HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Nov 16, 2017 13:07:40 GMT -5
The schedule is a joke. I somewhat understand why Ewing went that route and I'm somewhat sympathetic. But it is not only gonna bite us in terms of prep and being able to gauge, it will also make getting to the NCAA tourney almost impossible even if the team turns out better than expected. Question: Is getting to the NCAA Tournament this season as a #12 or #13 seed and getting blown out in the first round all that much better than not making the NCAA Tournament at all? I'm fine with tempering expectations this season, and not worrying about whether the Hoyas are playing after the Big East Tournament championship game has been played. Hey, we might win. Historically, lower seeds have done well in our NCAA games. |
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2017 13:14:23 GMT -5
I certainly don’t think Robinson is going to finish the year shooting 100% on 3-pt teardrops (did he invent that shot last night), but I do think you undervalue him. And yes, MSM is a cupcake, particularly inside. But I guess I just see many more reasons for optimism than concern at this point. I arrived at the game expecting to see a mess - a flotsam of mismatched personnel floundering through the transition period of a first-year coach. What I saw instead was a pretty fluid group executing better with less talent than any JT3 group since OP left the Hilltop. I don't think anyone is concerned about the post season. The games are fun to watch and the players are giving 100% effort. Last year you could tell there was a couple guys who had checked out and stopped giving effort and stopped listening to coach and that was frustrating to see. Fortunately those guys are no longer here. (Except Akoy, he was giving 100% and on here his friend was saying Akoy was complaining about the guys who checked out. It was too bad he left but I figure he felt his PT was going to go down with a healthy mourning and derricspn.) What players do you think checked out last season? |
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 16, 2017 13:16:06 GMT -5
Observations from first Ewing game live after attending literally hundreds of JT3 games: 1. GU desperately needs a PG - it’s going to likely be the difference between a stunning debut and just a good one for Pat and Co. 2. Style of ball is so much better to watch - wow, what a difference. Team with weaker personnel on paper than last season looks better than any Hoyas team in years relative to comfort on floor and flow. There aren’t those hideous halting moments where the bigs flash high, get the ball and hold the ball for 10 seconds before awkwardly handing off. And this is Game 2 with a punch of pups playing. Most impressive to me is how well this team passes and moves ball in half court given that’s not even really the uptempo focus. Not to Edited on the departed, but juxtaposition is NOT kind to JT3. 3. Yeah, it’s MSM, but they were a tourney team last season, Junior is a very good player and we handled them more convincingly than ND or Marquette. 4. Pickett is a future pro. Kid is big time. Blair is going to be solid. Once again, really too bad this team doesn’t have a natural PG. 5. Mulmore is ... well... not a PG. Kid totally lacks the spacing and passing intuition to be the handles under pressure for a legit squad. 6. As stated by many ITT above, Govan is a totally different player. 7. Pat can coach. Shame on me for questioning a guy who spent as long as he did on NBA benches, but he knows what he is doing - no doubt. You don’t look as reasonably smooth and confident as this group looked last night against reasonable competition in Game 2 unless growth is happening at a solid rate in practice. We’ll see if Pat has a late-game knack later this season, but he has them prepared. 8. Love the intensity. Was Pat scorching guys routinely? No, but the guy who said above his demeanor is similar to JT3’s just doesn’t know what he’s watching. Sodom got a Popsesque 90-second short shift in the first half last night when he didn’t box out one of MSM’s midgets. And during the Mount’s only “run” of the game when they cut it to 15 in second half, Ewing at one point yanked Derrickson for playing crap D and settling for deep 3s and gave him one heck of an earful on reinsertion. Dude is way more intense than 3, and his players reflect that with intensity. 9. No way is this the worst team in the BE. Certainly not the best, but we are going to shock some folks this season and absolutely pull some upsets. Love, love, love what I️ see so far. Regarding the point guard position, I agree, but the problem is minimized when we play as we did last night. I sat down to watch prepared to count the number of times we had dribble penetration (with maybe a kick out) in a half court set. I quit after a little while because there were hardly any wholly half court possessions, and Jaquan was more than adequate when we were running. On those nights when we can't board and run like we did last night, it's going to be an issue though. |
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Post by This Just In on Nov 16, 2017 13:16:54 GMT -5
The schedule is a joke. I somewhat understand why Ewing went that route and I'm somewhat sympathetic. But it is not only gonna bite us in terms of prep and being able to gauge, it will also make getting to the NCAA tourney almost impossible even if the team turns out better than expected. Question: Is getting to the NCAA Tournament this season as a #12 or #13 seed and getting blown out in the first round all that much better than not making the NCAA Tournament at all? I'm fine with tempering expectations this season, and not worrying about whether the Hoyas are playing after the Big East Tournament championship game has been played. This is a very, very good question. Inside the Program: It means a lot to make the tournament. Job security, the optics that the program is on the right track, and optimism. Outside the Program: Some people still think JT3 is the head coach. For more informed people, either result happening is viewed as different coach same Hoya results Or the disclaimer that "Patrick needs a second year before judging his coaching prowess." |
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Post by This Just In on Nov 16, 2017 13:18:53 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is concerned about the post season. The games are fun to watch and the players are giving 100% effort. Last year you could tell there was a couple guys who had checked out and stopped giving effort and stopped listening to coach and that was frustrating to see. Fortunately those guys are no longer here. (Except Akoy, he was giving 100% and on here his friend was saying Akoy was complaining about the guys who checked out. It was too bad he left but I figure he felt his PT was going to go down with a healthy mourning and derricspn.) What players do you think checked out last season? I knew someone would ask this question and knowing how this board is, I do not think that professorhoya is going to go there. |
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Post by lucky on Nov 16, 2017 13:19:16 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is concerned about the post season. The games are fun to watch and the players are giving 100% effort. Last year you could tell there was a couple guys who had checked out and stopped giving effort and stopped listening to coach and that was frustrating to see. Fortunately those guys are no longer here. (Except Akoy, he was giving 100% and on here his friend was saying Akoy was complaining about the guys who checked out. It was too bad he left but I figure he felt his PT was going to go down with a healthy mourning and derricspn.) What players do you think checked out last season? I'd say Copeland checked out while in Maui from what I saw sitting 15 feet behind the bench. |
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 16, 2017 13:19:27 GMT -5
The schedule is a joke. I somewhat understand why Ewing went that route and I'm somewhat sympathetic. But it is not only gonna bite us in terms of prep and being able to gauge, it will also make getting to the NCAA tourney almost impossible even if the team turns out better than expected. Question: Is getting to the NCAA Tournament this season as a #12 or #13 seed and getting blown out in the first round all that much better than not making the NCAA Tournament at all? I'm fine with tempering expectations this season, and not worrying about whether the Hoyas are playing after the Big East Tournament championship game has been played. I think all the discussion about a NCAA bid at this point is really premature. They have played two weak teams that they should have beaten easily, and they did just that. I am happy with the way they are playing and I think things are going in the right direction with the program, but it would be best for everyone to hold off until we have 4 -5 Big East games under our belt to make any predictions for this team, and it chances of playing in the NCAA tourney. If they exceed expectations maybe everyone will have a legitimate complaint about how the OOC schedule affects tournament chances, but it was only a few months ago that most people thought that anything close to a .500 record this season would be a success. I hope they exceed expectations and we can have that debate, but at this point I am just going to enjoy the brand of basketball they are playing and hope we continue to see improvement from the individual players and the team as a whole |
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2017 13:29:55 GMT -5
What players do you think checked out last season? I'd say Copeland checked out while in Maui from what I saw sitting 15 feet behind the bench. But Cope was gone very early in the season, I honestly don't even consider him part of last years team.. |
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2017 13:34:49 GMT -5
What players do you think checked out last season? I knew someone would ask this question and knowing how this board is, I do not think that professorhoya is going to go there. He already went there by bringing it up, if they're not here anymore I don't see the issue.. LJ, Pryor, Hayes, Cameron & Akoy are the players who left, I don't see a slacker in that group, do you? |
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 16, 2017 13:37:10 GMT -5
I knew someone would ask this question and knowing how this board is, I do not think that professorhoya is going to go there. He already went there by bringing it up, if they're not here anymore I don't see the issue.. LJ, Pryor, Hayes, Cameron & Akoy are the players who left, I don't see a slacker in that group, do you? Not suggesting anything in reminding you, but there is another player who is no longer on the team but still at Georgetown. |
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2017 13:38:47 GMT -5
He already went there by bringing it up, if they're not here anymore I don't see the issue.. LJ, Pryor, Hayes, Cameron & Akoy are the players who left, I don't see a slacker in that group, do you? Not suggesting anything in reminding you, but there is another player who is no longer on the team but still at Georgetown. Lj and Pryor graduated, they didn't leave. Same with Cameron and Hayes. Although Cameron did quit at one point. |
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Post by beenaround on Nov 16, 2017 13:45:45 GMT -5
I'm late to the game, and most of my thoughts have been better said by other positive posters. I enjoyed last night's game enormously...and certainly wasn't expecting to. I know MSM sucks..but they pressed a lot and we broke it beautifully by PASSING. Felt like I was watching an NBA game, the way the Hoyas took the ball after a made basket and ran it up the court. That was something that did not happen much the past several years. IN fact, I was advised by a buddy on the Wiz staff that it took Otto some time to automatically run up the court at full speed after a made basket.
Obviously Jesse , Mosely Blair and Kaleb looked great. Pickett showed he's got real potential etc etc. Perhaps the talent isn't enough to move the needle in the Big East..we shall see. But I know this, even if we lose a lot..if we lose playing fast and loose...it will be much more fun to watch.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2017 13:56:52 GMT -5
He already went there by bringing it up, if they're not here anymore I don't see the issue.. LJ, Pryor, Hayes, Cameron & Akoy are the players who left, I don't see a slacker in that group, do you? Not suggesting anything in reminding you, but there is another player who is no longer on the team but still at Georgetown. Good call.. I forgot about Campbell but I don't feel he checked out either.. |
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Post by TC on Nov 16, 2017 14:04:21 GMT -5
Question: Is getting to the NCAA Tournament this season as a #12 or #13 seed and getting blown out in the first round all that much better than not making the NCAA Tournament at all? Is this even a question? I did not understand the "Final Four or it does not matter" mentality last year in firing our coach last year and pretending his success in getting us to the tournament didn't matter, and I don't understand it this year in justifying a terrible schedule. If we're going to act like tournament bids don't matter, fold the whole thing up and let's become Holy Cross. |
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Post by drquigley on Nov 16, 2017 14:25:53 GMT -5
I've said before on this board that I'm not an X's and O's guy. I just love watching college basketball in general and the Hoyas in particular. I do have one "technical" question. Do you think this new, uptempo offense is helping our shooting, especially 3 pointers? it seems like Govan and Derrickson shoot much better when they are trailing a fast break or early in the offense. Last year they (especially Derickson) didn't seem comfortable throwing up 3 pointers late in the shot clock after having to set and run around picks for 20 seconds. They seem much more comfortable shooting off a dribble than shooting off a pass while stationary.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 16, 2017 14:48:20 GMT -5
We are playing a better brand of basketball this season for both players and fans. More players involved and more shots put up. The garbage we called an offense last season has unplayable and unwatchable. That's why we couldn't recruit or keep players. I am planning to go to games this season after a long hiatus.
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Post by hoya1984 on Nov 16, 2017 15:05:53 GMT -5
Amen to that.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 16, 2017 15:14:00 GMT -5
We are playing a better brand of basketball this season for both players and fans. More players involved and more shots put up. The garbage we called an offense last season has unplayable and unwatchable. That's why we couldn't recruit or keep players. I am planning to go to games this season after a long hiatus. After two games, our tempo is slightly faster than last year's. So while the perception might exist that the offense is faster, it's really not all that faster so far (and in the Jacksonville game was actually slower). That may change as we play more games, of course. I do think the slight increase in the tempo is mostly our getting shots off more quickly, and having more fastbreaks. There are certainly some stylistic differences between the two offenses, but then again, JT3 abandoned the true Princeton offense years ago, and some fans never seemed to take notice. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 16, 2017 15:14:48 GMT -5
Not suggesting anything in reminding you, but there is another player who is no longer on the team but still at Georgetown. Good call.. I forgot about Campbell but I don't feel he checked out either.. Also, Campbell barely played. So to the extent he checked out, I am not sure how much it would have affected the team... |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 16, 2017 15:21:04 GMT -5
This is a very, very good question. Inside the Program: It means a lot to make the tournament. Job security, the optics that the program is on the right track, and optimism. Outside the Program: Some people still think JT3 is the head coach. For more informed people, either result happening is viewed as different coach same Hoya results Or the disclaimer that "Patrick needs a second year before judging his coaching prowess." It's always better to make the tournament, even as a 12/13 seed than not at all. You need to be in it to win it, after all. Or take the 2001 Esherick team. They were a 10 seed, beat a 7, and then only had to beat a 15 to get to the Sweet 16. It might not be the most glorious postseason run, but a Sweet 16 is a Sweet 16. Also, Ewing making the tournament in his first season would be fantastic - it would get an enormous amount of press attention, and at least that first weekend we would get plenty of good attention. I cannot think of anything better for the program (aside from winning in the NCAA tournament). It would fuel recruiting and be great in a number of ways. As far as people outside the program, who cares what they think? If we make the tournament, all the attention will be on Ewing making his first appearance as coach. So people will quickly learn JT3 is no longer there. Also, if we make it as a 12 seed, for example, it's impossible to be "same results." The problem with our early NCAA exits was that we were a high seed and lost to a low seed. If we go into the tournament as a 12, it will be "expected" that we will lose. If Ewing gets into the tournament at all as a double-digit seed this season or next, I think that alone will be seen as a major accomplishment. If we lost once we got there, it might hurt us as fans, but it won't materially hurt the team or Georgetown's reputation in any way. And don't worry about losing as a high seed. Given our schedule, no way that happens this year, even if our team kills it in the Big East. |
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