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Post by BeantownHoya on May 23, 2024 11:27:59 GMT -5
I really thought this kid would be a good fit for us.. Yes we are probably not winning any battles with UNC at this point and this deep into transfer season... ...but that is another legit talent that would have immediately made our frontcourt better next season and in his case even beyond...at this point this is becoming scary in terms of what options are even going to exist to round out this roster especially in the frontcourt unless Cooley pulls a rabbit out his hat and lands someone like Baba Miller which at any point of the transfer portal would be a home run but I can't see that happening now... I doubt we were ever seriously in on Lubin. He's not a center, and has a negative defensive rating per EvanMiya (I know--take these ratings with a huge grain of salt, but still notable). It appears that Cooley has swung (and missed) at guys who are proven defensive stoppers. Not sure whether there are any rabbits left to be pulled out of the hat, but still no reason to get into a bidding war with the likes of UNC over a guy who really doesn't fit our needs. I don't imagine we were ever on him either...more just pointing out frontcourt kids continue to come off the board... I said this is another thread but I really would alter our strategy at this point anyway...I think you just accept that the Center position is going be a combo of Sorber, Fielder and maybe even small ball Burks and you just go out and get the best available frontcourt player regardless if they are a PF or C... In all likelihood the answer would be it's a PF because pickings are so slim at C...and I rather us add better talent and hopefully experience versus saying we need a center we need a center and take someone simply because we need to fill a hole with less talent... Just my opinion.
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Post by jackofjoy on May 23, 2024 13:21:19 GMT -5
"North Carolina has added another piece to its 2024-25 roster with a commitment from Vanderbilt forward Ven-Allen Lubin. The 6-8, 230-pound sophomore made his announcement Thursday, just over a week after his official visit to Chapel Hill... Lubin averaged 12.3 points and 6.3 rebounds last season while manning the middle for Vanderbilt, closing the season with 25 points and 11 rebounds vs. Florida, then 21 points, 10 rebounds and three steals vs. Arkansas. "His strengths are he's good around the basket, good rebounder, athleticism, and then his ability to be a mismatch," said Treig Burke, who coached Lubin at Orlando (Fla.) Christian Prep (and also coached former Tar Heel Nas Little). "I think that's what gave him a lot of success at Vanderbilt — he was a mismatch on the floor, rebounded consistently, and so he was really productive for them ... "The (UNC staff) shared they need someone like him who has two years of experience and had some success in the SEC production-wise. They feel like his experience and production could be valuable to them." 247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/article/ven-allen-lubin-commitment-unc-basketball-vanderbilt-transfer-portal-north-carolina-tar-heels-transfer-portal-231748816/Sounds like Treig Burke is the real winner in all this …
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 23, 2024 16:38:50 GMT -5
I doubt we were ever seriously in on Lubin. He's not a center, and has a negative defensive rating per EvanMiya (I know--take these ratings with a huge grain of salt, but still notable). It appears that Cooley has swung (and missed) at guys who are proven defensive stoppers. Not sure whether there are any rabbits left to be pulled out of the hat, but still no reason to get into a bidding war with the likes of UNC over a guy who really doesn't fit our needs. I don't imagine we were ever on him either...more just pointing out frontcourt kids continue to come off the board... I said this is another thread but I really would alter our strategy at this point anyway...I think you just accept that the Center position is going be a combo of Sorber, Fielder and maybe even small ball Burks and you just go out and get the best available frontcourt player regardless if they are a PF or C... In all likelihood the answer would be it's a PF because pickings are so slim at C...and I rather us add better talent and hopefully experience versus saying we need a center we need a center and take someone simply because we need to fill a hole with less talent... Just my opinion. This is a very logical strategy. And while getting a good center would have been nice, we have the possibility that Fielder will grow into the role, and that Sorber may come to campus more game ready than one would expect for a freshman big guy (avoiding fouls for both of them will be crucial). A good defending center is important, but plenty of teams are good without a great one. Can we be a top 25 defensive team without someone who can play really good defense around the rim? Maybe not. But, we can certainly have a top 100 defense without one. The bar is really low. We don't need anything close to an elite roster to get a lot better than last year as long as the defense isn't putrid. And we know from last year, the defense was already substantially better when Fielder played instead of Cook. I am trying to be realistic here. Last year our offense was ranked 96, and defense 321. What do I think is realistic for next year? - I'd like to see offense between 50-60, and defense between 75 and 150, with a trend toward top 100 or better by the end of the season. Even that is probably unrealistic given how bad we were last year, but the roster is also going to be very different. If we put out a team with let's say 55 offense and 95 defense, we would not be a tournament team, but it would be an enormous improvement. With the roster we have in place, I think this is reach given where we are coming from but it's not impossible.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 27, 2024 15:03:14 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 27, 2024 15:07:23 GMT -5
We should be all over this...this is the break Cooley needs for someone to be available late and doesn't seem to have a clear favorite and you can justify the NIL on a kid that was borderline to be drafted...
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 27, 2024 16:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by nbhoya on May 27, 2024 18:19:49 GMT -5
Any noise on Brazile?
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Post by bluechi on May 27, 2024 18:36:54 GMT -5
Not sure why there would be - hoyas have been on him in the past?
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Post by nbhoya on May 27, 2024 18:59:29 GMT -5
Not sure why there would be - hoyas have been on him in the past? Maybe because we have no center or large PF? And CBS guessed he’d end up with us.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 27, 2024 20:24:34 GMT -5
I have zero confidence that they'll land him. Too docile and passive, no sense of urgency.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 27, 2024 20:26:18 GMT -5
Not sure why there would be - hoyas have been on him in the past? Maybe because we have no center or large PF? And CBS guessed he’d end up with us. link?
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Post by dense on May 27, 2024 21:01:38 GMT -5
Not sure why there would be - hoyas have been on him in the past? Henton has been following him and his agent for awhile.
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Post by SDHoya on May 27, 2024 21:20:54 GMT -5
Logic dictates we’ll at least put out feelers for Brazile—whether we’d have any shot here though no idea.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 27, 2024 21:31:17 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on May 28, 2024 1:04:48 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I think after the last debacle maybe Cooley or one of the assistants told the “insiders” and people feeding the insiders to shut up. Since it really doesn’t help anyone especially when they are wrong and it just makes things look worse instead of having a miss just be behind closed doors. As much as I like getting to read the rumors even if it is from the staff or staff-adjacent, it can’t hurt to let them just work quietly and do their job.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 28, 2024 18:28:53 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I think after the last debacle maybe Cooley or one of the assistants told the “insiders” and people feeding the insiders to shut up. Since it really doesn’t help anyone especially when they are wrong and it just makes things look worse instead of having a miss just be behind closed doors. As much as I like getting to read the rumors even if it is from the staff or staff-adjacent, it can’t hurt to let them just work quietly and do their job. Very possibly, but then you get comments like that made by suicideslushpuppie above (and liked by hoyaboya; imagine that).
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 28, 2024 19:36:12 GMT -5
Just stating my opinion; you don't have to agree with it. This is another opportunity for the staff to prove me wrong.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 29, 2024 18:36:56 GMT -5
Just stating my opinion; you don't have to agree with it. This is another opportunity for the staff to prove me wrong. Of course. Your opinion may well be valid. But I'm sure you see the problem. If the staff elects to operate on the QT, it may create the incorrect impression that the staff is unmotivated, sluffing off, etc. For example, I think nearly everyone would agree that we need another big man. Personally, I don't think the failure to land one is the result of a lack of effort on the part of the staff. You may disagree. I think we can agree, though, that the failure is a negative for the staff that still needs to be rectified, regardless of the cause.
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Post by guru on May 29, 2024 18:42:36 GMT -5
Just stating my opinion; you don't have to agree with it. This is another opportunity for the staff to prove me wrong. Of course. Your opinion may well be valid. But I'm sure you see the problem. If the staff elects to operate on the QT, it may create the incorrect impression that the staff is unmotivated, sluffing off, etc. For example, I think nearly everyone would agree that we need another big man. Personally, I don't think the failure to land one is the result of a lack of effort on the part of the staff. You may disagree. I think we can agree, though, that the failure is a negative for the staff that still needs to be rectified, regardless of the cause. I've really fallen off in terms of following our recruiting/portal activity, but it seems like we might have a shot at either Brazile or Ugo? Landing either one of those guys would greatly improve our outlook for next season, correct?
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