Transfers

[eastcoastteddy58]

What is there to know about Kansas transfer Issac McBride, anybody?

[ccoven]

Oct 22, 2019 19:36:07 GMT -5 eastcoastteddy58 said:

What is there to know about Kansas transfer Issac McBride, anybody?

Kid is a “STUD”, he’s from Little Rock, and will likely end up with Musselman at U of Arkansas, according to local people

[eastcoastteddy58]

Yes he is! With that said I find it interesting that more schools aren't on him, Arkansas is a joke.

[ewingitrust]

Us becoming a "Gonzaga of the East" in terms of us recruiting (grad) transfers may not be a bad recruiting pitch. Especially for those who are from the area...played at other schools who may want to stay close to home.

[doublehoya0310]

McBride recently committed to Vandy

watchstadium.com/news/college-basketballs-2019-20-midseason-transfer-list-10-31-2019/

Not sure how many of these guys have the potential to get a waiver to play earlier. Don't think there's a grad transfer list available yet.

[b52legend]

Oct 22, 2019 20:32:25 GMT -5 eastcoastteddy58 said:

Yes he is! With that said I find it interesting that more schools aren't on him, Arkansas is a joke.

This statement is a ridiculous. Arkansas has a 18,000 seat arena on campus and currently has a top 5 recruiting class. Muss will have them humming in the next few years.

[eastcoastteddy58]

Dec 5, 2019 16:15:15 GMT -5 b52legend said:

Oct 22, 2019 20:32:25 GMT -5 eastcoastteddy58 said:

Yes he is! With that said I find it interesting that more schools aren't on him, Arkansas is a joke.

This statement is a ridiculous. Arkansas has a 18,000 seat arena on campus and currently has a top 5 recruiting class. Muss will have them humming in the next few years.

Top 157 not top 5 and who is Muss? If your that much into Arkansas then your on the wrong forum. 

[b52legend]

Dec 5, 2019 16:27:10 GMT -5 eastcoastteddy58 said:

Dec 5, 2019 16:15:15 GMT -5 b52legend said:

This statement is a ridiculous. Arkansas has a 18,000 seat arena on campus and currently has a top 5 recruiting class. Muss will have them humming in the next few years.

Top 157 not top 5 and who is Muss? If your that much into Arkansas then your on the wrong forum. 

This looks like 5 to me: 247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings/

Muss is the coach. Musselman. Was at Nevada for the last 4 years.

I am from Arkansas so I know the program. I guess to be a true Hoya fan I need to be ignorant of what is actually going on at other teams.

[DFW HOYA]

Dec 5, 2019 16:15:15 GMT -5 b52legend said:

This statement is a ridiculous. Arkansas has a 18,000 seat arena on campus and currently has a top 5 recruiting class. Muss will have them humming in the next few years.

Unless you're Rutgers, nearly every Power 5 team has a sizeable and impressive on-campus (or near-campus) arena to appeal to recruits. NBA arenas aren't that big a deal anymore, specially if you (or the NBA) can't fill them.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Agree, kids want to play in a raucous atmosphere, not in a mortuary.

[b52legend]

Dec 5, 2019 16:56:33 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Dec 5, 2019 16:15:15 GMT -5 b52legend said:

This statement is a ridiculous. Arkansas has a 18,000 seat arena on campus and currently has a top 5 recruiting class. Muss will have them humming in the next few years.

Unless you're Rutgers, nearly every Power 5 team has a sizeable and impressive on-campus (or near-campus) arena to appeal to recruits. NBA arenas aren't that big a deal anymore, specially if you (or the NBA) can't fill them.

The primary point was that it seems silly to say that the Arkansas program is a joke. They have a lot of fan support, and if the team starts to win can easily fill the stadium. 2 years ago they averaged 15,247 a game, and the team wasn’t great. Not sure about last year.

[eastcoastteddy58]

Is Arkansas on our schedule? My bad I was looking at 2019 in coming class, I'm concerned with a PG and filling gaps here at GU not the SEC.

[mdtd]

Dec 5, 2019 17:17:23 GMT -5 eastcoastteddy58 said:

Is Arkansas on our schedule? My bad I was looking at 2019 in coming class, I'm concerned with a PG and filling gaps here at GU not the SEC.

Well if Arkansas is competition for a player that you wanted, they completely relate. Also, there isn't a coach better at getting transfers than Eric Musselman. Just look at his rosters at Nevada that were successful. They had the Martin twins, Jazz Johnson, Jordan Caroline, Tre'Shawn Thurman, Trey Porter who were all transfers. Those were his top 6 players. That's just what he does best. So if he's competition, it's hard for Patrick to win that player over. So, mentioning Arkansas is relevant. Very relevant. especially if the transfer is local for him. 

[DFW HOYA]

Dec 5, 2019 17:16:56 GMT -5 b52legend said:

The primary point was that it seems silly to say that the Arkansas program is a joke. They have a lot of fan support, and if the team starts to win can easily fill the stadium. 2 years ago they averaged 15,247 a game, and the team wasn’t great. Not sure about last year.

They averaged 15,278 last year. Not a joke by any means, although their national reputation has faded since Nolan Richardson left (three wins in NCAA tournament since 2000, last in round of 16 in 1996). Try as they might to avoid it, Arkansas often gets relegated to the back seat of the SEC.

[hoyainla]

I love the Musselman strategy in today’s game. I’ve been preaching for it on this board for a while. That was before it seemed like our only way out like it does now.

[jwp91]

Dec 5, 2019 22:47:08 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

I love the Musselman strategy in today’s game. I’ve been preaching for it on this board for a while. That was before it seemed like our only way out like it does now.

How is he so successful getting transfers without tampering? It doesn’t make sense to me. He can’t be the only program who wants transfer of great players.

[b52legend]

Dec 6, 2019 5:24:03 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

Dec 5, 2019 22:47:08 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

I love the Musselman strategy in today’s game. I’ve been preaching for it on this board for a while. That was before it seemed like our only way out like it does now.

How is he so successful getting transfers without tampering? It doesn’t make sense to me. He can’t be the only program who wants transfer of great players.

I don’t know for sure, but based on what I have seen since he became Arkansas coach:

- he was an NBA head coach and G-League head coach. I’m sure he plays up that he knows what they are looking for at that level.

- puts a lot of emphasis on analytics. He has former NBA analytics guys on staff. Probably sells being able to improve guys games and weaknesses.

- he plays a short rotation (7-8 guys), so that gives guys an opportunity for a lot of playing time and video.

- so far, at the college level, he has won.

- his next recruiting class is so far all highly rated high school kids. So I don’t know to what extent the targeting of transfers was a strategy borne out of desire as perhaps necessity at Nevada and certainly in his first year at Arkansas as a late hire.

[hoyainla]

Dec 6, 2019 6:38:30 GMT -5 b52legend said:

Dec 6, 2019 5:24:03 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

How is he so successful getting transfers without tampering? It doesn’t make sense to me. He can’t be the only program who wants transfer of great players.

I don’t know for sure, but based on what I have seen since he became Arkansas coach:

- he was an NBA head coach and G-League head coach. I’m sure he plays up that he knows what they are looking for at that level.

- puts a lot of emphasis on analytics. He has former NBA analytics guys on staff. Probably sells being able to improve guys games and weaknesses.

- he plays a short rotation (7-8 guys), so that gives guys an opportunity for a lot of playing time and video.

- so far, at the college level, he has won.

- his next recruiting class is so far all highly rated high school kids. So I don’t know to what extent the targeting of transfers was a strategy borne out of desire as perhaps necessity at Nevada and certainly in his first year at Arkansas as a late hire.

All of this plus he fully embraced and brought in multiple guys at once. Not just one every now and then like other schools would. He also had success with them. No other coach at his level did what he did. It had to be a pretty easy pitch for him to say I’m bringing in a bunch of guys just like you. You don’t have to worry about coming in at a disadvantage to existing guys. He also was staggering it well so there was always playing time.

I would even say most here wouldn’t want to fill out our roster with mostly transfers but I would have no problem with it. As I have often said in here old guys win in college basketball. If you always have old guys especially the ones of the caliber he was getting you are going to be consistently very good. It doesn’t give you the pride and satisfaction of seeing guys grow and know they always wanted to be a Hoya. I would say based on the past few years most of us are just tired of losing and if this meant we would start winning again we could overlook that.

[calhoya]

It will be interesting to see what New Mexico does this year with 5-6 transfers, many of whom have been with the program 2 years. Include former 4* and 5* players from Kansas, UConn and Ohio State.

[wponds]