This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Dec 3, 2017 21:22:33 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:
Govan was dominate with 26 pts, 16 rbs with Derrickson and Pickett adding 13 pts a piece. The Hoyas outrebounded Coppin St. 40 to 28 Tonight Gtown had 15 asst vs 16 to's
Final Grade: C
Cincinnati, Cleveland, Rutgers, and Ohio have all beaten Coppin St. by 24 to 43 pts ( 2-43 pts losses were by Cincy and their last game vs. Ohio).
Too many turnovers and the defense needs improvement. For all of the 1st half and midway thru the 2nd half the game was competitive and it should not have been. On too many possessions when Coppin St. rotated the ball their was an open player for a 3pt shot. Fortunately, Coppin St. shot 9/33 from the 3pt line for only 27%
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Post by calhoya on Dec 3, 2017 21:35:15 GMT -5
This was also the first game with poor FT shooting. Instead of shooting 79% they shot 66% and missed 12 FTs.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 4, 2017 0:43:41 GMT -5
A couple of random thoughts.
(1). It sure looks and feels like Sodom may red shirt this year. I actually think he’d benefit from it. If he can’t get in versus Coppin State, I just don’t see him playing once conference starts.
(2). While Mulmore is showing signs of improvement, I think we are at our best when the ball is in mosely’s Hands and he is pushing the pace. He seems to be more fluid than mulmore and a better finisher as well. I also like what Dickerson brought to the table tonight. I like his speed and toughness. At one point he looked like Gene Smith employing his own full court press.
(3). Getting Pickett back into the flow was big. I’d like to see Blair do the same before conference play starts. We are going to need a spark off the bench.
(4). Walker had the best post move I have seen from any Hoya this year. In 4 years the kid could be a beast.
I give us a C- tonight. Glad we came away with a win.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 4, 2017 1:13:50 GMT -5
A couple of random thoughts. (1). It sure looks and feels like Sodom may red shirt this year. I actually think he’d benefit from it. If he can’t get in versus Coppin State, I just don’t see him playing once conference starts. (2). While Mulmore is showing signs of improvement, I think we are at our best when the ball is in mosely’s Hands and he is pushing the pace. He seems to be more fluid than mulmore and a better finisher as well. I also like what Dickerson brought to the table tonight. I like his speed and toughness. At one point he looked like Gene Smith employing his own full court press. (3). Getting Pickett back into the flow was big. I’d like to see Blair do the same before conference play starts. We are going to need a spark off the bench. (4). Walker had the best post move I have seen from any Hoya this year. In 4 years the kid could be a beast. I give us a C- tonight. Glad we came away with a win. I think we did not see Sodom today because the game was too close most of the way. Coppin State made a tactical move to play very deliberate on offense and defense(no pressing to last 2 minutes). Mulmore has been playing better than Dickerson on offense and especially on defense. Dickerson gets lost on defense quite a bit. If Moseley could consistently hit a jump shot I too would rather see him running the point. I liked Pickets aggressiveness in taking the open shot and making most of his attempts. Would like to see him be more of a beast on the boards like Otto was though. I liked Patrick’s substitution of Walker for Derrickson near end of first half. He responded with some big rebounds and a nice post move. Like him coming in for Doc instead of Picket at the small forward position. I am sure Patrick is a litttle skeptical about two freshmen being in at the forward positions at this stage of the year, but Walker is better suited for big forward with Picket Blair and Johnson taking shots at the small forward position.
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Dec 4, 2017 1:18:34 GMT -5
Tough to judge as honestly, I can't imagine the kids got up for this game. The schedule is painfully bad, and one would have to believe that impacts the players as well. Waiting for Cuse to decide if we are a quality team or not. Orange hung tough with Kansas, and if it weren't for Grahm going off at the end of the first half, the game would have been even until the 5 minute mark of the 2nd half.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2017 6:23:43 GMT -5
A couple of random thoughts. (1). It sure looks and feels like Sodom may red shirt this year. I actually think he’d benefit from it. If he can’t get in versus Coppin State, I just don’t see him playing once conference starts. (2). While Mulmore is showing signs of improvement, I think we are at our best when the ball is in mosely’s Hands and he is pushing the pace. He seems to be more fluid than mulmore and a better finisher as well. I also like what Dickerson brought to the table tonight. I like his speed and toughness. At one point he looked like Gene Smith employing his own full court press. (3). Getting Pickett back into the flow was big. I’d like to see Blair do the same before conference play starts. We are going to need a spark off the bench. (4). Walker had the best post move I have seen from any Hoya this year. In 4 years the kid could be a beast. I give us a C- tonight. Glad we came away with a win. I think we did not see Sodom today because the game was too close most of the way. Coppin State made a tactical move to play very deliberate on offense and defense(no pressing to last 2 minutes). Mulmore has been playing better than Dickerson on offense and especially on defense. Dickerson gets lost on defense quite a bit. If Moseley could consistently hit a jump shot I too would rather see him running the point. I liked Pickets aggressiveness in taking the open shot and making most of his attempts. Would like to see him be more of a beast on the boards like Otto was though. I liked Patrick’s substitution of Walker for Derrickson near end of first half. He responded with some big rebounds and a nice post move. Like him coming in for Doc instead of Picket at the small forward position. I am sure Patrick is a litttle skeptical about two freshmen being in at the forward positions at this stage of the year, but Walker is better suited for big forward with Picket Blair and Johnson taking shots at the small forward position. Red shirting Sodom might be a good idea of that gives us 5 years of him developing. Although we still need a backup center.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2017 6:24:57 GMT -5
Tough to judge as honestly, I can't imagine the kids got up for this game. The schedule is painfully bad, and one would have to believe that impacts the players as well. Waiting for Cuse to decide if we are a quality team or not. Orange hung tough with Kansas, and if it weren't for Grahm going off at the end of the first half, the game would have been even until the 5 minute mark of the 2nd half. Those kids from Fanny Jackson Coppin state came to play. They just have no size or inside game.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 4, 2017 6:46:41 GMT -5
good effort defensively and on the boards but just a sloppy game offensively. too many TO's. this team isn't going to shoot the lights out from 3. get good looks from 2 and be aggressive. keep getting to the ft line. keep racking up wins but more important be better today than yesterday and better tomorrow than today (Harbaugh).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 4, 2017 8:07:37 GMT -5
Guys - in order to qualify for a non-medical redshirt, you cannot play even a minute. So unless he sustains a season-ending injury, this season is gone for Sodom.
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 4, 2017 8:21:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure our defense will allow us to win even one BE game. It is awful. I am serious. To me, at the guard spot, I see Mosely as the only one capable of pulling his weight defensively. At the forward position, no one. Hope I am proven wrong.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 4, 2017 8:41:58 GMT -5
The staff did a terrible job in not having the team adjust to Coppins slow down tactics, so much for pushing the pace..
This was the type of performance that MCI & other posters would get on JT3 for..
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 4, 2017 8:48:07 GMT -5
We are not a good team right now, and nobody is fooled by the record. Coach is using these cupcake games to determine the rotation when we play the big boys. Doesn't mean we will be good then either, but is this really a surprise? The program is climbing out of a deep hole, and patience is required.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 4, 2017 9:22:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure our defense will allow us to win even one BE game. It is awful. I am serious. To me, at the guard spot, I see Mosely as the only one capable of pulling his weight defensively. At the forward position, no one. Hope I am proven wrong. I think Kaleb is a serviceable defender. I hear you though. I’d like to see us play a bit more zone here and there.
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Post by practice on Dec 4, 2017 9:25:59 GMT -5
Guys - in order to qualify for a non-medical redshirt, you cannot play even a minute. So unless he sustains a season-ending injury, this season is gone for Sodom. Hopefully the caliber of Ewing's recruiting will continue to improve and in four years we'll be ready for Sodom to graduate and let younger 4 and 5 star guys get some PT!
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 4, 2017 9:27:45 GMT -5
We are not a good team right now, and nobody is fooled by the record. Coach is using these cupcake games to determine the rotation when we play the big boys. Doesn't mean we will be good then either, but is this really a surprise? The program is climbing out of a deep hole, and patience is required. They may not be a good team but does that mean they can't play to their potential? The team stepped up & played better @ Richmond but has regressed badly these last two games imo.. Also these games are for the staff to get it's coaching chops up too, they showed nothing last night..
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 4, 2017 10:03:38 GMT -5
I am not defending the coaching in the Coppin game, and Patrick should not be immune from criticism. But nobody knows the potential of the team at this point, perhaps not even Ewing. Maybe Richmond, which was not all that impressive in itself, was an outlier. Coach is learning along with us. I think you would concede that if we flame out against Syracuse and in the Big East, we are not very good. Or will that be all the Coach's fault in your view?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 4, 2017 10:21:40 GMT -5
Some game thoughts:
General Observations: - This felt like a game where the team knew they could win no matter what they did, so they did not play with any urgency, at least on defense. There were multiple possessions where our defense ranged from downright awful to really bad. If anybody has any doubts, look back at your DVR recording and look at possessions in the first half starting at 10:59 (poor transition defense, leading to easy three for Coppin State), and 6:42 (an inbound play where Coppin State made a few passes and our guys stood around as they got an easy three).
- While we had a rebounding edge overall, we also had some really bad sequences, like one starting at 18:20 with Coppin State getting multiple offensive rebounds, and then airballing a three. These are the possessions that will kill us against better opponents. You cannot give a team like Xavier, Seton Hall, or even St. John's three chances at baskets and expect them to whiff like Coppin State did.
- I did not detect that "speed it up" aspect of Ewing's offense that we've seen in other games. It seemed more like we were walking the ball up slowly, and let Coppin State dictate pace.
- I don't fully blame the team. It's hard to get up for a game when the level of competition is so low it's not really a challenge. I know the schedule defenders say we need these games for Ewing to get a feel for the team and build chemistry. If so, why have we played our worst basketball the last two games? Why did we seem to play better and with more urgency at the beginning of the season?
- On Sodom, I agree he'd be an ideal red shirt, but he played already. Unless it's an injury redshirt, you cannot get a redshirt once you've played. This is why guys like Mourning cannot get them despite limited minutes early on, and why Hayes needed a waiver to get his extra year of eligibility.
The Good:
- Jesse Govan: Very solid game. I hope he can continue to show improvement against better competition like Syracuse.
- Pickett: Back on track with his shooting, 3-5 from three. With time, if he can keep up his shooting and reduce turnovers, he will be a really important part of this team.
- Walker: While he didn't impact the game hugely, I like that Walker seems to play very solidly - he did have one turnover, but generally he takes care of the ball well and doesn't make big mistakes.
- FTs: The free throw disparity continued to help us. We took 36 to their 18. We made 24, they made 15. Without the FT disparity, this game would have likely ended in the single digits.
The Concerning:
- Offense: We only scored 1.03 points per percentage against the 322nd worse defense in the nation. Last year, our offense against Coppin State scored 1.43 points per possession.
- Defense: Coppin State scored .081 points per possession, whereas last year against us, they scored 0.66 points per possesion.
(Note: Some of these differences could simply reflect that last year's team was better, but I don't think it's all that).
- Three Point Shooting: As expected, our three point shooting is coming back to reality - 6-18 from the line. Our guards were particularly bad. Blair was 0-3, Dickerson was 0-1, Mosely was 0-1, Kaleb was 0-2, and Mulmore was 0-1. That's a combination of 0-8 from our guards.
- Turnovers: More of the same. 16 is too many.
- Guards: I touched on this in the three point shooting bullet, above, but we cannot win games if our guards go 0-8 from three. Turnovers are a problem too - Mulmore had 4 in 21 minutes, Dickerson had 3 in 12 minutes, and Blair had 2 in 12 minutes.
I realize it was tempting to extol the virtues of Kaleb and Mulmore after the last set of games, but this game shows that while they likely have improved, it's still not a sure thing that they are going to have consistently strong performances every game. I am concerned about them (and the other guards) during Big East play, but I hope they step it up.
- Mental Game: While I have complained about the schedule a lot, it's obviously not changing, so what are our guys going to do to keep their heads in the game while plowing through the rest of the schedule? They need to get it together. Georgia Tech was upset by Grambling, a good reminder that while it's hugely unlikely, losing these games is possible if you really let it go.
I still think there's virtually no chance we could lose to Howard, North Carolina A&T or Alabama A&M, but North Texas (ranked 287 now) is slightly better, and not a game you can totally assume is an for-sure win.
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Post by lastmanstandig on Dec 4, 2017 10:32:58 GMT -5
Often these odd start times are dictated by TV issues. What's weird is that being part of the BB&T, the GW v. Temple game starts at 2:30 -- there's at least a 90 minute gap between games and tickets gain you admission to both. That's a long time between games.
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Post by beenaround on Dec 4, 2017 10:33:58 GMT -5
Obviously a disappointing game, but like all of us, not sure what to take away from it. I think there is a point where its only natural to not "get up" to play vastly inferior teams in an empty ,lifeless gym. I know, I know..I am a mere fan who knows nothing..and according to many here Patrick is getting an enormous amount of info about the team from these games , etc. I hope this is true...as I am a HUGE PE fan and would love him to be our coach for the next 10 years. So bottom line..I guess we won't know a dam thing till we play Cuse. I do wish Sodom would get some PT. Govan is not a very good defender, and will certainly get into foul trouble throughout the Big East season. We will need some minutes from him.
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Post by lastmanstandig on Dec 4, 2017 10:34:10 GMT -5
Not sure if this was addressed elsewhere in the thread, but from what I was told, TV had no barring on the start times. Georgetown wanted its full pre-game as if there was no prior game.
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