Paul White transfers to Oregon University

[tashoya]

Aug 23, 2016 22:09:57 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Aug 23, 2016 12:14:15 GMT -5 Hoyas4Ever said:

It seems as though your having a difficult time keeping track of the nonsense your spreading as gospel to your domesticated ruminant mammals on this board but your not pulling the wool over my eyes. Your trying to be slick by switching up the argument. Your original statement was that Paul White "wasn't athletic enough to play the small forward position", not that White wasn't an elite athlete like Peak, Copeland, Pryor and Mosely. That's a completely different argument. You making that unsolicited statement is an attack on his abilities along with making the impossible claim to know claim that White wasn't going to play much this upcoming season anyways is an attack on Paul White on his way out the door. Trying to claim that as fact and that's why he transferred is utterly ridiculous. It also has more weight coming from you as a supposed "insider" to your flock who may take that nonsense as truth. It was unsolicited attack and was completely unnecessary. Then your tying to cover it up by back tracking "well if you read my original post, I did say Paul White is a good guy". Nobody on the board questioned whether or not he is of high character or not but I find it funny that you were THE ONLY ONE to throw shots and questioning his basketball abilities. Nobody else, only you! Everybody wished him well, some questioned his health, but ONLY YOU threw shots (multiple unsolicited shots) at his abilities on the court. As insider you should preface your statements with IMO or I think because some of your flock on here may think your speaking from inside knowledge and it's classless because it gets perceived as truth. "Well if B&G said it, it must be true" is what some of your mindless drones on here will believe.

Back to why your statement that Paul White wasn't going to play much this year. You quoted your own post in the Starting 5 Thread that ironically you started that White was only going to get 5 minutes of playing time a game and having been pushing this as a fact that is the reason why he left. It's impossible to have any idea how much playing time anyone is going to get in August for a season that doesn't start until mid November. The entire team hasn't even had a full practice with the full coaching staff on hand like they will be able to in October. Players have yet to demonstrate on court chemistry with one another or be instructed by the full staff. I don't care how deep we may appear to be on paper, a player of Paul White's versatility and capabilities would find solid to significant playing time on almost any D1 program in the country especially one that finished with its worst record in over a decade at 15-18 last year. I'm not trying to be a Debby Downer but people on here do realize that all those points that Pryor scored in the Kenner League doesn't actually count in any of the games in November-April. Don't get me wrong, Pryor obviously has abilities and I'm happy he's a Hoya but let's face facts, Kenner League dominance rarely translates to an elite season. Peak arguably had a better or at least as good Kenner league performance entering his freshman year as Pryor did this summer and he had his struggles and has yet to put it all together for a full college season. The point of all this is no one has a clue what the season is going to bring and to say that someone isn't going to get significant playing time in August for a season that starts in November and hopefully ends in April is ABSOLUTELY ASININE. If JT3 told White to his face that he would only play 5 minutes a game and he wouldn't get solid to significant playing time this upcoming season in August like you have alluded to, after the last season this team just had, without having a chance to coach them in multiple full practices, only having Kenner play as an evaluation tool, then I'm going to have to get on the Eagle54 or whoever else is on here's bandwagon that's pushing for a coaching change.

Now back to how unbelievably deep the Hoyas are this upcoming season. Where have I read and heard that narrative before??? Hmmmm.....I think I heard this same story/narrative right about this same time last year. Last August we were perceived to be really really deep. The deepest team in the JT3 era is what many were saying. Then right before midnight madness news started to matriculate about injuries. I believe former Long Beach State/USF/Virginia Tech Coach & current ESPN analyst Seth Greenberg attended a practice and alluded to the injuries in a tweet after the practice. Akoy misses the entire season with a knee injury. Paul White was never healthy enough to play at high level but tried to gut it out which he should be commended for until it was no longer possible or in his and the team's best interest. Peak struggled with foul trouble most of the year, Copeland started the season on fire but seemed to hit a mid season wall and struggled with consistency. Tre Campbell was given to much responsibility to manage (my opinion) and took a major step back in his development. Hayes played way better that anyone could have expected but then got hurt. That's how a perceived deep team finishes in 8th place in the BIG EAST and 15-18 overall record. This team still has many question marks that won't be answered until well into the season. We don't know for sure what Mulmore or Mosely will do at the PG. We don't know for a fact that Pryor can and will play at a high level consistently in the BIG EAST. We don't know for sure if the rising sophomores in Derrickson's, Johnson and Govan will take steps forward in their development. We don't know if Peak can stay out of foul trouble or if Copeland can play more of consistent all around game. Heck we don't even know what the offense is going to be. With all of these questions, how could anyone including JT3 for certain say who's going to play and how much in August. So you can miss me with the he left because he wasn't going to play nonsense. If it comes out later that he's still injured, that another story but a healthy Paul White would absolutely get good amount of playing time.

I don't blame you asking me to block you as I'm sure I'm upsetting the status quo with your congregation by attempting to pull the veil from their eyes and letting them know they don't have to graze in some of the nonsense your feeding them. Sorry but I have a little bit more knowledge and experience of how all this works so I can see through malaise you have your subjects in. I'm too well educated and experienced in this business to fall for garbage your pushing. I don't know why Paul White transferred but I will tell you this, it was for more then just basketball minutes.

Isn't a "ruminant mammal" a tautology? I assume that someone who proclaims herself as "too well educated" would know that. Also, you forget to mention that Seth Greenberg also coached at Columbia/Pitt/UVa/Miami.

The "your" got me even before the "ruminant mammal" part.

[FrazierFanatic]

Aug 23, 2016 22:19:29 GMT -5 trillesthoya said:

WAKE UP SHEEPLE FREE YOURSELF FROM THE BRAINWASHING!

Now THERE is a useful post.

[kchoya]

Aug 23, 2016 12:14:15 GMT -5 Hoyas4Ever said:

I don't blame you asking me to block you as I'm sure I'm upsetting the status quo with your congregation by attempting to pull the veil from their eyes and letting them know they don't have to graze in some of the nonsense your feeding them. Sorry but I have a little bit more knowledge and experience of how all this works so I can see through malaise you have your subjects in. I'm too well educated and experienced in this business to fall for garbage your pushing. I don't know why Paul White transferred but I will tell you this, it was for more then just basketball minutes.

[SSHoya]

This thread has taken an amusing turn! In the interests of accuracy, all ruminants are mammals but not all mammals are ruminants. Primates, dogs, cats and swine are nonruminant (i.e., monogastric) mammals. As are whales!!! Thus, there is no tautology!!

prezi.com/07bohjaa8cso/ruminants-and-non-ruminant-digestive-system/

Horses and rabbits (mammals) are non-ruminant herbivores whose digestive tracts have mono and polygastric capabilities. The stomach and small intestine process starch, proteins, vitamins and minerals, but the fibrous part of their feed passes through the small intestine to the hindgut where fermentation further breaks down the food. Herbivores, such as zebras and rhinoceroses, expel large amounts of undigested food. To obtain necessary nutrients, they must continually graze and eat huge quantities of food.

MODS: Please lock this thread!!! Thanks in advance!

[FrazierFanatic]

I saw this exact same discussion on the Syracuse board.

[njhoya78]

Aug 24, 2016 14:18:58 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

I saw this exact same discussion on the Syracuse board.

Link, please?

[seaweed]

Aug 24, 2016 15:11:19 GMT -5 njhoya78 said:

Aug 24, 2016 14:18:58 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

I saw this exact same discussion on the Syracuse board.

Link, please?

goo.gl/images/7RAknq

[Massholya]

Aug 24, 2016 17:42:51 GMT -5 seaweed said:

Aug 24, 2016 15:11:19 GMT -5 njhoya78 said:

Link, please?

goo.gl/images/7RAknq

Missed a perfect opportunity to Rickroll Hoya talk.

[trillesthoya]

Rumor has it he's heading to Oregon

See you in November Paul!

[tashoya]

Aug 29, 2016 21:31:21 GMT -5 trillesthoya said:

Rumor has it he's heading to Oregon

See you in November Paul!

If that turns out to be true, it's going to seem odd seeing him on the bench rooting for his new team. No one can ever take the Tyler Adams crown for best teammate sidelined for medical reasons but Paul wasn't that far behind. I hope he ends up at a school and in a program in which he's happy and flourishes. Transfers happen and we rarely know why but it's always tough to see a high character guy, and a team first guy to boot, leave the school and the team. I only hope that it was a decision that Paul made for himself and not one that he felt forced into for personnel or health reasons. I'll absolutely be rooting for him regardless of where he lands. I'll hope he goes for a triple double if he ends up playing against the Hoyas but will also hope his team loses by 30 despite his effort. Of all of the transfers I can recall, I think this one is at the top of my list for guys I'm regretful to see go. I'm really hoping he comes back at better than his previous 100% and realizes all of his potential.

[DanMcQ]

[IDenj]

Aug 23, 2016 12:14:15 GMT -5 Hoyas4Ever said:

Aug 22, 2016 0:36:53 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

"Jilted ex girlfriend"...really? I've said over and over again that Paul is a great kid who will be missed. Re-read my posts. I like Paul a lot. He was close with everyone on the team and may have had the highest bball IQ on the team. You are right though, I do not think that he is the high level athlete Peak, Copeland, Pryor and Mosely are...so if you want to say that I am tearing him down...run with it. You call it tearing him down, I call it a reasonable assessment of his athleticism. Further, I can't disclose all I know all the time because this board simply isn't the forum to do so. That said, most on this board would agree that Paul would be fighting for minutes this year, most importantly however is that Paul would too. I wish Paul the very best and think we will really miss him 2017/18.

Finally, if you have an issue with my posts....feel free to block me. I promise, I won't take it personally.

It seems as though your having a difficult time keeping track of the nonsense your spreading as gospel to your domesticated ruminant mammals on this board but your not pulling the wool over my eyes. Your trying to be slick by switching up the argument. Your original statement was that Paul White "wasn't athletic enough to play the small forward position", not that White wasn't an elite athlete like Peak, Copeland, Pryor and Mosely. That's a completely different argument. You making that unsolicited statement is an attack on his abilities along with making the impossible claim to know claim that White wasn't going to play much this upcoming season anyways is an attack on Paul White on his way out the door. Trying to claim that as fact and that's why he transferred is utterly ridiculous. It also has more weight coming from you as a supposed "insider" to your flock who may take that nonsense as truth. It was unsolicited attack and was completely unnecessary. Then your tying to cover it up by back tracking "well if you read my original post, I did say Paul White is a good guy". Nobody on the board questioned whether or not he is of high character or not but I find it funny that you were THE ONLY ONE to throw shots and questioning his basketball abilities. Nobody else, only you! Everybody wished him well, some questioned his health, but ONLY YOU threw shots (multiple unsolicited shots) at his abilities on the court. As insider you should preface your statements with IMO or I think because some of your flock on here may think your speaking from inside knowledge and it's classless because it gets perceived as truth. "Well if B&G said it, it must be true" is what some of your mindless drones on here will believe.

Back to why your statement that Paul White wasn't going to play much this year. You quoted your own post in the Starting 5 Thread that ironically you started that White was only going to get 5 minutes of playing time a game and having been pushing this as a fact that is the reason why he left. It's impossible to have any idea how much playing time anyone is going to get in August for a season that doesn't start until mid November. The entire team hasn't even had a full practice with the full coaching staff on hand like they will be able to in October. Players have yet to demonstrate on court chemistry with one another or be instructed by the full staff. I don't care how deep we may appear to be on paper, a player of Paul White's versatility and capabilities would find solid to significant playing time on almost any D1 program in the country especially one that finished with its worst record in over a decade at 15-18 last year. I'm not trying to be a Debby Downer but people on here do realize that all those points that Pryor scored in the Kenner League doesn't actually count in any of the games in November-April. Don't get me wrong, Pryor obviously has abilities and I'm happy he's a Hoya but let's face facts, Kenner League dominance rarely translates to an elite season. Peak arguably had a better or at least as good Kenner league performance entering his freshman year as Pryor did this summer and he had his struggles and has yet to put it all together for a full college season. The point of all this is no one has a clue what the season is going to bring and to say that someone isn't going to get significant playing time in August for a season that starts in November and hopefully ends in April is ABSOLUTELY ASININE. If JT3 told White to his face that he would only play 5 minutes a game and he wouldn't get solid to significant playing time this upcoming season in August like you have alluded to, after the last season this team just had, without having a chance to coach them in multiple full practices, only having Kenner play as an evaluation tool, then I'm going to have to get on the Eagle54 or whoever else is on here's bandwagon that's pushing for a coaching change.

Now back to how unbelievably deep the Hoyas are this upcoming season. Where have I read and heard that narrative before??? Hmmmm.....I think I heard this same story/narrative right about this same time last year. Last August we were perceived to be really really deep. The deepest team in the JT3 era is what many were saying. Then right before midnight madness news started to matriculate about injuries. I believe former Long Beach State/USF/Virginia Tech Coach & current ESPN analyst Seth Greenberg attended a practice and alluded to the injuries in a tweet after the practice. Akoy misses the entire season with a knee injury. Paul White was never healthy enough to play at high level but tried to gut it out which he should be commended for until it was no longer possible or in his and the team's best interest. Peak struggled with foul trouble most of the year, Copeland started the season on fire but seemed to hit a mid season wall and struggled with consistency. Tre Campbell was given to much responsibility to manage (my opinion) and took a major step back in his development. Hayes played way better that anyone could have expected but then got hurt. That's how a perceived deep team finishes in 8th place in the BIG EAST and 15-18 overall record. This team still has many question marks that won't be answered until well into the season. We don't know for sure what Mulmore or Mosely will do at the PG. We don't know for a fact that Pryor can and will play at a high level consistently in the BIG EAST. We don't know for sure if the rising sophomores in Derrickson's, Johnson and Govan will take steps forward in their development. We don't know if Peak can stay out of foul trouble or if Copeland can play more of consistent all around game. Heck we don't even know what the offense is going to be. With all of these questions, how could anyone including JT3 for certain say who's going to play and how much in August. So you can miss me with the he left because he wasn't going to play nonsense. If it comes out later that he's still injured, that another story but a healthy Paul White would absolutely get good amount of playing time.

I don't blame you asking me to block you as I'm sure I'm upsetting the status quo with your congregation by attempting to pull the veil from their eyes and letting them know they don't have to graze in some of the nonsense your feeding them. Sorry but I have a little bit more knowledge and experience of how all this works so I can see through malaise you have your subjects in. I'm too well educated and experienced in this business to fall for garbage your pushing. I don't know why Paul White transferred but I will tell you this, it was for more then just basketball minutes.

Did not read.

[blueandgray]

Got to give Oregon credit. They were calling our staff within minutes of Paul's announcement to transfer.

[MCIGuy]

Aug 30, 2016 15:16:51 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

Got to give Oregon credit. They were calling our staff within minutes of Paul's announcement to transfer.

As any program with a brain and scholarship room should have.

[Deleted]

Aug 23, 2016 22:09:57 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Aug 23, 2016 12:14:15 GMT -5 Hoyas4Ever said:

It seems as though your having a difficult time keeping track of the nonsense your spreading as gospel to your domesticated ruminant mammals on this board but your not pulling the wool over my eyes. Your trying to be slick by switching up the argument. Your original statement was that Paul White "wasn't athletic enough to play the small forward position", not that White wasn't an elite athlete like Peak, Copeland, Pryor and Mosely. That's a completely different argument. You making that unsolicited statement is an attack on his abilities along with making the impossible claim to know claim that White wasn't going to play much this upcoming season anyways is an attack on Paul White on his way out the door. Trying to claim that as fact and that's why he transferred is utterly ridiculous. It also has more weight coming from you as a supposed "insider" to your flock who may take that nonsense as truth. It was unsolicited attack and was completely unnecessary. Then your tying to cover it up by back tracking "well if you read my original post, I did say Paul White is a good guy". Nobody on the board questioned whether or not he is of high character or not but I find it funny that you were THE ONLY ONE to throw shots and questioning his basketball abilities. Nobody else, only you! Everybody wished him well, some questioned his health, but ONLY YOU threw shots (multiple unsolicited shots) at his abilities on the court. As insider you should preface your statements with IMO or I think because some of your flock on here may think your speaking from inside knowledge and it's classless because it gets perceived as truth. "Well if B&G said it, it must be true" is what some of your mindless drones on here will believe.

Back to why your statement that Paul White wasn't going to play much this year. You quoted your own post in the Starting 5 Thread that ironically you started that White was only going to get 5 minutes of playing time a game and having been pushing this as a fact that is the reason why he left. It's impossible to have any idea how much playing time anyone is going to get in August for a season that doesn't start until mid November. The entire team hasn't even had a full practice with the full coaching staff on hand like they will be able to in October. Players have yet to demonstrate on court chemistry with one another or be instructed by the full staff. I don't care how deep we may appear to be on paper, a player of Paul White's versatility and capabilities would find solid to significant playing time on almost any D1 program in the country especially one that finished with its worst record in over a decade at 15-18 last year. I'm not trying to be a Debby Downer but people on here do realize that all those points that Pryor scored in the Kenner League doesn't actually count in any of the games in November-April. Don't get me wrong, Pryor obviously has abilities and I'm happy he's a Hoya but let's face facts, Kenner League dominance rarely translates to an elite season. Peak arguably had a better or at least as good Kenner league performance entering his freshman year as Pryor did this summer and he had his struggles and has yet to put it all together for a full college season. The point of all this is no one has a clue what the season is going to bring and to say that someone isn't going to get significant playing time in August for a season that starts in November and hopefully ends in April is ABSOLUTELY ASININE. If JT3 told White to his face that he would only play 5 minutes a game and he wouldn't get solid to significant playing time this upcoming season in August like you have alluded to, after the last season this team just had, without having a chance to coach them in multiple full practices, only having Kenner play as an evaluation tool, then I'm going to have to get on the Eagle54 or whoever else is on here's bandwagon that's pushing for a coaching change.

Now back to how unbelievably deep the Hoyas are this upcoming season. Where have I read and heard that narrative before??? Hmmmm.....I think I heard this same story/narrative right about this same time last year. Last August we were perceived to be really really deep. The deepest team in the JT3 era is what many were saying. Then right before midnight madness news started to matriculate about injuries. I believe former Long Beach State/USF/Virginia Tech Coach & current ESPN analyst Seth Greenberg attended a practice and alluded to the injuries in a tweet after the practice. Akoy misses the entire season with a knee injury. Paul White was never healthy enough to play at high level but tried to gut it out which he should be commended for until it was no longer possible or in his and the team's best interest. Peak struggled with foul trouble most of the year, Copeland started the season on fire but seemed to hit a mid season wall and struggled with consistency. Tre Campbell was given to much responsibility to manage (my opinion) and took a major step back in his development. Hayes played way better that anyone could have expected but then got hurt. That's how a perceived deep team finishes in 8th place in the BIG EAST and 15-18 overall record. This team still has many question marks that won't be answered until well into the season. We don't know for sure what Mulmore or Mosely will do at the PG. We don't know for a fact that Pryor can and will play at a high level consistently in the BIG EAST. We don't know for sure if the rising sophomores in Derrickson's, Johnson and Govan will take steps forward in their development. We don't know if Peak can stay out of foul trouble or if Copeland can play more of consistent all around game. Heck we don't even know what the offense is going to be. With all of these questions, how could anyone including JT3 for certain say who's going to play and how much in August. So you can miss me with the he left because he wasn't going to play nonsense. If it comes out later that he's still injured, that another story but a healthy Paul White would absolutely get good amount of playing time.

I don't blame you asking me to block you as I'm sure I'm upsetting the status quo with your congregation by attempting to pull the veil from their eyes and letting them know they don't have to graze in some of the nonsense your feeding them. Sorry but I have a little bit more knowledge and experience of how all this works so I can see through malaise you have your subjects in. I'm too well educated and experienced in this business to fall for garbage your pushing. I don't know why Paul White transferred but I will tell you this, it was for more then just basketball minutes.

Isn't a "ruminant mammal" a tautology? I assume that someone who proclaims herself as "too well educated" would know that. Also, you forget to mention that Seth Greenberg also coached at Columbia/Pitt/UVa/Miami.

I have been waiting years for a potential HoyaTalk replacement to "self-internal jealousy".  Perhaps in "ruminant mammal", I've finally found it ...

The bigger question, I suppose, is ... do ruminant mammals do it like they do on the Discovery Channel? Or just on FS1?

[tashoya]

Aug 30, 2016 15:16:51 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

Got to give Oregon credit. They were calling our staff within minutes of Paul's announcement to transfer.

Speculation over. Clearly, the poorly done Kente pattern on our new floor was the reason Paul decided to leave. #cantseethekente

[DanMcQ]

[DanMcQ]

[tashoya]

Here's to hoping that Paul comes back strong and healthy and makes us all regret his leaving even more than we do now. I'd love for him to still be a Hoya but I wish him nothing but success as a Duck. Best of luck to Paul. He'll certainly be missed.

[professorhoya]

Aug 31, 2016 12:37:33 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Really happy for Paul. Oregon is an elite program wig infinite resources and facilities. And one of the top schools out on the west coast for basketball. Was a much better choice than going to Nebraska.