is GUHoyas reporting paid attendance when it wants to?
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 6, 2020 10:01:04 GMT -5
FWIW, I wasn't there and I post the box score when it posts. Every box score I have in the Big East era is based on Georgetown reported scores, not ESPN or anyone else, including those McD scores which regularly happened to have ended in "89" or "98". If Georgetown says 7,032, that's what I will log.
Jerry Carino is not one to make up stuff up and if he said it's under 5K, he's seen enough bad turnouts around the league to be a credible source. And remember, he used the term "under 5K" three hours before the box score posted.
Georgetown has structural attendance problems and anyone that thinks that it needs to be kept under the covers to support Ewing is not realistic about this. This is not a Ewing problem, it's a Georgetown problem that it's not addressing.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 6, 2020 10:09:59 GMT -5
FWIW, I wasn't there and I post the box score when it posts. Every box score I have in the Big East era is based on Georgetown reported scores, not ESPN or anyone else, including those McD scores which regularly happened to have ended in "89" or "98". If Georgetown says 7,032, that's what I will log. Jerry Carino is not one to make up stuff up and if he said it's under 5K, he's seen enough bad turnouts around the league to be a credible source. And remember, he used the term "under 5K" three hours before the box score posted. Georgetown has structural attendance problems and anyone that thinks that it needs to be kept under the covers to support Ewing is not realistic about this. This is not a Ewing problem, it's a Georgetown problem that it's not addressing. I'm not saying Jerry Carino is making things up, but he posted that tweet around 10 minutes before tipoff. Unfortunately, even despite the late start, a lot of Georgetown fans end up being late for tipoff for every game. I got to the game unusually early because dinner wrapped up quicker than expected, and the stadium felt empty until suddenly it didn't. I'm also not saying there are no attendance issues, or that those attendance issues should be kept under the covers for any reasons. 7,032 is still not a good number, but it's a much different number than was originally reported.
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Post by wponds on Feb 6, 2020 10:13:46 GMT -5
Sounded pretty good on tv fwiw
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 6, 2020 10:24:00 GMT -5
Bobby Bancroft sat next to Carino at the press table last night. Perhaps he has some insight into this.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Feb 6, 2020 11:27:14 GMT -5
Crazy how "just win" is the answer to so many of the structural, emotional, reputational, [you name it] issues facing Georgetown Hoops. I'm still watching every game, making it to a few, and lighting candles on Sundays (97, please don't get your drawers in a knot over that one] in hopes of some sustained success or just good news for our team.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 6, 2020 11:38:11 GMT -5
In the interest of fairness instead of character assassination (and with the disclaimer that I have not had any communication with John about this), the item in question quotes an article posted online by Jerry Carino a New Jersey sports reporter covering the game onsite who posted a story and tweeted about ‘under 5000’ attendance figure at 8:35 PM last night (pregame) and posted a story on it last night. The 4300 figure was on the ESPN game site last night. The official box score was posted later overnight or this AM: georgetown.sidearmsports.com/mens-basketball/2019-20/boxscore/vs-seton-hall/14447/pdfand shows the 7032 figure. John, like all of us, worries about the long term health of the basketball program. Attempts to portray him as a program detractor or a ‘clown’ are so far off base it’s frankly insulting. On edit, John answered as I was writing this. My comments about posters taking shots at him stand. There seems to be a pretty sizable discrepancy between several of the official boxscores, so I'll apologize for reacting so negatively to John. I don't know John, but honestly I respect the hell out of him because of what he has established between HoyaTalk, HoyaSaxa, and HoyaBasketball (I wish the sites had better link capabilities because it would allow him to have a wider audience, but I'll put that aside for now). I personally see him as the most knowledgeable person on Georgetown basketball history out there, and my season ticket used to be next to Lic. John's work was my inspiration to start the recruiting tracker in 2014 so I could attempt to provide a resource to Hoya fans like he has. It's just disheartening that the majority of his public comments on HoyaTalk, Twitter, and Facebook about the program are negative, or at best neutral. You would have to go back to at least March 2019 to find a tweet that is even slightly positive about Georgetown basketball. And I know there hasn't necessarily been much to be positive and excited about recently, I get that. At the time, the Terrance Williams commit was big positive news for the Hoyas, but no tweet about it. Instead he comments on Facebook about how "We're competing for top 200 talent right now and they still look elsewhere." on the night the Hoyas are hosting Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe for an official visit. Sometimes I even agree with his negative comments, like when he expressed his frustration that Chris Wright and others didn't have their jerseys displayed at the TAC. But when I reached out to him to confirm what players he felt were missing in order to try to start a campaign on their behalf, he never even responded, which makes it seem like he just likes to make negative comments without any desire of finding fixes. I know that Andrew Geiger (Casual Hoya) gets criticism here as well, but at least he's been trying to be positive and rally the troops this season. I know your comments might be more directed to the other person that called John a name, which I try my best not to do here. Even calling him a program detractor would be going too far in my opinion. But it's difficult to deny that his public comments are generally negative about the Hoyas.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Feb 6, 2020 11:47:35 GMT -5
For a start, how about fixing the front page if the attendance number is incorrect and stop giving legs to an apparently false story?
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