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Post by hoyaboya on May 19, 2024 15:18:41 GMT -5
"North Carolina and Louisville are considered "top options" for Kentucky big man Ugonna Onyenso in the transfer portal, according to 247Sports Director of Scouting Adam Finkelstein. Onyenso, the second-best center remaining in the transfer portal, is testing NBA Draft waters but likely has a higher earning potential in college basketball next season."... Onyenso is rated as the No. 180 overall prospect and No. 29 center in the transfer portal this offseason. He's the second-rated center available behind Florida State's Baba Miller. The 7-footer averaged 3.6 points and 4.8 rebounds as a sophomore last season, shooting 55.0% from the field and 58.8% from the free-throw line. Onyenso was among college basketball's best shot blockers in 2023-24. His 2.75 blocks per game average was fifth in Kentucky history and tied for third in Division I." 247sports.com/college/transfer-portal/article/unc-louisville-emerge-as-teams-to-keep-an-eye-on-for-kentucky-transfer-center-ugonna-onyenso-231875287/
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Post by hsaxon on May 20, 2024 18:51:13 GMT -5
There is a big difference between knowing what needs to be done and achieving it. I am also confident that Cooley and his staff are trying very hard. But I fear that in trying to make a big splash initially (which was a logical thing to do), we did not have a good enough backup plan for if those guys (like Cliff O.) did not commit. I assume you mean Cooley keeping the incoming freshman together. Sure, I'll give Cooley credit for that. Sorber is a great player and I am very excited to see him play in a Hoyas uniform. But Cooley himself said recently we need a center and we don't have one. That's the reason for the disappointment so far. I am hoping I am wrong and we will make some sort of unexpected play and get someone great (we also need a high percentage shooter too). But for now, we don't have anyone for center other than Sorber and Fielder. If Cooley thinks that needs to be supplemented with a transfer, then I certainly do. To be clear, the "center of y'alls dreams" is not walking through the door (though it could be Sorber in a year or two). I am not looking for Roy Hibbert to walk through the door. Just someone who can play really solid defense and not be a net negative on offense. Agree with this. The buck stops with Cooley, so if we don't get a center (or even if we just bring Cook back), the remaining fan base will for the most part not be thrilled, and while blame may not be the right word to use (perhaps responsibility), that's still on Cooley. Ed's team needs to produce much more this year. Much more.
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Post by bills on May 20, 2024 19:40:30 GMT -5
Is Cooley supposed to build the center of y'alls dreams. Cooley knows what need to be done and being a reasonable man, I'm sure his is doing the best he can. Can he magically snap his fingers and oh look, said center appears...or the last three years disappears... Disappointment, not me. Cooley kept his freshman class together ... Isn't that worth something? There is a big difference between knowing what needs to be done and achieving it. I am also confident that Cooley and his staff are trying very hard. But I fear that in trying to make a big splash initially (which was a logical thing to do), we did not have a good enough backup plan for if those guys (like Cliff O.) did not commit. I assume you mean Cooley keeping the incoming freshman together. Sure, I'll give Cooley credit for that. Sorber is a great player and I am very excited to see him play in a Hoyas uniform. But Cooley himself said recently we need a center and we don't have one. That's the reason for the disappointment so far. I am hoping I am wrong and we will make some sort of unexpected play and get someone great (we also need a high percentage shooter too). But for now, we don't have anyone for center other than Sorber and Fielder. If Cooley thinks that needs to be supplemented with a transfer, then I certainly do. To be clear, the "center of y'alls dreams" is not walking through the door (though it could be Sorber in a year or two). I am not looking for Roy Hibbert to walk through the door. Just someone who can play really solid defense and not be a net negative on offense.
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Post by bills on May 20, 2024 19:51:14 GMT -5
Roy Hibbert was a non factor in his first two years and a key starter only his senior year. Dikembe was not a major contributor his freshman year but showed enormous improvement over his 4 years. Sims gave us one pretty good year. A couple of the portal candidates could have been major contributors but the two key words are couple and could. No guarantees and lots of teams with much to offer going after those few. We need to hitch our horse to Sorber like we hitched our horse to Othells and Alonzo and give him some backup so he plays reasonable minutes and if he gets into foul trouble. I think he will join the lost of great centers that played at Georgetown, but he will be greatly helped by someone that can give us a solid 15 minutes when Sorgerbis on the bench.
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Post by Elvado on May 20, 2024 19:53:22 GMT -5
Roy Hibbert was a non factor in his first two years and a key starter only his senior year. Dikembe was not a major contributor his freshman year but showed enormous improvement over his 4 years. Sims gave us one pretty good year. A couple of the portal candidates could have been major contributors but the two key words are couple and could. No guarantees and lots of teams with much to offer going after those few. We need to hitch our horse to Sorber like we hitched our horse to Othells and Alonzo and give him some backup so he plays reasonable minutes and if he gets into foul trouble. I think he will join the lost of great centers that played at Georgetown, but he will be greatly helped by someone that can give us a solid 15 minutes when Sorgerbis on the bench. Roy emerged late sophomore year. As I recall he played very well cs OSU in the 2nd Round of the 2006 tournament.
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Post by prhoya on May 20, 2024 20:22:45 GMT -5
Roy Hibbert was a non factor in his first two years and a key starter only his senior year. Dikembe was not a major contributor his freshman year but showed enormous improvement over his 4 years. Sims gave us one pretty good year. A couple of the portal candidates could have been major contributors but the two key words are couple and could. No guarantees and lots of teams with much to offer going after those few. We need to hitch our horse to Sorber like we hitched our horse to Othells and Alonzo and give him some backup so he plays reasonable minutes and if he gets into foul trouble. I think he will join the lost of great centers that played at Georgetown, but he will be greatly helped by someone that can give us a solid 15 minutes when Sorgerbis on the bench. Roy Hibbert, our junior starting center for our last FF team? He was key from his sophomore season on: www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/roy-hibbert-1.htmlLet’s not compare Sorber to the #1 hs recruits of their respective years. That said, I think Sorber will be a BE All-Freshman like Zo and O, and he will play a lot, which will give him a great shot at BE POY. But, I agree that we need another center (and a shooter).
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Post by SSHoya on May 20, 2024 20:47:28 GMT -5
Hibbert's soph year: Second on the team in scoring, averaging 11.6 points per game and led the team in rebounds with 6.9 per game ... Ranked 14th in the BIG EAST in rebounding ... Shot 59.0 percent from the floor (148-of-251) ... Led team with 54 blocks, a 1.64 per game average that ranked ninth in the BIG EAST ... Earned second team All-BIG EAST honors... guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/roy-hibbert/627
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 20, 2024 22:22:19 GMT -5
Hibbert's soph year: Second on the team in scoring, averaging 11.6 points per game and led the team in rebounds with 6.9 per game ... Ranked 14th in the BIG EAST in rebounding ... Shot 59.0 percent from the floor (148-of-251) ... Led team with 54 blocks, a 1.64 per game average that ranked ninth in the BIG EAST ... Earned second team All-BIG EAST honors... guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/roy-hibbert/627Roy had a rough freshman year, but he improved substantially by his sophomore year. I don't see how anybody could say he was not a key starter on the 2007 Final Four team.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on May 21, 2024 6:16:27 GMT -5
Roy Hibbert was a non factor in his first two years and a key starter only his senior year. Dikembe was not a major contributor his freshman year but showed enormous improvement over his 4 years. Sims gave us one pretty good year. A couple of the portal candidates could have been major contributors but the two key words are couple and could. No guarantees and lots of teams with much to offer going after those few. We need to hitch our horse to Sorber like we hitched our horse to Othells and Alonzo and give him some backup so he plays reasonable minutes and if he gets into foul trouble. I think he will join the lost of great centers that played at Georgetown, but he will be greatly helped by someone that can give us a solid 15 minutes when Sorgerbis on the bench. You and I have VERY different memories of Roy. Freshman year was basically getting his body ready for college ball after his foot injuries. He was very good his sophomore year, especially as a post defender and rim protector.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on May 21, 2024 8:23:33 GMT -5
If I remember, we went to the final four with him in 2007. That was a good team. 2006 we should have beaten Florida but there was a bogus foul call on Hibbert against Joakim Noah.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 21, 2024 8:38:01 GMT -5
*sigh* you come here to see if there is any transfer recruiting need, and you see the umpteenth rehashing of the argument over exactly which half of basketball was the one in which Roy Hibbert emerged as a force.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 21, 2024 8:49:44 GMT -5
Agree with this. The buck stops with Cooley, so if we don't get a center (or even if we just bring Cook back), the remaining fan base will for the most part not be thrilled, and while blame may not be the right word to use (perhaps responsibility), that's still on Cooley. Ed's team needs to produce much more this year. Much more. Frankly I'm sick of all the excuses. I'm a Nebraska football fan and I've dealt with the same stuff for the past 15+ years: "We're geographically disadavantaged" and "We can't recruit here" and all the others. Then they hired Matt Rhule and signed the #1 QB in the country and now things are looking up. Too many of our fans have lowered their standards over the past decade.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on May 21, 2024 8:55:33 GMT -5
You are correct, not sure about the future - but hard to forget a 7'2 player from the past and hoping for an impact big on the roster now.
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Post by miracles87 on May 21, 2024 10:45:55 GMT -5
If I remember, we went to the final four with him in 2007. That was a good team. 2006 we should have beaten Florida but there was a bogus foul call on Hibbert against Joakim Noah. Wasn't it that Noah wasn't called for going over Roy's back for a rebound at the end?
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Post by miracles87 on May 21, 2024 10:52:39 GMT -5
Hibbert's soph year: Second on the team in scoring, averaging 11.6 points per game and led the team in rebounds with 6.9 per game ... Ranked 14th in the BIG EAST in rebounding ... Shot 59.0 percent from the floor (148-of-251) ... Led team with 54 blocks, a 1.64 per game average that ranked ninth in the BIG EAST ... Earned second team All-BIG EAST honors... guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/roy-hibbert/627Roy had a rough freshman year, but he improved substantially by his sophomore year. I don't see how anybody could say he was not a key starter on the 2007 Final Four team. I don't think "rough" is an accurate portrayal of Roy's freshman year. He wasn't a nationally heralded recruit, as a matter of fact, I seem to recall he was intending to go to GTown for a long time before college, to not much hubbub. Anyway, he established himself as a starter halfway through the year and had some big games. Not a world beater necessarily, but certainly showed his size, soft hands and overall promise, definitely a successful season for Roy individually.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 23, 2024 9:52:20 GMT -5
"North Carolina has added another piece to its 2024-25 roster with a commitment from Vanderbilt forward Ven-Allen Lubin. The 6-8, 230-pound sophomore made his announcement Thursday, just over a week after his official visit to Chapel Hill... Lubin averaged 12.3 points and 6.3 rebounds last season while manning the middle for Vanderbilt, closing the season with 25 points and 11 rebounds vs. Florida, then 21 points, 10 rebounds and three steals vs. Arkansas. "His strengths are he's good around the basket, good rebounder, athleticism, and then his ability to be a mismatch," said Treig Burke, who coached Lubin at Orlando (Fla.) Christian Prep (and also coached former Tar Heel Nas Little). "I think that's what gave him a lot of success at Vanderbilt — he was a mismatch on the floor, rebounded consistently, and so he was really productive for them ... "The (UNC staff) shared they need someone like him who has two years of experience and had some success in the SEC production-wise. They feel like his experience and production could be valuable to them." 247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/article/ven-allen-lubin-commitment-unc-basketball-vanderbilt-transfer-portal-north-carolina-tar-heels-transfer-portal-231748816/
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 23, 2024 10:47:01 GMT -5
"North Carolina has added another piece to its 2024-25 roster with a commitment from Vanderbilt forward Ven-Allen Lubin. The 6-8, 230-pound sophomore made his announcement Thursday, just over a week after his official visit to Chapel Hill... Lubin averaged 12.3 points and 6.3 rebounds last season while manning the middle for Vanderbilt, closing the season with 25 points and 11 rebounds vs. Florida, then 21 points, 10 rebounds and three steals vs. Arkansas. "His strengths are he's good around the basket, good rebounder, athleticism, and then his ability to be a mismatch," said Treig Burke, who coached Lubin at Orlando (Fla.) Christian Prep (and also coached former Tar Heel Nas Little). "I think that's what gave him a lot of success at Vanderbilt — he was a mismatch on the floor, rebounded consistently, and so he was really productive for them ... "The (UNC staff) shared they need someone like him who has two years of experience and had some success in the SEC production-wise. They feel like his experience and production could be valuable to them." 247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/article/ven-allen-lubin-commitment-unc-basketball-vanderbilt-transfer-portal-north-carolina-tar-heels-transfer-portal-231748816/I really thought this kid would be a good fit for us.. Yes we are probably not winning any battles with UNC at this point and this deep into transfer season... ...but that is another legit talent that would have immediately made our frontcourt better next season and in his case even beyond...at this point this is becoming scary in terms of what options are even going to exist to round out this roster especially in the frontcourt unless Cooley pulls a rabbit out his hat and lands someone like Baba Miller which at any point of the transfer portal would be a home run but I can't see that happening now...
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Post by SDHoya on May 23, 2024 10:57:13 GMT -5
"North Carolina has added another piece to its 2024-25 roster with a commitment from Vanderbilt forward Ven-Allen Lubin. The 6-8, 230-pound sophomore made his announcement Thursday, just over a week after his official visit to Chapel Hill... Lubin averaged 12.3 points and 6.3 rebounds last season while manning the middle for Vanderbilt, closing the season with 25 points and 11 rebounds vs. Florida, then 21 points, 10 rebounds and three steals vs. Arkansas. "His strengths are he's good around the basket, good rebounder, athleticism, and then his ability to be a mismatch," said Treig Burke, who coached Lubin at Orlando (Fla.) Christian Prep (and also coached former Tar Heel Nas Little). "I think that's what gave him a lot of success at Vanderbilt — he was a mismatch on the floor, rebounded consistently, and so he was really productive for them ... "The (UNC staff) shared they need someone like him who has two years of experience and had some success in the SEC production-wise. They feel like his experience and production could be valuable to them." 247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/article/ven-allen-lubin-commitment-unc-basketball-vanderbilt-transfer-portal-north-carolina-tar-heels-transfer-portal-231748816/I really thought this kid would be a good fit for us.. Yes we are probably not winning any battles with UNC at this point and this deep into transfer season... ...but that is another legit talent that would have immediately made our frontcourt better next season and in his case even beyond...at this point this is becoming scary in terms of what options are even going to exist to round out this roster especially in the frontcourt unless Cooley pulls a rabbit out his hat and lands someone like Baba Miller which at any point of the transfer portal would be a home run but I can't see that happening now... I doubt we were ever seriously in on Lubin. He's not a center, and has a negative defensive rating per EvanMiya (I know--take these ratings with a huge grain of salt, but still notable). It appears that Cooley has swung (and missed) at guys who are proven defensive stoppers. Not sure whether there are any rabbits left to be pulled out of the hat, but still no reason to get into a bidding war with the likes of UNC over a guy who really doesn't fit our needs.
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Post by conshyhoya on May 23, 2024 11:18:33 GMT -5
I really thought this kid would be a good fit for us.. Yes we are probably not winning any battles with UNC at this point and this deep into transfer season... ...but that is another legit talent that would have immediately made our frontcourt better next season and in his case even beyond...at this point this is becoming scary in terms of what options are even going to exist to round out this roster especially in the frontcourt unless Cooley pulls a rabbit out his hat and lands someone like Baba Miller which at any point of the transfer portal would be a home run but I can't see that happening now... I doubt we were ever seriously in on Lubin. He's not a center, and has a negative defensive rating per EvanMiya (I know--take these ratings with a huge grain of salt, but still notable). It appears that Cooley has swung (and missed) at guys who are proven defensive stoppers. Not sure whether there are any rabbits left to be pulled out of the hat, but still no reason to get into a bidding war with the likes of UNC over a guy who really doesn't fit our needs. I don't even know if we tried to reach out but Brazile would be someone that would fit our needs and most likely isn't staying in the draft based off his performance. Doesn't sound like he is going back to Arkansas but haven't seen much else (I don't use Twitter so there may be a lot out there). There are a few others probably coming back but their price tag will be way higher than his most likely. His will still be high.
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Post by SDHoya on May 23, 2024 11:24:00 GMT -5
I doubt we were ever seriously in on Lubin. He's not a center, and has a negative defensive rating per EvanMiya (I know--take these ratings with a huge grain of salt, but still notable). It appears that Cooley has swung (and missed) at guys who are proven defensive stoppers. Not sure whether there are any rabbits left to be pulled out of the hat, but still no reason to get into a bidding war with the likes of UNC over a guy who really doesn't fit our needs. I don't even know if we tried to reach out but Brazile would be someone that would fit our needs and most likely isn't staying in the draft based off his performance. Doesn't sound like he is going back to Arkansas but haven't seen much else (I don't use Twitter so there may be a lot out there). There are a few others probably coming back but their price tag will be way higher than his most likely. His will still be high. Agree that Brazile would make a lot more sense. No idea what his status is or if we are involved.
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