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Post by bicentennial on May 16, 2024 15:54:33 GMT -5
Given that the NCAA is now a mercenary organization, can the players who joined overtime elite jump to college if they fail to make the NBA? How about foreign centers who did not get picked up by the NBA. There are a number of centers I have never heard of who are in the NBA draft who are in one of these two categories?
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Post by prhoya on May 16, 2024 15:58:08 GMT -5
Given that the NCAA is now a mercenary organization, can the players who joined overtime elite jump to college if they fail to make the NBA? How about foreign centers who did not get picked up by the NBA. There are a number of centers I have never heard of who are in the NBA draft who are in one of these two categories? I didn’t follow Cooley’s Providence, but did he ever have a foreign player? I don’t remember one playing vs GU.
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Post by wolveribe on May 16, 2024 16:06:08 GMT -5
I think Cooley is trying very hard to add a veteran center but its probably not as desperate as people on here make it seem. Just find a decent center that can play 15-20 minutes a game.
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Post by EtomicB on May 16, 2024 18:01:40 GMT -5
Given that the NCAA is now a mercenary organization, can the players who joined overtime elite jump to college if they fail to make the NBA? How about foreign centers who did not get picked up by the NBA. There are a number of centers I have never heard of who are in the NBA draft who are in one of these two categories? A player has to withdraw from the draft in order prior to the drop deadline to maintain be eligibility.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 16, 2024 18:23:43 GMT -5
Is Cooley supposed to build the center of y'alls dreams. Cooley knows what need to be done and being a reasonable man, I'm sure his is doing the best he can. Can he magically snap his fingers and oh look, said center appears...or the last three years disappears... Disappointment, not me. Cooley kept his freshman class together ... Isn't that worth something? There is a big difference between knowing what needs to be done and achieving it. I am also confident that Cooley and his staff are trying very hard. But I fear that in trying to make a big splash initially (which was a logical thing to do), we did not have a good enough backup plan for if those guys (like Cliff O.) did not commit. I assume you mean Cooley keeping the incoming freshman together. Sure, I'll give Cooley credit for that. Sorber is a great player and I am very excited to see him play in a Hoyas uniform. But Cooley himself said recently we need a center and we don't have one. That's the reason for the disappointment so far. I am hoping I am wrong and we will make some sort of unexpected play and get someone great (we also need a high percentage shooter too). But for now, we don't have anyone for center other than Sorber and Fielder. If Cooley thinks that needs to be supplemented with a transfer, then I certainly do. To be clear, the "center of y'alls dreams" is not walking through the door (though it could be Sorber in a year or two). I am not looking for Roy Hibbert to walk through the door. Just someone who can play really solid defense and not be a net negative on offense. Agree with this. The buck stops with Cooley, so if we don't get a center (or even if we just bring Cook back), the remaining fan base will for the most part not be thrilled, and while blame may not be the right word to use (perhaps responsibility), that's still on Cooley.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 16, 2024 19:03:17 GMT -5
Guess I'll just hold my breath for Onyenso or Miller.
There really is no excuse. There were 3 dozen serviceable centers in the portal and we couldn't land one?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 17, 2024 12:43:37 GMT -5
Guess I'll just hold my breath for Onyenso or Miller. There really is no excuse. There were 3 dozen serviceable centers in the portal and we couldn't land one? Were there really 36 "serviceable centers" in the portal that would have given us what we need? I have no doubt that there were 36 in the portal, but I am skeptical that there were 36 guys out there that would have met our needs or been people our fans would have been pleased with, especially when you consider that in any group of people there are always going to be some with no interest in us no matter what we do.
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Post by bicentennial on May 17, 2024 14:39:09 GMT -5
Given that the NCAA is now a mercenary organization, can the players who joined overtime elite jump to college if they fail to make the NBA? How about foreign centers who did not get picked up by the NBA. There are a number of centers I have never heard of who are in the NBA draft who are in one of these two categories? A player has to withdraw from the draft in order prior to the drop deadline to maintain be eligibility. So looked it up and the drop day for NBA early entrants to retain NCAA eligibility is May 29th so there may be a few more Centers between now and then. Also for international players will have until June 16th to withdraw.
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Post by bluechi on May 17, 2024 15:12:07 GMT -5
Guess I'll just hold my breath for Onyenso or Miller. There really is no excuse. There were 3 dozen serviceable centers in the portal and we couldn't land one? They didn't go after 36 centers...
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 17, 2024 15:27:25 GMT -5
Guess I'll just hold my breath for Onyenso or Miller. There really is no excuse. There were 3 dozen serviceable centers in the portal and we couldn't land one? Were there really 36 "serviceable centers" in the portal that would have given us what we need? I have no doubt that there were 36 in the portal, but I am skeptical that there were 36 guys out there that would have met our needs or been people our fans would have been pleased with, especially when you consider that in any group of people there are always going to be some with no interest in us no matter what we do. Actually there more more than three dozen in the portal -- many more. For a program with supposed exemplary NIL, we definitely should've been able to land one.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 17, 2024 15:28:28 GMT -5
Guess I'll just hold my breath for Onyenso or Miller. There really is no excuse. There were 3 dozen serviceable centers in the portal and we couldn't land one? They didn't go after 36 centers... but they could have
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Post by SSHoya on May 17, 2024 15:39:31 GMT -5
"Patrick Ewing isn't walking through that door."
The Hoyas need another big so go get one, Coach!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 17, 2024 16:05:24 GMT -5
Were there really 36 "serviceable centers" in the portal that would have given us what we need? I have no doubt that there were 36 in the portal, but I am skeptical that there were 36 guys out there that would have met our needs or been people our fans would have been pleased with, especially when you consider that in any group of people there are always going to be some with no interest in us no matter what we do. Actually there more more than three dozen in the portal -- many more. For a program with supposed exemplary NIL, we definitely should've been able to land one. Right, but nobody wants the stiff center who was a project at a low-major or even a mid-major. We already have Sorber/Fielder, both of whom have a lot of potential. Getting someone who is not as good as those two (arguably, Cook would be in that category too given his defensive woes) makes no sense unless it's purely a depth play (which most guys are not okay with). We need a very specific type of center to help us, and they do not grow on trees. To be fair, I am not trying to make excuses for the staff. I wanted them to have a good center locked down already, and hoping they pull someone out of their hat. But the idea that there were three dozen + guys we could have easily recruited/landed makes no sense. As I said, (1) it's not just a matter of getting a center, they need skills/athleticism, (2) some candidates will see Fielder/Sorber and will be worried about playing time and wouldn't come, and (3) some of them simply would never come to Georgetown for whatever reason (wanting to be close to home, not liking Georgetown, wanting to go to a bigger school, not liking DC, there are a lot of reasons). Unless we pull an unexpected big, my guess is that Cook ultimately stays, and we go into next year with Sorber/Fielder/Cook.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 17, 2024 16:09:58 GMT -5
Another possible big gone...
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Post by calhoya on May 17, 2024 16:36:29 GMT -5
Actually there more more than three dozen in the portal -- many more. For a program with supposed exemplary NIL, we definitely should've been able to land one. Right, but nobody wants the stiff center who was a project at a low-major or even a mid-major. We already have Sorber/Fielder, both of whom have a lot of potential. Getting someone who is not as good as those two (arguably, Cook would be in that category too given his defensive woes) makes no sense unless it's purely a depth play (which most guys are not okay with). We need a very specific type of center to help us, and they do not grow on trees. To be fair, I am not trying to make excuses for the staff. I wanted them to have a good center locked down already, and hoping they pull someone out of their hat. But the idea that there were three dozen + guys we could have easily recruited/landed makes no sense. As I said, (1) it's not just a matter of getting a center, they need skills/athleticism, (2) some candidates will see Fielder/Sorber and will be worried about playing time and wouldn't come, and (3) some of them simply would never come to Georgetown for whatever reason (wanting to be close to home, not liking Georgetown, wanting to go to a bigger school, not liking DC, there are a lot of reasons). Unless we pull an unexpected big, my guess is that Cook ultimately stays, and we go into next year with Sorber/Fielder/Cook. Agree. The first year of the Cooley tenure was a major disappointment. That said he cannot be blamed for everything. Effort has not seemingly been a problem. Instead I suspect the biggest problem is that Cooley oversold the expectations and then discovered that despite the offer of playing time and NIL monies, there are not that many quality posts who are eager to spend their limited remaining eligibility on a team that is not even close to a tourney bid and on which there will be a highly touted Freshman post and a touted returning sophomore post, both of whom will expect playing time.
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Post by hsaxon on May 17, 2024 20:51:51 GMT -5
Right, but nobody wants the stiff center who was a project at a low-major or even a mid-major. We already have Sorber/Fielder, both of whom have a lot of potential. Getting someone who is not as good as those two (arguably, Cook would be in that category too given his defensive woes) makes no sense unless it's purely a depth play (which most guys are not okay with). We need a very specific type of center to help us, and they do not grow on trees. To be fair, I am not trying to make excuses for the staff. I wanted them to have a good center locked down already, and hoping they pull someone out of their hat. But the idea that there were three dozen + guys we could have easily recruited/landed makes no sense. As I said, (1) it's not just a matter of getting a center, they need skills/athleticism, (2) some candidates will see Fielder/Sorber and will be worried about playing time and wouldn't come, and (3) some of them simply would never come to Georgetown for whatever reason (wanting to be close to home, not liking Georgetown, wanting to go to a bigger school, not liking DC, there are a lot of reasons). Unless we pull an unexpected big, my guess is that Cook ultimately stays, and we go into next year with Sorber/Fielder/Cook. Agree. The first year of the Cooley tenure was a major disappointment. That said he cannot be blamed for everything. Effort has not seemingly been a problem. Instead I suspect the biggest problem is that Cooley oversold the expectations and then discovered that despite the offer of playing time and NIL monies, there are not that many quality posts who are eager to spend their limited remaining eligibility on a team that is not even close to a tourney bid and on which there will be a highly touted Freshman post and a touted returning sophomore post, both of whom will expect playing time. Whatever happened to Judah Mintz, who was supposedly headed for GU? Judah Mintz declared for the NBA draft on April 11. --Admin
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Post by madgesiq92 on May 17, 2024 21:56:26 GMT -5
Guess I'll just hold my breath for Onyenso or Miller. There really is no excuse. There were 3 dozen serviceable centers in the portal and we couldn't land one? They didn't go after 36 centers... They have gone after 5 that we know of. I don’t agree with those that say That Cooley did not have a back up plan after Cliff, like last year with Dickinson. He’s gone after four other potential fives Who had limited roles last year and offered them major Minutes. He just keeps striking out. However, I also don’t agree with those who say that it won’t be Cooley’s fault if we go into next season without a BE caliber Center. That’s literally part of his job and he’s getting paid very well for it. He’s also telling people who write checks to the school that we’re getting a five. Haven’t followed Cooley close enough to understand if this is just his optimistic style, but overpromising and underdelivering is generally not a good fundraising strategy. Epping said. The talent level is majorly upgraded this year, we have a top 20 recruiting class and are more athletic than we’ve been i 15 years. The roster is just unfinished.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 18, 2024 8:59:36 GMT -5
Another possible big gone... Another one gone...
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