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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 16, 2018 22:10:03 GMT -5
Any talk of the dance was premature even before the season started. Just pure hyperbole. Of course the goal is to make it back to the NCAA tournament but the expect it to happen or to even be on the bubble at the end of the season in year two of an inexperienced coach with a freshman backcourt just boggles my mind. Maybe ya’ll don’t realize howmuch of an improvement it would be just to get to 9-9 in conference after going 5-13. Completely agree with this. That performance was totally putrid. But that aside, what have we seen that makes anyone who is not delusional think that this team will be even close to the bubble? Sure, the Illinois win was nice, but Illinois is not expected to be in the top half of the Big 10. And our first two games were totally unimpressive. Also, talk of Pickett going pro is beyond ridiculous.
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 16, 2018 22:11:12 GMT -5
We played like we did the 1st 2 games. People wanted to wipe those games out after a win over a bottom Big Ten team missing a key player. This team has a long way to go just to get NIT level. LeBlanc and Blair still should start in my opinion. Don't disagree that this team has a long way to go, but I really can't agree that the team played like they did in the previous games. Sure, level of competition has an impact, but: 3-point shooting previous 3 games was 9/24. 11/29, and 6/18. Tonight was 3/19 and those 3 came in what amounted to garbage time. Rebounding in previous 3 games was 40-33, 34-34, and 39-26. Tonight, it was an embarrassing 27-39. It was just a terrible performance all around, and I am somewhat hopeful that it won't be the norm. Filo this was the 1st team that could match our size....we are bigger than CCS, Illinois and UMES. LMU coaches simply dared us to beat them from the perimeter....I don't agree with some that we were outcoached....you could watch LMUs players closing hard on our shooters and allowing non-shooters space outside the arc....our players made a lot of youthful errors Akinjo fouling with 4secs left on the clock, Morko fouling their best FT shooter 70ft away from the basket, Mac attempting high difficulty plays when down late....we aren't as bad as we looked tonight but if we don't shoot better every team will zone us to death....I shutter to see how we will play against Cuse if we can't handle Illinois and LMUs zone....😬
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 16, 2018 22:12:04 GMT -5
If Greg doesn't get more time at the 2 after tonight then I'm not sure Pat is paying attention, although I guess it could be argued Pat wasn't paying attention tonight. Greg M could be an answer. The chemistry is lacking. I am impressed by Akinjo and Leblanc. I exxpect more fire and controlled energy from rhe team even now
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 16, 2018 22:16:29 GMT -5
Don't disagree that this team has a long way to go, but I really can't agree that the team played like they did in the previous games. Sure, level of competition has an impact, but: 3-point shooting previous 3 games was 9/24. 11/29, and 6/18. Tonight was 3/19 and those 3 came in what amounted to garbage time. Rebounding in previous 3 games was 40-33, 34-34, and 39-26. Tonight, it was an embarrassing 27-39. It was just a terrible performance all around, and I am somewhat hopeful that it won't be the norm. Filo this was the 1st team that could match our size....we are bigger than CCS, Illinois and UMES. LMU coaches simply dared us to beat them from the perimeter....I don't agree with some that we were outcoached....you could watch LMUs players closing hard on our shooters and allowing non-shooters space outside the arc....our players made a lot of youthful errors Akinjo fouling with 4secs left on the clock, Morko fouling their best FT shooter 70ft away from the basket, Mac attempting high difficulty plays when down late....we aren't as bad as we looked tonight but if we don't shoot better every team will zone us to death....I shutter to see how we will play against Cuse if we can't handle Illinois and LMUs zone....😬 To beat any zone you have to hit perimeter and mid-range shots. If we go 2/19 from 3 and Govan misses as many midrange jumpers as he did tonight, we’ll most certainly lose that game too.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 16, 2018 22:16:31 GMT -5
You really think Akinjo, Blair & Malinowski are better shooters than Pickett? This year, yes. Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far. He will get it back, I hope. Malinowski shoots really well. He shoots the same shot every single time, which helps making 3s. Blair's shooting at the end of last season started hitting and that continued this season. Juggy is playing under control and has a good paced shot that often is going in. Akinjo can make space and shoot the 3 or set, but he also has a quite good deeper 3, which would really help against the zone. Pickett has been a really good 3 shooter, but that shot is currently just off. You do realize Pickett came into tonight's game shooting 62% from 3 and is sitting at 53% after tonight's clunker which was his first game under 50%.. Let's step back from the "Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far" ledge.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Nov 16, 2018 22:20:37 GMT -5
This year, yes. Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far. He will get it back, I hope. Malinowski shoots really well. He shoots the same shot every single time, which helps making 3s. Blair's shooting at the end of last season started hitting and that continued this season. Juggy is playing under control and has a good paced shot that often is going in. Akinjo can make space and shoot the 3 or set, but he also has a quite good deeper 3, which would really help against the zone. Pickett has been a really good 3 shooter, but that shot is currently just off. You do realize Pickett came into tonight's game shooting 62% from 3 and is sitting at 53% after tonight's clunker which was his first game under 50%.. Let's step back from the "Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far" ledge. Pickett contributed zero this evening. I dont want it to be the case, but he looks like Copeland 2.0.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2018 22:20:49 GMT -5
4th frosh... hasn't played more than garbage time... 3-pt shooter reputation... same size as Pickett (6'8")...
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 16, 2018 22:21:14 GMT -5
This year, yes. Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far. He will get it back, I hope. Malinowski shoots really well. He shoots the same shot every single time, which helps making 3s. Blair's shooting at the end of last season started hitting and that continued this season. Juggy is playing under control and has a good paced shot that often is going in. Akinjo can make space and shoot the 3 or set, but he also has a quite good deeper 3, which would really help against the zone. Pickett has been a really good 3 shooter, but that shot is currently just off. You do realize Pickett came into tonight's game shooting 62% from 3 and is sitting at 53% after tonight's clunker which was his first game under 50%.. Let's step back from the "Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far" ledge. Yeah, the problem is Pickett isn’t getting up a lot of shots. He’s floating on offense and though he’s had moments when his handle looks improved it’s still not great and he can’t do much else but shoot jumpers.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Nov 16, 2018 22:23:16 GMT -5
You do realize Pickett came into tonight's game shooting 62% from 3 and is sitting at 53% after tonight's clunker which was his first game under 50%.. Let's step back from the "Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far" ledge. Yeah, the problem is Pickett isn’t getting up a lot of shots. He’s floating on offense and though he’s had moments when his handle looks improved it’s still not great and he can’t do much else but shoot jumpers. If that's all hes gonna do play Greg who at least Ds up.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2018 22:24:14 GMT -5
You really think Akinjo, Blair & Malinowski are better shooters than Pickett? This year, yes. Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far. He will get it back, I hope. Malinowski shoots really well. He shoots the same shot every single time, which helps making 3s. Blair's shooting at the end of last season started hitting and that continued this season. Juggy is playing under control and has a good paced shot that often is going in. Akinjo can make space and shoot the 3 or set, but he also has a quite good deeper 3, which would really help against the zone. Pickett has been a really good 3 shooter, but that shot is currently just off. He came into the 8 of 13 from 3 this season & 10 of 16 overall, that's pretty good, right? www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamorko-pickett-1.html
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Post by mdtd on Nov 16, 2018 22:26:51 GMT -5
Filo this was the 1st team that could match our size....we are bigger than CCS, Illinois and UMES. LMU coaches simply dared us to beat them from the perimeter....I don't agree with some that we were outcoached....you could watch LMUs players closing hard on our shooters and allowing non-shooters space outside the arc....our players made a lot of youthful errors Akinjo fouling with 4secs left on the clock, Morko fouling their best FT shooter 70ft away from the basket, Mac attempting high difficulty plays when down late....we aren't as bad as we looked tonight but if we don't shoot better every team will zone us to death....I shutter to see how we will play against Cuse if we can't handle Illinois and LMUs zone....😬 To beat any zone you have to hit perimeter and mid-range shots. If we go 2/19 from 3 and Govan misses as many midrange jumpers as he did tonight, we’ll most certainly lose that game too. It's exactly how UCONN beat Cuse, nailed jump shots. Attack the center and the wings or short corners depending on how far the forwards are willing to defend. The zone could be a demise for our team, we need to work on beating it. I fully expect Ewing to be forming a zone offense from now until the Campbell game who you bet will be running a zone. The goal, at least imo, is to get out to an early lead against USF and hope they switch to a zone and work on beating it. This team showed it can score in man to man defense vs Illinois, they NEED to be able to score on a zone or else that's exactly what teams will run.
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 16, 2018 22:36:25 GMT -5
Yeah, the problem is Pickett isn’t getting up a lot of shots. He’s floating on offense and though he’s had moments when his handle looks improved it’s still not great and he can’t do much else but shoot jumpers. If that's all hes gonna do play Greg who at least Ds up. I don’t disagree, I actually like what Malinowski brings. He also had that nice shot fake, one dribble pull up jumper that he hit so he’s not afraid to put the ball on the floor even if just to create space for his jumper.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 16, 2018 22:53:06 GMT -5
I think our expectations ratcheted up after the emotional Illinois win. Tonight was one of those flat nights where nothing seems to go right. Between Pickett, Blair and Malinowski, we have shooters. Mac is struggling to hit his first three ball, but it will come. Have to remember that we are playing a lot of young players. That said, if we played slightly better we could have won this game. Unfortunately, Jessie is just not the type of player that takes over a game.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 16, 2018 22:55:50 GMT -5
Just finished watching the game on DVR. Loyola was better than us 1 through 5 and off the bench. Malinowski played well, Josh had a great first half and an OK second half, they played within themselves instead of forcing things like the rest of the team. A huge amount of work to do, especially against the zone. But momma said there'd be days like this.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 16, 2018 22:56:58 GMT -5
Some random ramblings. Horrible game from and effort and execution point of view. Team seemed to be unfocused.
Pickett’s problems are that the offense loses its flow against the zone and then the two freshmen, particularly McCling try to do too much and others end up watching. Was very happy to see Ewing bench the starters. McClung and Akinjo were out of control—not unexpected if you have watched the entire season because they are still learning. Lots more bumps ahead and hopefully this team gels before conference. Could easily drop another on Sunday to USF.
Also tonight there was very poor defensive rebounding which allowed a bad shooting team too many second shots. Jesse is not going to bring the ball up court—he needs good entry passes. That did not happen tonight. It has not happened much at all these last two games.
Get used to the zone defense folks because until a few Hoyas can show consistency from deep—as Pickett had before tonight—there is no reason to play man and allow the freshmen to penetrate. No excuse for some of the concentration lapses tonight—passes to no one, wild attempts to penetrate the zone against that height and failure to box out and secure rebounds on defense. Ewing needs to get at least one of the shooters he is recruiting.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 16, 2018 23:18:07 GMT -5
Accurate.
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 16, 2018 23:19:34 GMT -5
Ewing needs to have Mac and Akinjo hang out in the gym putting up perimeter shots until they hit them with their eyes closed.
When those two start hitting shots with consistency, the offense will flow. Until then, defenses will be able to collapse and we will are too many game like this.
I do have faith still that the shots will start falling.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 16, 2018 23:24:57 GMT -5
Any talk of the dance was premature even before the season started. Just pure hyperbole. Of course the goal is to make it back to the NCAA tournament but the expect it to happen or to even be on the bubble at the end of the season in year two of an inexperienced coach with a freshman backcourt just boggles my mind. Maybe ya’ll don’t realize howmuch of an improvement it would be just to get to 9-9 in conference after going 5-13. Completely agree with this. That performance was totally putrid. But that aside, what have we seen that makes anyone who is not delusional think that this team will be even close to the bubble? Sure, the Illinois win was nice, but Illinois is not expected to be in the top half of the Big 10. And our first two games were totally unimpressive. Also, talk of Pickett going pro is beyond ridiculous. You answered your own question. Illinois didn't play like a bottom half team that game and Georgetown didn't either. Pickett has been hot garbage since that technical foul. This team absolutely needs Pickett to have taken a leap to win. If he has/can, this team looks quite different.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2018 23:31:42 GMT -5
Words of wisdom from Trey...
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2018 23:35:57 GMT -5
This year, yes. Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far. He will get it back, I hope. Malinowski shoots really well. He shoots the same shot every single time, which helps making 3s. Blair's shooting at the end of last season started hitting and that continued this season. Juggy is playing under control and has a good paced shot that often is going in. Akinjo can make space and shoot the 3 or set, but he also has a quite good deeper 3, which would really help against the zone. Pickett has been a really good 3 shooter, but that shot is currently just off. You do realize Pickett came into tonight's game shooting 62% from 3 and is sitting at 53% after tonight's clunker which was his first game under 50%.. Let's step back from the "Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far" ledge. He was off for the Illinois game as well. He did well the first two games. He and Blair roughly even. I wasn't paying attention to Pickett in the first two games as he was making shots against lesser teams. I was more interested in the new players. Pickett has a two game slump, but his form these two games was really off. Blair has been more consistent, other than the second game. He looks the same as the end of last season, which is pretty decent. We are saying the same thing and nobody has been near any ledge. If you think so, it may be time for some glasses. But, Malinowski is a good shooter with a really consistent shot. Hoyas need him outside as much as possible against the zone, but that doesn't help things today with building for the future.
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