hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 14, 2020 8:53:51 GMT -5
Good points MCI. If Timmy is starting to "beast" in practice and it translates to the games then that becomes a game changer for the trajectory of the season. If we can dominate the paint on both ends with the play that I expect from Morko and Juggy then we jump into the Top half of the BE. I guess we all think it is coach speak from Ewing but you are right, we should all be exciting about the prospects of Timmy being Q-Lite or dare I say Q's equal.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Nov 14, 2020 8:58:54 GMT -5
MCI, I know I am not alone in appreciating your passion and your thought provoking comments. I simply don't have anything to add. I believe this team is going to do better than a lot of "fans" expect.
I have faith in Coach. He has been adding big men for a reason and not just for warm bodies. The three bigs from last year are going to be a pleasant surprise. In limited minutes last year, Ighoefe added a dimension we haven't seen in years. I want our bigs to secure offensive rebounds, make opposing defenses respect their short jumper game, be the anchor of our defense and erase defensive shortcomings of others (I hope I am not asking too much). Thank you for the gentle reminder about Tim. I for one have not thrown this season away. We are going to make noise. When we do, I hope those that didn't give our players a chance like the taste of that black bird.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Nov 14, 2020 9:00:09 GMT -5
Time for a bump. Staff says that Timothy may be most improved. He’s becoming a beast. They love what Bile brings to the table and have been impressed with Kobe. Imagine waking up and learning that during a zoom session Georgetown coaches had remarked that Jamorko Pickett was becoming a beast. And let me make this clear that they may actually believe Pickett is on the verge of dominating in this upcoming season. But what if they actually came out and said he was beasting ? And let’s not stop with Jamorko. Consider the reaction that would follow if what was said about Ighoefe had been said in one way or another about certain other players on the roster. The praise wouldn’t even have to be as laudable as the ones above that blueandgray shared with us. It could have been simply something as “such and such have looked pretty good so far in practice.” Just picture if that type of more general and vague praise had been applied to certain guys that Hoya fandom have apparently placed their bets and hopes on for this coming season. Guys such as Jalen Harris, Dante Harris, Donald Carey, Jamari Sibley or even Kobe Clark and T.J. Berger. That would have generated a certain amount of, relatively speaking, excitement and piqued interest. I too would have been swept up in the giddiness of such news if it had been applied to a few of these same names I listed because I myself have high hopes for a couple of them. But WHERE is the reaction by Hoya fans when coaches used the word “beast” in reference to the growing development of a now listed 7 foot “kid” with a 250 pound NBA body? A player whose best days are still ahead of him considering he hasn’t gotten much playing time and was thrust into the American form of the basketball game for the first time last year. A player who at the very least has shown glimpses of good level athleticism and quickness for a guy his size. A big man who already has shown he has good hands. A player being coached by a gentleman who knows something about big man dominance. Ighoefe being called most improved is exactly how Terrell Allen referred to him on a Georgetown Instagram post in late spring or early summer. That was something I noted because Allen in my estimation had an opinion worth valuing after witnessing him take over the leadership role for the Hoyas despite only being part of the program for less than a year. Considering how little information we were getting on the development of returning Hoya players I thought this snippet of evaluation by Allen was telling. On Hoya Report someone who had also participated in the Zoom conference claimed that the coaches referred to Ighoefe and Bile as the "most impressive" so far in practice. Perhaps that was a slightly wrong interpretation of the coaches' words, but it nonetheless suggests that Ighoefe is standing out. On its own these words are very encouraging coming from a staff that regretfully doesn’t often publicly shower players with praise, particularly at this stage of the season. In my opinion it becomes even more intriguing considering its almost a certainty Ighoefe has made such impression battling every day against the dude who, in the same zoom conference, the coaches referred to as the best center in the Big East, Qudus Wahab; the one person who virtually every Hoya fans have high hopes for going into this upcoming season. Following the Big East Media Day I posted this in the thread dedicated to that media session: I finally got around to reading these comments made by Ewing and the players and the most promising (or at least interesting) insight as far as I am concerned is all the talk about Timothy Ighoefe. This was unexpected. Seriously no one here has taken the time to mention this? Here is the first drop of his name yesterday: So Ewing is asked about the importance of Pickett and pivots to discussing other key guys to share the burden. mentioning names like Blair and Wahab were totally expected. But he threw in Ighoefe's name as well. Why is that? One could assume its because these four are the only returning scholarship players who got any run last season. But let's be real. People have known that all along and yet still no one has previously elevated Ighoefe's name to such a point that it is mentioned alongside Pickett, Blair and Wahab in this fashion. Once again the drop of Ighoefe's name. I'm not sure in what context his name was used in the form of a question (or even if his name had been brought up at all), but Ewing is is speaking of him once more. Normally I may have been worried or deflated that his words about him and Wahab are not exactly adulatory, but I know how highly Ewing thinks of Wahab because he has talked so highly above him in the recent past. Has spat out the typical cliché of the sky being the limit for Wahab. Ewing thinks Wahab has a big future ahead of him. And by his very words, by intertwining the trajectories of both of these two, young Nigerian big men, he is implicitly saying the same thing about Ighoefe. Like I said Ewing is extremely high on Wahab. He chose Wahab, as a sophomore, to be one of the two Hoya player representatives for Big East Media Day. Its a guarantee that Wahab is a starter. Nonetheless Aidan of Hoyas247 picked up something on Ewing's comments about Ighoefe and decided to press him about the possibility of Ighoefe taking some minutes, at the very least, from Wahab. Ewing's lack of a decided response, his lack of brushing such a question off altogether, can be interpreted as meaning that yes there is a chance of this. And that bodes very well imo for Ighoefe and the team. Lets go back to Hyas247 one last time with a quote from Wahab More Timmy talk! Wahab mentioning how he is comfortable at playing the four or five? Wahab talking about the idea of being on the floor at the same time as Ighoefe? Where have I come across this idea before? Oh, yeah. And this too. The first guy needs no introduction. The second, Duval Simmonds, is a former college basketball player and current trainer who has been working with Wahab before he even signed with Georgetown. What you get in both is the suggestion of not only playing Wahab and Ighoefe at the same time but also of the possibility that such an idea could actually work. It proposes a very exciting notion that either one of the guys or both can legitimately play the four. Its coming from two people with enough inside knowledge (pickup games, practice, summer workouts) about Wahab and Ighoefe to know if this can be done and if they can compliment one another. Funny that when I posted the tweet by Simmmonds weeks ago, HoyaTalkers almost immediately made it about how Wahab could play alongside Ryan Mutombo. Typical. As always Ighoefe remained an afterthought to them. But apparently he is not as much the non-factor they have made him out to be. Here's one more take: Philadelphia Hoya appears to be spotlighting a quote by John Fanta. This doesn't appear to be some random remark by Fanta in which he is being kind by throwing in Ighoefe's name because he too is a big man on scholarship. If that was the case why not mention Malcolm Wilson too? But notice how Wilson is not mention by name anywhere which means at this point Wilson hasn't shown enough separation from the pack to get acknowledge at this time. But Ighpefe has. Here are the observations by Fanta in their entirety: www.bigeast.com/news/2020/10/28/mens-basketball-big-east-media-day-notebook-11-takes.aspxGeorgetown Could we see a pair of sophomore Hoya towers on the floor at the same time this season? Patrick Ewing isn’t ruling it out, because he’s seeing two of his big men make progress together by competing against one another in practice. Georgetown will be led in the post by second-year big guys Qudus Wahab and Timothy Ighoefe. Wahab showed flashes of potential last season, including a six-block performance in February against DePaul. They will be relied upon to man the interior this season. I'd be willing to bet good money that Fanta wasn't even aware of Ighoefe or at least remembered him before today's media day. And now he's referencing Twin Towers? Considering how highly Fanta thinks of Wahab it is pretty doubtful he would even make such a reference unless the comments about Ighoefe succeeded in making an impression. One last nugget of info. On Hoya Report the moderator has supplied some brief info days back from Georgetown program insiders about first impressions of players in these early days of practice (please don't ask me/DM for info). The comments regarding Ighoefe, again while brief and not terribly specific, are encouraging and one of the more positive feedbacks. I find all of this to be promising insight. No one else? A seven foot big man weighing at least 250 pounds who has soft hands and is athletic and agile is not exactly a player that grows on trees. That he is apparently making very good progress should be catching everyone's attention. Yet despite this growing accumulation of positive buzz about Ighoefe, the Hoya fandom has been virtually silent. Silent on message boards and websites. On twitter and on certain Hoya-centric podcasts there have been in fact those going out of their way to tamp down expectations for Ighoefe. Why is that? Yes, buzz has to translate to performance on the court if any difference is to be made but that applies to every player. However if anywhere near this buzz had been growing for players I already mentioned people would be running with it, looking at it as a sign of hope if not for this season than perhaps the next. This is the gist of every other comments made about D. Harris, Sibley and Kobe. And don’t get me started on Donald Carey whom Hoya fans have penciled in as a two-year starter who they see as arguably the most crucial newcomer. If Hoya coaches had insinuated any indication that he was standing out in practice at this point, Georgetown fans would be all over it, some may have even gone as far to predict that the Hoyas could make the Big Dance. But all of these promising tidbits about Ighoefe has led to the biggest indifferent shrug that I have ever witnessed by Hoya fans since this medium known as the internet has become a thing. And that makes no sense. Are we that jaded? Or are we not excited because Ighoefe didn’t arrive with four to five stars attached to his name and therefore we see him as a placeholder until someone like Ryan Mutombo arrives? The only logical reason I can see for people not caring about anything regarding Ighoefe is because they don’t see him being as much of a necessity because Wahab is the starting center which makes Ighoefe pretty much a backup. That’s fine but doesn’t having such a backup give us as fans a little more comfort going into the season? Doesn’t that mean we have more fouls to give at the position and that the dropoff won’t be too bad if Ighoefe has to sub in for Wahab? And by the way for those who are so excited about Mutombo coming in while still expecting Wahab to be around next season, wouldn’t Mutombo be in a similar role that first season? So why all the anticipation for Mutombo’s arrival next season and none for Ighoefe this coming year? It has to be the four-star ranking of Mutombo because I can’t see any other reason (and, no, being the son of a Hoya great shouldn’t by itself get a person’s hopes up for team success). Then again people have curiously placed high expectations on this year's newcomers who weren't highly regarded either. So perhaps it may come down to any success of Ighoefe and any possibility of his making a huge difference does not fit the narrative that some have already laid out in their minds when it comes to the team's fortunes. For those sick of me tooting Ighoefe’s horn let me tell you I am even more sick of having to do so. I honestly wish others had taken up that cause from time to time. But every instance some positive news or hints regarding Ighoefe’s progress drops the only thing that follows is the sound of crickets. That makes me feel compelled to write something, to post anything. I wish more of us would try that because isn’t that what we as fans are supposed to do? If Wahab and Ighoefe both turn out to be studs then I hope I don’t ever again come across posts playing down a player’s potential because they didn’t come in highly regarded according to the recruiting gurus. Thank you for pulling this together and providing a kick in the ass...when more knowledgeable fans, such as yourself, get excited about something it has an impact. I'll admit though, my enthusiasm is a bit tempered for sophomore Ighoefe because I got to see him play last year. He exudes potential - he has a great mix of size and fluidity, but also looked raw with respect to feel for the game and on the offensive end. That is not a surprised nor a knock on him...he was a freshman and a green one at that. I expect him to continue to grow and be a good player for us. And if he (with the help of the staff) can fully tap into that potential over his college career, we'll have a great player on our hands. It is just hard to imagine, in the middle of a pandemic where game play was limited or curtailed, that his feel and understanding for the game has improved that dramatically since March. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong and god knows that the people making these evaluations have forgotten more basketball than I know. But being a stud in practice is different than being one in a game. As for other players, freshman will always garner unbridled optimism because they are blank slates. I mean, most of us have only seen their video mixes in which everyone is Jordanesque, so a leap to college stud is not unfathomable, and the usual folks here haven't had a chance to figure out why they hate them yet. And we are relying on on Pickett or Wahab and they've shown more on the court, so any crumb of good news will naturally get amplified. Keep on championing your guy - it is nice to have some positivity here and hopefully you can shove it in our faces when Ighoefe is tearing down rims and sending opposing shots into the second row. hm
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 14, 2020 12:10:05 GMT -5
MCI, I love your passion about this! I too was very excited about Ighoefe last year. Considering how late he arrived and how high the expectations were for...I wasnt sure what to expect immediately, but because he had strong internatiobal experience, I did have good expectations. He came in an made an impact. He looked like he belonged! This year, I expect an even stronger performance. My hope is that Qudus has settled down a bit and can take jumpers in the flow of the game. Tim can handle the middle. He is big and agile...soft hands. Of course Coach Ewing knows all about "twin towers." He demolished Kentucky's twin towers on the way to the championship! It's great to see excitement about the upcoming season despite low expectations from the press! I think we will surprise many! It depends on how the team comes together.. I believe we have talent and I expect Ewing to coach them up! Go Hoyas!
I am still wondering what is happening with Malcolm Wilson!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 13:53:19 GMT -5
I told you guys that Tim will be playing and don't be surprised, like I said before, if he and Q play at the same time for some stretches of the games (Mutombo too when he gets here and especially Mutombo because he can stretch the floor from 15 feet away).
The problem with both Tim and Q is that they both foul a lot and usually those fouls come quick in the game. Both players, when they are on the court either together or as individuals, got to learn to curb the fouling if they are to stay on the floor together for some stretches. Q climbs on his opponents backs when he's rebounding and Tim reaches a lot. However both big men are talented big men and there is no doubt about it.
Both guys have to work on defending the post better than they have in their freshmen campaign. I feel both guys offensive game is there. Q's got Hakeem moves and Tim is tenacious on the boards and can score off of bounds and has a little post up game. So for me, this is no surprise. In fact, I expect nothing less from Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 14:01:46 GMT -5
Between this & the Q thread, I can't believe we're not Top 3 nationally going into the season.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 14, 2020 14:48:40 GMT -5
Thank you for pulling this together and providing a kick in the ass...when more knowledgeable fans, such as yourself, get excited about something it has an impact. I'll admit though, my enthusiasm is a bit tempered for sophomore Ighoefe because I got to see him play last year. He exudes potential - he has a great mix of size and fluidity, but also looked raw with respect to feel for the game and on the offensive end. That is not a surprised nor a knock on him...he was a freshman and a green one at that. I expect him to continue to grow and be a good player for us. And if he (with the help of the staff) can fully tap into that potential over his college career, we'll have a great player on our hands. It is just hard to imagine, in the middle of a pandemic where game play was limited or curtailed, that his feel and understanding for the game has improved that dramatically since March. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong and god knows that the people making these evaluations have forgotten more basketball than I know. But being a stud in practice is different than being one in a game. As for other players, freshman will always garner unbridled optimism because they are blank slates. I mean, most of us have only seen their video mixes in which everyone is Jordanesque, so a leap to college stud is not unfathomable, and the usual folks here haven't had a chance to figure out why they hate them yet. And we are relying on on Pickett or Wahab and they've shown more on the court, so any crumb of good news will naturally get amplified. Keep on championing your guy - it is nice to have some positivity here and hopefully you can shove it in our faces when Ighoefe is tearing down rims and sending opposing shots into the second row. hm I appreciate your response but this whole "feel for the game" thing is a critique thrown around by a few regarding Ighoefe that I simply disagree with. Its hard to prove anyhow, especially without a larger sample size of playing time. I don't think he looked lost or out of place as others have suggested. He definitely wasn't making spins into defenders, throwing terrible passes or consistently out of place on defense. But that is just my take. MCI, I love your passion about this! I too was very excited about Ighoefe last year. Considering how late he arrived and how high the expectations were for...I wasnt sure what to expect immediately, but because he had strong internatiobal experience, I did have good expectations. He came in an made an impact. He looked like he belonged!! Thanks but I want to make it clear I am not overly passionate about this. This isn't some RBB or Roy Hibbert scenario where I am trying to make a case base on my gut feelings. I am bringing all this up about Ighoefe because other people in the know have been giving hints for six months now about his development, only for it to be followed by Hoya fandom silence. I'm picking up the slack for what I believe is a shockingly lack of genuine response by folks.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 15, 2020 14:00:03 GMT -5
I'm glad Timmy I is getting more mention. If this year goes according to hopes, Tim will be our starting C next year. It was mentioned already but one reason Tim doesn't get the respect that Qudus does is that Qudus is already the starter. That said, while it's not common in modern basketball, I could see us running two bigs out there and it can be more effective in College where developed and super versatile 4s are not as common. I agree with MCI that Tim's feel for the game is ok, the NBA academy in Africa can teach players BB IQ and footwork. He just needs the game time to get used to the speed of play in the US to make those moves more decisively. The main thing holding back Tim to me is his defense...he's just so big and so fast that refs see fouls where it's just him out-athleteing other guys even if he loses on defense initially and has to recover.
I hadn't commented on the idea that Timmy I is a "beast" because he looked like a beast last year, just raw. His career path and trajectory looks right in line and Pat's 2019 class of bigs are rounding out nicely.
Finally, if Pat can be successful playing two bigs (not all the time but for a decent chunk), that could be a good half-court formula going forward (especially with how many elite big recruits he's come close with): 2 PGs that can shoot and take care of the ball, wings that can shoot (driving will be nice but the interior will be clogged{, and 2 bigs (the key is having a guy with range). Now for this year, we're not totally there but there are rumblings that Wahab can play with range and our wings can shoot even if they are more the attacking the hoop type then 3pt type. It would be a look that could give us advantages in some games in CBB...we'll definitely need to be able to defend other teams though and that is where there are a lot of questions. In the past, Pat has definitely wanted the team to run so the key will be bigs that can run with the wings and guards he finds but he hasn't found a calling card in the half court...this could be it.
On another note, I think Timmy has the size to be a NFL TE if the basketball route doesn't come calling his Jr/Sr year.
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Post by paranoia2 on Nov 15, 2020 17:23:36 GMT -5
Tim runs the court with speed & long strides. Every sport goes through phases...until somebody does something retro or new age. The twin tower lineup could be a retro “fit” for the Hoyas.
I believe Tim w be a FORCE.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 25, 2020 18:04:43 GMT -5
Wow, reports of Timmy’s improvement were GREATLY exaggerated. I get it. First game, lots of rust for all. But Tim looked not so good.
Impressed by Carey and Kobe. Morko looks same. Sigh...
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 25, 2020 19:58:30 GMT -5
People were seriously suggesting playing him and Wahab together. It's impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 11:17:37 GMT -5
People were seriously suggesting playing him and Wahab together. It's impossible. The main problem with both players, and I said it before, is that they both foul at a very high clip. The high fouling rate affects the flow of their individual games and of the team play. If you watched the game, you will see that what I said about Tim and Q's fouling is true. Tim reaches a lot and Q climbs on players backs. They both will get better with time and patience. Tim will be a force inside and Q already is a force inside. However both guys have to keep working on their inside game both on offense and defense. It is going to take some time but they both will get there. When they do, if Patrick decides too, you will see them on the floor together.
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 26, 2020 12:48:44 GMT -5
Them being on the floor together is nonsense. That's a slow lineup that can't guard on the perimeter and offensively creates no spacing.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 26, 2020 13:11:38 GMT -5
Them being on the floor together is nonsense. That's a slow lineup that can't guard on the perimeter and offensively creates no spacing. This is 100% correct and I don't see how others can see it any differently...especially if you watched the game yesterday...and to be clear that is not a shot at either player. They are both centers. That is abundantly clear. Neither is a 4. Neither can guard a 4. Neither has a reliable jumpshot outside of 8 feet. It causes issues on both ends of the floor if they are on the floor together. If you want to tell me MAYBE at the end of a half you want to play some type of 3-2 zone to mix up your look then MAYBE they see the floor together as a massive backnline. That's it beyond we have massive foul trouble and no other choice. At this point and granted its a minuscule sample size so nothing can really be determined but based off yesterday's game I am looking to see more Wilson and less Tim.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 26, 2020 13:46:24 GMT -5
Them being on the floor together is nonsense. That's a slow lineup that can't guard on the perimeter and offensively creates no spacing. This is 100% correct and I don't see how others can see it any differently...especially if you watched the game yesterday...and to be clear that is not a shot at either player. They are both centers. That is abundantly clear. Neither is a 4. Neither can guard a 4. Neither has a reliable jumpshot outside of 8 feet. It causes issues on both ends of the floor if they are on the floor together. If you want to tell me MAYBE at the end of a half you want to play some type of 3-2 zone to mix up your look then MAYBE they see the floor together as a massive backnline. That's it beyond we have massive foul trouble and no other choice. At this point and granted its a minuscule sample size so nothing can really be determined but based off yesterday's game I am looking to see more Wilson and less Tim. Based on what we saw yesterday, that doesn’t appear to be a good idea. There may be circumstances where that could change.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Nov 26, 2020 15:21:44 GMT -5
Them being on the floor together is nonsense. That's a slow lineup that can't guard on the perimeter and offensively creates no spacing. I would be more incline to see Malcom with one or if not the both Tim or Qudus on the floor. Malcom seems to be a little quicker a foot then Tim and Qudus and can closeout faster, this would be a natural move for Malcom it's what he did in HS.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 26, 2020 15:39:43 GMT -5
Tim looks like an athletic beast, but someone who is very much still learning the game. Would like to see him develop his offensive game much more and think that is got be a season-long challenge. Still optimistic about his future potential but his minutes this years may ultimately be diminished if the Hoyas go small with Bile in the post.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 26, 2020 16:28:55 GMT -5
Tim looks like an athletic beast, but someone who is very much still learning the game. Would like to see him develop his offensive game much more and think that is got be a season-long challenge. Still optimistic about his future potential but his minutes this years may ultimately be diminished if the Hoyas go small with Bile in the post. I think he just needs to play more. He is so enormous, with long arms. Let's see how Coach Ewing develops him!
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 26, 2020 16:36:25 GMT -5
Tim looks like an athletic beast, but someone who is very much still learning the game. Would like to see him develop his offensive game much more and think that is got be a season-long challenge. Still optimistic about his future potential but his minutes this years may ultimately be diminished if the Hoyas go small with Bile in the post. I think he just needs to play more. He is so enormous, with long arms. Let's see how Coach Ewing develops him! Well that's on him...coach Ewing can only play you so much when you have 4 fouls in 15 minutes...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 27, 2020 10:20:11 GMT -5
IT WILL TAKE TIME. BE PATIENT WITH THIS YOUNG MAN. TONS OF POTENTIAL HERE.
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