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Post by blueandgray on Aug 19, 2016 8:59:10 GMT -5
This is an "interesting" statement or spin on White transferring. We have no idea what Paul White could have developed into while in a Hoyas uniforms. He showed some flashes as a freshman that he could develop into a very good player. Injury took away his sophomore year. In terms of his athleticism and him being athletically challenged, Paul White showed he is just as much if not more athletic then Otto Porter was and Otto used his lack elite athleticism to be a BIG EAST POY, 1st Team All American and in several post season awards he was runner up to National Player Of The Year. I'm in no way saying White and Otto are equivalent players and by most accounts Otto is an inch taller and a longer reach but athletically they are very very similar. Imo White was probably more athletic then Otto was when he suited up for the Hoyas. So I completely disagree with the statement that Paul White was always going to be athletically challenged at the Small Forward position. Love your insight but this is not true at all. White was not as athletic as Otto. Versatile yes, but not as athletic. This isn't even close. The only other players in recent years with the complete package of versatility, IQ & athleticism to Otto are Jeff & Greg W. Agreed. Probably the biggest difference between Otto and White is how much time Otto put in at the gym. Paul is a great, great guy (and smart). I would love to have him on this team namely to see if he could pull it together a couple years down the road. A change of scenery could be good for him....lot's of schools already sniffing around. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 19, 2016 9:23:19 GMT -5
Love your insight but this is not true at all. White was not as athletic as Otto. Versatile yes, but not as athletic. This isn't even close. The only other players in recent years with the complete package of versatility, IQ & athleticism to Otto are Jeff & Greg W. Agreed. Probably the biggest difference between Otto and White is how much time Otto put in at the gym. Paul is a great, great guy (and smart). I would love to have him on this team namely to see if he could pull it together a couple years down the road. A change of scenery could be good for him.... lot's of schools already sniffing around. Georgia Tech possibly with Coach Hardy there? Could see Wisconsin as a really good fit for Paul and the way he plays. I'd be surprised if he ended up at a school that didn't have strong academics. He's a smart kid, went to a top-notch high school, comes from a great family, and will now have another year to pursue his studies - could possibly end up with a master's degree paid for and finished by the time his eligibility is over. He probably realizes that an NBA career is an extreme longshot now, given the injuries/time away from competitive hoops. |
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 19, 2016 9:42:44 GMT -5
Agreed. Probably the biggest difference between Otto and White is how much time Otto put in at the gym. Paul is a great, great guy (and smart). I would love to have him on this team namely to see if he could pull it together a couple years down the road. A change of scenery could be good for him.... lot's of schools already sniffing around. Georgia Tech possibly with Coach Hardy there? Could see Wisconsin as a really good fit for Paul and the way he plays. I'd be surprised if he ended up at a school that didn't have strong academics. He's a smart kid, went to a top-notch high school, comes from a great family, and will now have another year to pursue his studies - could possibly end up with a master's degree paid for and finished by the time his eligibility is over. He probably realizes that an NBA career is an extreme longshot now, given the injuries/time away from competitive hoops. I'd put my money on Miami being his landing spot, especially if he wants to play SF.. They have a need for that spot, they have open slots.. Plus Larranaga recruited him out of HS & he loves to bring in transfer kids.. |
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 19, 2016 10:19:50 GMT -5
Georgia Tech possibly with Coach Hardy there? Could see Wisconsin as a really good fit for Paul and the way he plays. I'd be surprised if he ended up at a school that didn't have strong academics. He's a smart kid, went to a top-notch high school, comes from a great family, and will now have another year to pursue his studies - could possibly end up with a master's degree paid for and finished by the time his eligibility is over. He probably realizes that an NBA career is an extreme longshot now, given the injuries/time away from competitive hoops. I'd put my money on Miami being his landing spot, especially if he wants to play SF.. They have a need for that spot, they have open slots.. Plus Larranaga recruited him out of HS & he loves to bring in transfer kids.. If White ends up at Miami with Lykes and they have real success I am not sure this board will survive. |
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Post by kchoya on Aug 19, 2016 10:32:45 GMT -5
Let's call it like it is. Paul was very far away from where he needed to be and by all accounts ...did not look good this summer. Even if healthy, he was going to struggle to get time and injured or not, he was always going to be athletically challenged at SF. In terms of his athleticism and him being athletically challenged, Paul White showed he is just as much if not more athletic then Otto Porter was {.} I love Paul's game, but c'mon. No one believes that. |
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 19, 2016 10:35:58 GMT -5
I'm really going to miss our Paul White/Isaac Copeland lineups. Those two on the court their freshman year fed off each other. Both of them healthy on the court this year could've been one of the best wing-duos in D1 basketball.
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Post by BigmanU on Aug 19, 2016 11:09:21 GMT -5
Paul is a smart young man. He probably planned this just in case he wasn't back 100%. He gave it a go at Kenner and probably made this tough decision accordingly. He wants to maximize his college playing career. Staying here would leave two years of eligibility because last year would have been his Medical redshirt petition year. He would be forced to count this year and play sparingly or if at all because he is not 100%, leaving two remaining years 17-18 & 18-19 (Medical RS yr). Transferring would buy more time and give him potentially three years of eligibility 17-18, 18-19 & 19-20 (Medical RS yr.)
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 19, 2016 12:00:48 GMT -5
So now we have an extra scholarship, right? Any late transfers to go after out there?? *ducks and runs*
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 12:09:50 GMT -5
So now we have an extra scholarship, right? Any late transfers to go after out there?? *ducks and runs* I'd assume we're back at 13 right?... |
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Post by SDHoya on Aug 19, 2016 12:23:02 GMT -5
Oof, well that's a gut punch. Not sure given his injuries how much effect he'd have had this year, but considering we still have zero commits for 17 and 18, this definitely increases the anxiety scale. Hopefully we get a commit or two soon to calm the nerves.
I have always been a Paul White fan, and still think if he can shake the injuries he can be an excellent college player. Best of luck.
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Post by fanofjack on Aug 19, 2016 12:23:13 GMT -5
So now we have an extra scholarship, right? Any late transfers to go after out there?? *ducks and runs* I'd assume we're back at 13 right?... Uh-oh. We sure we're not about to lose another? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 12:30:16 GMT -5
I'd assume we're back at 13 right?... Uh-oh. We sure we're not about to lose another? I don't read much into twitter comments like this tbh. Could be anything really... |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 19, 2016 12:38:29 GMT -5
Paul is a smart young man. He probably planned this just in case he wasn't back 100%. He gave it a go at Kenner and probably made this tough decision accordingly. He wants to maximize his college playing career. Staying here would leave two years of eligibility because last year would have been his Medical redshirt petition year. He would be forced to count this year and play sparingly or if at all because he is not 100%, leaving two remaining years 17-18 & 18-19 (Medical RS yr). Transferring would buy more time and give him potentially three years of eligibility 17-18, 18-19 & 19-20 (Medical RS yr.) Agreed with all of this, completely makes sense. Which is what makes the lack of a JT3 quote supporting Paul's decision seem odd. |
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Post by saxagael on Aug 19, 2016 14:58:31 GMT -5
This one hurts a bit. We really missed Paul last year as his is good on the boards, passes well, is really good without the ball, and shoots really well from the outside. All pain points last year that really would have benefited the team. I don't think there is much improvement on rebounding.
At Kenner Paul moved better as the summer went on, but his sitting out the last half of the final was a little worrying and was wondering if he tweaked something.
I'm not sure where the boards are going to come from this year. Hoyas have great additions with other needs, but the ability to get rebounds didn't measurably improve this year, particularly with Paul now gone.
He seemed like a great guy with a really good head for the game, school, and life. I wish him nothing but the best.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 19, 2016 15:26:55 GMT -5
Uh-oh. We sure we're not about to lose another? I don't read much into twitter comments like this tbh. Could be anything really... He replied to a Gtown student presumably a friend saying he would see him in a couple weeks so don't look like he is going anywhere. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 19, 2016 15:51:35 GMT -5
If Akoy is frustrated with anything, it has to be his health. No one has been limiting his minutes or involvement because he has never been healthy to play during his time at GU. I don't read that tweet as an indication he wants to transfer again.
Personally, I hope he does get better soon. We could certainly use him in the rotation.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 19, 2016 17:36:21 GMT -5
New coaches and new facilities and White still walks. Just weird in its timing. Going to summer school at GU. Playing in the KL. Taking tours of DC with his teammates. HR reported it had heard rumors of him wanting to transfer during the season but after the school year ended and he hadn't left everything seemed in the clear. To do so this late stage in the game suggests to me that when he returned home recently something happened or he had a some face-to-face with someone which led to a change in heart.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 19, 2016 18:11:15 GMT -5
New coaches and new facilities and White still walks. Just weird in its timing. Going to summer school at GU. Playing in the KL. Taking tours of DC with his teammates. HR reported it had heard rumors of him wanting to transfer during the season but after the school year ended and he hadn't left everything seemed in the clear. To do so this late stage in the game suggests to me that when he returned home recently something happened or he had a some face-to-face with someone which led to a change in heart. I think there's a bunch of factors but the emergence of Rodney Pryor probably spelled out his likely playing time this season. Assuming Pryor and Peak get the majority of minutes at the 2 and 3. You are looking at Hayes/Govan/Akoy/Mourning/Copeland at the 4 and 5 which leaves little PT for Paul White. At the end of the day it's a business and he has to do what's best for his basketball career and pro aspirations whether it be NBA or abroad. His hip injury seems to have been pretty serious and the rumour was that it was a Spike Albrecht like potentially career ending hip injury, so he was very unlucky. Wish him the best. |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 19, 2016 18:17:24 GMT -5
Let's call it like it is. Paul was very far away from where he needed to be and by all accounts ...did not look good this summer. Even if healthy, he was going to struggle to get time and injured or not, he was always going to be athletically challenged at SF. This is an "interesting" statement or spin on White transferring. We have no idea what Paul White could have developed into while in a Hoyas uniforms. He showed some flashes as a freshman that he could develop into a very good player. Injury took away his sophomore year. In terms of his athleticism and him being athletically challenged, Paul White showed he is just as much if not more athletic then Otto Porter was and Otto used his lack elite athleticism to be a BIG EAST POY, 1st Team All American and in several post season awards he was runner up to National Player Of The Year. I'm in no way saying White and Otto are equivalent players and by most accounts Otto is an inch taller and a longer reach but athletically they are very very similar. Imo White was probably more athletic then Otto was when he suited up for the Hoyas. So I completely disagree with the statement that Paul White was always going to be athletically challenged at the Small Forward position. I disagree. Otto was very quick and had a non stop motor. Paul was pretty slow and low energy. Neither guy was really explosive or played above the rim. But just based off quickness and speed and given that neither guy can really jump out of the gym Otto is much more athletic than Paul. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 19, 2016 20:01:53 GMT -5
Here's the thing....Paul could actually dunk from a standstill underneath the basket. I saw him do it a couple of times. This is something I never saw Otto accomplish. So in some areas, yes, Paul was a better athlete, just maybe not all around better.
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