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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 1, 2019 12:11:24 GMT -5
Yes, yes, and YES. Positive without propaganda.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 1, 2019 12:36:01 GMT -5
If we can be critical of the content on CasualHoya, then we can be critical of the content on HoyaSaxa.
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Post by MEGAFAN on Feb 1, 2019 13:39:21 GMT -5
Looking back, this loss was a critical turning point for JT III and the program. Coming off a Final Four and with legit buzz and NBA talent (albeit recruited by Esherick), we were at the cusp of putting the Hoyas back on the (prime time) map, and my belief in JT III was at an all-time high... and then it all not-so-slowly slipped away. And on a separate note, after this loss, which hurt so badly, I walked away wanting my Knicks to draft Curry, as I was confident he was going to be an elite NBA player. I mean, he did this against a Hoya team with a lot of legit NBA talent. Of course, I couldn't say I predicted he would be THIS good (arguably the best shooter the game has ever seen at any level), but I expected big things. But now it's all about our bright future! #InPatWeTrust #Mackinjo #HoyaSaxa #WeAreGeorgetown |
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Post by thedragon on Feb 1, 2019 14:48:40 GMT -5
Looking back, this loss was a critical turning point for JT III and the program. Coming off a Final Four and with legit buzz and NBA talent (albeit recruited by Esherick), we were at the cusp of putting the Hoyas back on the (prime time) map, and my belief in JT III was at an all-time high... and then it all not-so-slowly slipped away. And on a separate note, after this loss, which hurt so badly, I walked away wanting my Knicks to draft Curry, as I was confident he was going to be an elite NBA player. I mean, he did this against a Hoya team with a lot of legit NBA talent. Of course, I couldn't say I predicted he would be THIS good (arguably the best shooter the game has ever seen at any level), but I expected big things. But now it's all about our bright future! #InPatWeTrust #Mackinjo #HoyaSaxa #WeAreGeorgetown I, like may others voicing opinion here, find the front page to have a negative skew that often rubs me the wrong way (Hi-yo!). But I also realize that the last several years, especially to those around GU during the glory days (I had not graced this worlds presence yet), offered very little in positives to focus on. Having said that, while places like hoyareport, casualhoya and Hoya twitter have merits - hoyasaxa/talk remains the #1 spot for gtown basketball discussion/info on the interwebs. And I think that should be taken into account by DFW and the Admin when posting stories. That doesnt mean to always have a rose colored glasses slant, but just easing back on the "everything is burning down" feel would go a long way. Just my 2 cents. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 1, 2019 15:42:49 GMT -5
I have no issues with what is written as it is commensurate with the state of the program. Great new recruit (a start if you will)but certainly not indicative of great recruiting success.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 1, 2019 15:49:31 GMT -5
I have no issues with what is written as it is commensurate with the state of the program. Great new recruit (a start if you will)but certainly not indicative of great recruiting success. I'm not totally sure what this comment means? That the state of the program isn't trending upwards, because the homepage certainly gives that message? And How is a great new recruit not indicative great recruiting success? And has Patrick not already been relatively successful in recruiting? Unless you think recruiting success means landing every top prospect you are after, there have been many indications of recruiting success. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 1, 2019 16:56:53 GMT -5
I do not see the negativity others see. We have been a struggling program with BE irrelevancy. Yes the program is trending upward in terms of style of play and recruiting but to say we can't/shouldn't be constructively critical and cautious with enthusiasm is beyond me.
How a line like "Some experts say the center is an endangered species in modern basketball. Don't tell that to Patrick Ewing, where Georgetown has added a third center to its 2019 recruiting class" is perceived as some indictment or debbie-downer viewpoint is beyond me. It's a valid point. Wahab is a solid recruit but to equate his signing with solid recruiting success in and of itself (and in the context of adding another center) I don't buy. He is a "great" recruit for Georgetown ... again for Georgetown which is emerging from the BE cellar. Would he be considered a "great" recruit for others, debatable.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 1, 2019 17:44:05 GMT -5
I do not see the negativity others see. We have been a struggling program with BE irrelevancy. Yes the program is trending upward in terms of style of play and recruiting but to say we can't/shouldn't be constructively critical and cautious with enthusiasm is beyond me. How a line like "Some experts say the center is an endangered species in modern basketball. Don't tell that to Patrick Ewing, where Georgetown has added a third center to its 2019 recruiting class" is perceived as some indictment or debbie-downer viewpoint is beyond me. It's a valid point. Wahab is a solid recruit but to equate his signing with solid recruiting success in and of itself (and in the context of adding another center) I don't buy. He is a "great" recruit for Georgetown ... again for Georgetown which is emerging from the BE cellar. Would he be considered a "great" recruit for others, debatable. Why would whether was a great recruit for another matter in how we should feel about him at Georgetown?? Is there an acceptable amount of celebration allowed based on how other programs would feel about pulling in a recruit? And again, how does pulling in a solid recruit not equate to solid recruiting success? And, when are we isolating Wahab as the only indicator of recruiting success when there are other examples to pull from? This issue with these types of takes is the mental gymnastics one has to complete to get to them. You can be constructively critical and still have enthusiasm, the criticism of being overly negative has mostly been directed at those that lack any sort of enthusiasm. |
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 1, 2019 19:49:20 GMT -5
The constant drumbeat of the attendance figures in the lede is tiresome.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 1, 2019 20:12:40 GMT -5
The constant drumbeat of the attendance figures in the lede is tiresome. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 1, 2019 20:35:46 GMT -5
I am still a regular visitor to the home page despite the ongoing negativity, primarily because I like to read the game summaries. It's worth noting that the summary of last night's game has positivity pouring out of it.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 1, 2019 20:40:31 GMT -5
While the front page has no doubt had a negative tone for many years, and often innapropriately so in my opinion, I am pretty stunned to see these attacks on DFW. While I don’t know him personally (we have met at a few BETs), it is my understanding that the guy has dedicated a significant chunk of his life to Georgetown University and hoyasaxa.com. In addition to the commentary on the front page, there are also links to information and statistics regarding the history of Georgetown Basketball that you cant find anywhere else. It is incredible - and I believe DFW has pulled it all together over the years single handedly. And finally, for anyone confused about it, this message board is part of hoyasaxa.com. And it is incredibly well done (since 1996 I believe - I joined in late 1998) and in my view one of the best managed college team message board out there.
So I agree with the unfortunate negative tone for many years on the homepage, I would nonetheless say a hearty thank you to DFW for all of his efforts over the decades to make this board and hoyasaxa.com what it is.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 1, 2019 20:48:44 GMT -5
We all love and frequent the site. It just needs to be less critical. 🙂👍🏻
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 1, 2019 21:18:53 GMT -5
I have no issues with what is written as it is commensurate with the state of the program. Great new recruit (a start if you will)but certainly not indicative of great recruiting success. Did you see our freshman go for 51 last night? All of those are Ewing recruits!! If you can’t get excited about that...I feel badly for you. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 1, 2019 23:02:16 GMT -5
I have no issues with what is written as it is commensurate with the state of the program. Great new recruit (a start if you will)but certainly not indicative of great recruiting success. Did you see our freshman go for 51 last night? All of those are Ewing recruits!! If you can’t get excited about that...I feel badly for you. “Three freshmen combined for 51 points as the Georgetown Hoyas fought back for an 80-73 win over Xavier before 7,636 at Capital One Arena, bringing them to .500 in Big East play.” “Freshmen Rise, Xavier Falls, 80-73“ Negativity? Go back to the original purpose of the thread. Excited yes. Pleased moreso. Lets remember Akinjo was not a primary GU recruit. The three freshman are a good start but it will take more than a 1 year sample size to establish recruiting success for me. So far 2019 has been underwhelming. I am hopeful though. |
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 2, 2019 1:13:12 GMT -5
“Akinjo was not a primary recruit”....uh...okay. Conversation stopper.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2019 2:25:25 GMT -5
“Akinjo was not a primary recruit”....uh...okay. Conversation stopper. Yeah, I mean, why give Ewing credit for evaluating, building a relationship and securing a commitment from a top recruit on an extremely short timeline when you can criticize him for not securing the original commitment ... which James did before Ewing had coached a single college game? Given that I think every single player that Ewing has brought in so far has contributed and has shown talent, I’m going to say it is a good start. (Except Sodom? Was Sodom a Ewing recruit? One miss, then.) |
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Feb 2, 2019 7:06:26 GMT -5
“Akinjo was not a primary recruit”....uh...okay. Conversation stopper. Yeah, I mean, why give Ewing credit for evaluating, building a relationship and securing a commitment from a top recruit on an extremely short timeline when you can criticize him for not securing the original commitment ... which James did before Ewing had coached a single college game? Given that I think every single player that Ewing has brought in so far has contributed and has shown talent, I’m going to say it is a good start. (Except Sodom? Was Sodom a Ewing recruit? One miss, then.) And even Sodom would have likely been a valuable member of this team had been able to stay out of trouble. |
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 2, 2019 8:35:06 GMT -5
The coverage of the Hoyas, particularly locally, has been negative. The Post can’t even assign a beat reporter who travels with the team. The only columnist — Barry Svrugala, at least that I can recall — who has written on the Hoyas has posited the program as one with a rich history that faces enormous obstacles in recovering its standing in college basketball. And I recall many of us slamming his pieces because they were so superficial. Ava Wallace wrote a really nice profile of three out of four freshmen and a follow up on Akinjo, yet she also has the UM women’s beat that takes precedence. When we start to win, we will get clicks but until then the Post will be behind the curve and doesn’t seem to care about following developments and answering questions posed by its own columnists.
So, in this context, I view the negativity of the main page and Casual Hoya as part of the broad perception of the program. And DFW isn’t nearly as emotional as CH.
What distinguishes DFW’s work from the rest is his knowledge about the administration of the program and its revenue streams. There is no better source for that information. To me, it’s misguided to dismiss his work as negative. There is too much to learn from his posts.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 2, 2019 9:32:51 GMT -5
Just went on to the homepage for the first time in a very long time and am shocked by what i was seeing....when did it essentially turn into a hate blog on Georgetown basketball? Its horrible!! Can't imagine that's good for viewership/ratings....or maybe it is...I'm stumped. The three cover stories are as follows: (1) A pre-game report saying that the Hoyas happened to beat SJU but only because SJU shot poorly and had poor clock management.....nothing about our defense or the Hoyas being the reason for SJU's poor play. Nothing about McClung's coming out party in MSG....etc (2) Xavier owns the Hoyas, and (3) We got a recruit who is an endangered species because he's a center. No mention of Q's last official visit being at Syracuse just 7 weeks ago. Can someone prescribe the writers and editors high dosages of anti-depressants? Sheesh! If the Thompsons and Ewing were removed and the Hoyas basketball program collapsed who do you think would benefit at Georgetown? |
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