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Post by mfk24 on Nov 16, 2018 21:35:11 GMT -5
Mcclung May need to come off bench ,I think he is pressing and Blair should start. Just my opinion. What does Blair provide that moves him into the staring 5? Blair is very one dimensional currently, not really a passer, and isn’t very good defensively so his role as a 3pt sniper off the bench certainly seems appropriate IMO until he proves capable of something more.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Nov 16, 2018 21:35:20 GMT -5
We played like we did the 1st 2 games. People wanted to wipe those games out after a win over a bottom Big Ten team missing a key player. This team has a long way to go just to get NIT level. LeBlanc and Blair still should start in my opinion. I know posters disagreed with your assessment/scouting report on McClung's perimeter shooting but you appear to be right. 4 games in and teams will start to defend him like Aaron Bowen.
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Post by hoya1984 on Nov 16, 2018 21:36:17 GMT -5
Remember about this game in March when we are on the bubble to make the dance.
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Post by DallasHoya on Nov 16, 2018 21:36:46 GMT -5
Complete embarrassment. After the highs from the Illinois game to this disaster. How can the team is not ready to compete. This one is on coach Ewing. When two starters and your best scorer off the bench can’t make a single basket, John Wooden wouldn’t have helped.
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 16, 2018 21:40:21 GMT -5
Thanks for that, despite what I witnessed.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2018 21:40:54 GMT -5
Really could use Malinowski more against zones as he shoots 3s well, has a measured game, and defends well but the downside is the younger guys aren't progressing.
Best 3 shooters are Govan, Malinowski, Blair, Akinjo, and then Pickett. Kaleb also can have a decent shot, but it seems like he is getting back game ready. Passing was also really off, but it seems like the ball was incredibly slick (every deadball they had the towels going at the ball. Swinging the ball, skip passes, and shooting over the zone are one way to beat it, but all of those seemed to be missing.
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Post by Filo on Nov 16, 2018 21:45:36 GMT -5
We played like we did the 1st 2 games. People wanted to wipe those games out after a win over a bottom Big Ten team missing a key player. This team has a long way to go just to get NIT level. LeBlanc and Blair still should start in my opinion. Don't disagree that this team has a long way to go, but I really can't agree that the team played like they did in the previous games. Sure, level of competition has an impact, but: 3-point shooting previous 3 games was 9/24. 11/29, and 6/18. Tonight was 3/19 and those 3 came in what amounted to garbage time. Rebounding in previous 3 games was 40-33, 34-34, and 39-26. Tonight, it was an embarrassing 27-39. It was just a terrible performance all around, and I am somewhat hopeful that it won't be the norm.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 16, 2018 21:45:36 GMT -5
I'm still going to suggest Moseley in my starting lineup and I'm on the Malinowski train right now. I want better execution to start each half as well as a better defensive team on the floor. My concern is rebounding but I think Pickett is a better rebounder than Mourning right now. This change is all about substitution patterns and having second team that can come in as subs one by one or as a whole unit.
PG: Akinjo (McClung) SG: Moseley (Blair) SF: Malinowski (Johnson) PF: Pickett (Leblanc) C: Govan (Mourning)
I'm not calling for a major change in minutes but just when those minutes are played and who is playing against the other team's starting 5 to begin each half. My one exception to this is Mourning, who I feel is getting more minutes than deserved right now. The logic for starting the freshman backcourt falls on deaf ears when continuing to run Mourning out with the starting lineup.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 16, 2018 21:46:54 GMT -5
Any talk of the dance was premature even before the season started. Just pure hyperbole. Of course the goal is to make it back to the NCAA tournament but the expect it to happen or to even be on the bubble at the end of the season in year two of an inexperienced coach with a freshman backcourt just boggles my mind. Maybe ya’ll don’t realize howmuch of an improvement it would be just to get to 9-9 in conference after going 5-13.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2018 21:48:05 GMT -5
Watching the Hoyas warm up shooting 3s is very different from how they shoot in games. Their shot mechanics are completely different. In warm-ups they are getting the ball up more quickly than in the game and footwork is better, even on set shots. Mac is second guessing every 3 attempt. Pickett is also hesitating and not just letting the shots rip.
I really liked Derrickson last year taking 3 shots from 3 to 5 feet behind the line, which game him room. That may be a way to deal with zone, just get used to staying away from the 3 line.
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Post by bornhoya on Nov 16, 2018 21:48:24 GMT -5
Besides Josh and Jagan did anybody else want to play, everybody is talking about Mac but James beat the ball in to the ground in to many possessions, Jessie should have been taken that big guy off the dribble all night. We played great defense in the first half, second half went back to playing good old get beat off the dribble reach around with no help D in the paint. To much me not enough we basketball tonight
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2018 21:54:01 GMT -5
I'm still going to suggest Moseley in my starting lineup and I'm on the Malinowski train right now. I want better execution to start each half as well as a better defensive team on the floor. My concern is rebounding but I think Pickett is a better rebounder than Mourning right now. This change is all about substitution patterns and having second team that can come in as subs one by one or as a whole unit. PG: Akinjo (McClung) SG: Moseley (Blair) SF: Malinowski (Johnson) PF: Pickett (Leblanc) C: Govan (Mourning) I'm not calling for a major change in minutes but just when those minutes are played and who is playing against the other team's starting 5 to begin each half. My one exception to this is Mourning, who I feel is getting more minutes than deserved right now. The logic for starting the freshman backcourt falls on deaf ears when continuing to run Mourning out with the starting lineup. Pickett isn't remotely close to being a PF. He has no lower body strength and can't box out to save his lift. PF takes away his most valuable weapon, the 3. He plays far better playing up top and high wing. He can use his length on defence to defend out and be a helper for Govan's horrid defense (like Derrickson did last year). Leblanc and Mourning play that big defensive role rather well and can work offensively in a middle and attacking role. Hoyas have one ball handler in Akinjo and a ton of wing / guards, but many are still getting their shots in order for the season and the season has begun.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2018 21:59:09 GMT -5
Really could use Malinowski more against zones as he shoots 3s well, has a measured game, and defends well but the downside is the younger guys aren't progressing. Best 3 shooters are Govan, Malinowski, Blair, Akinjo, and then Pickett. Kaleb also can have a decent shot, but it seems like he is getting back game ready. Passing was also really off, but it seems like the ball was incredibly slick (every deadball they had the towels going at the ball. Swinging the ball, skip passes, and shooting over the zone are one way to beat it, but all of those seemed to be missing. You really think Akinjo, Blair & Malinowski are better shooters than Pickett?
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2018 21:59:55 GMT -5
Putrid. Pickett didn’t deserve the minutes he got. Brought absolutely zero on offense. Why not sub Carter for Pickett? Try something. Maybe he could have made a 3 or not... starters needed benching...
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Post by hoyadimes on Nov 16, 2018 22:01:10 GMT -5
Definitely saw a squad that wasn't committed to earning a win tonight. To have so many careless turnovers, and to allow so many strong right hand blow bys followed by late rotations on defense and poor weak side rebounding was a pretty hard watch. The team never found a decent rhythm and never went on a significant run. Hopefully this is an early season wake up call for a young team that will respond with a better effort come Sunday.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2018 22:03:11 GMT -5
Besides Josh and Jagan did anybody else want to play, everybody is talking about Mac but James beat the ball in to the ground in to many possessions, Jessie should have been taken that big guy off the dribble all night. We played great defense in the first half, second half went back to playing good old get beat off the dribble reach around with no help D in the paint. To much me not enough we basketball tonight I deeply agree with everything but Govan. Most of this shots were mid-range or farther in the 2nd half. He nearly always struggles when playing against another big. Govan is good inside when playing against smaller players. LMU's big was really slow, but got himself into good position, something Govan could learn from.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Nov 16, 2018 22:03:39 GMT -5
Who is carter?
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Post by McBricks on Nov 16, 2018 22:05:04 GMT -5
I think our team played up against Illinois because the crowd/atmosphere was great/loud. This game was the total opposite from a crowd/atmosphere standpoint. Does not bode well for the small crowds at MCI/Verizon/Cap.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 16, 2018 22:06:37 GMT -5
I'm still going to suggest Moseley in my starting lineup and I'm on the Malinowski train right now. I want better execution to start each half as well as a better defensive team on the floor. My concern is rebounding but I think Pickett is a better rebounder than Mourning right now. This change is all about substitution patterns and having second team that can come in as subs one by one or as a whole unit. PG: Akinjo (McClung) SG: Moseley (Blair) SF: Malinowski (Johnson) PF: Pickett (Leblanc) C: Govan (Mourning) I'm not calling for a major change in minutes but just when those minutes are played and who is playing against the other team's starting 5 to begin each half. My one exception to this is Mourning, who I feel is getting more minutes than deserved right now. The logic for starting the freshman backcourt falls on deaf ears when continuing to run Mourning out with the starting lineup. Pickett isn't remotely close to being a PF. He has no lower body strength and can't box out to save his lift. PF takes away his most valuable weapon, the 3. He plays far better playing up top and high wing. He can use his length on defence to defend out and be a helper for Govan's horrid defense (like Derrickson did last year). Leblanc and Mourning play that big defensive role rather well and can work offensively in a middle and attacking role. Hoyas have one ball handler in Akinjo and a ton of wing / guards, but many are still getting their shots in order for the season and the season has begun. I guess I disagree on them playing the big defensive role well. I think they get some nice blocks but not anything in down low defense that we lose with Pickett. I think Josh is much better with his length on the perimeter than I expected and is playing decent help defense. On offense, I'd like to see Pickett getting the early looks that Mourning is getting for a couple of reasons: 1) I'd like him taking the 15 to 18 foot jumper, 2) I don't want him just floating around the 3 pt lane, 3) I feel like this lineup gets either him or Malinowski some open 3'source early in the game. Through 4 games, Moseley is the only one on this team that knows how to effectively set a screen so I use him in that fashion to get guys open for early game looks. There are a number of different ways to attack this but I don't think this starting lineup is the right one. By the way, Pat has forgotten more about the game than I've ever known so this is just my uneducated opinion.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2018 22:09:13 GMT -5
Really could use Malinowski more against zones as he shoots 3s well, has a measured game, and defends well but the downside is the younger guys aren't progressing. Best 3 shooters are Govan, Malinowski, Blair, Akinjo, and then Pickett. Kaleb also can have a decent shot, but it seems like he is getting back game ready. Passing was also really off, but it seems like the ball was incredibly slick (every deadball they had the towels going at the ball. Swinging the ball, skip passes, and shooting over the zone are one way to beat it, but all of those seemed to be missing. You really think Akinjo, Blair & Malinowski are better shooters than Pickett? This year, yes. Pickett has really struggled with his shot so far. He will get it back, I hope. Malinowski shoots really well. He shoots the same shot every single time, which helps making 3s. Blair's shooting at the end of last season started hitting and that continued this season. Juggy is playing under control and has a good paced shot that often is going in. Akinjo can make space and shoot the 3 or set, but he also has a quite good deeper 3, which would really help against the zone. Pickett has been a really good 3 shooter, but that shot is currently just off.
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