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Post by gotgame2 on Aug 19, 2016 20:14:27 GMT -5
Paul White is healthy. You need to disregard those rumors. Dude can play and will get his due elsewhere. Regret he won't be a Hoya but wish him well on his journey. Keeping it real!
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Post by rockhoya on Aug 19, 2016 22:06:31 GMT -5
Here's the thing....Paul could actually dunk from a standstill underneath the basket. I saw him do it a couple of times. This is something I never saw Otto accomplish. So in some areas, yes, Paul was a better athlete, just maybe not all around better. Exactly. I think the difference is that Paul was low energy - or much more deliberate a la DSR - and Otto has a very high motor. As far as natural athleticism goes, Paul is more gifted though. Again, it's only one game, but he strapped up Mudiay for a whole game, just cause he looks like he's moving in slow motion doesn't mean he can't pick it up when he needs to. He's very calculated and affiecient in his movements. Either way, the original point was that he'd have limitations in the BE because of his athleticism, but I'm not really sure how one can seriously think that. As noted above, he has more bounce than Otto, so it's not like he's dereft of athleticism. Tbh, he may have dunked more times in limited minutes as a freshman than Otto did in two years playing starters minutes. |
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Post by s4hoyas on Aug 19, 2016 22:31:49 GMT -5
Paul White is healthy. You need to disregard those rumors. Dude can play and will get his due elsewhere. Regret he won't be a Hoya but wish him well on his journey. Keeping it real! |
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Post by s4hoyas on Aug 19, 2016 22:32:39 GMT -5
So why is he leaving?
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 20, 2016 0:29:54 GMT -5
Paul White is healthy. You need to disregard those rumors. Dude can play and will get his due elsewhere. Regret he won't be a Hoya but wish him well on his journey. Keeping it real! So how do you account for paul playing only sparingly in Kenner and when he did not being very effective? |
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Post by gotgame2 on Aug 20, 2016 0:45:38 GMT -5
You have got to be kidding? You actually evaluate players based on ball hogging, no defense Kenner League play? Paul White got game and maybe he is leaving to allow him to get some playing time on the court to show his skills. Time to confess that he got game. Period!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 20, 2016 1:30:30 GMT -5
You have got to be kidding? You actually evaluate players based on ball hogging, no defense Kenner League play? Paul White got game and maybe he is leaving to allow him to get some playing time on the court to show his skills. Time to confess that he got game. Period! I don't think anybody doubts that White has skills and a lot of potential to be a very good college player. But, pretty much every report from Kenner seemed to indicate that he did not appear fully healthy. All that said, this thread is full of speculation - unless White eventually talks about it to the media we aren't going to know the reasons why he chose to leave. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 20, 2016 1:58:20 GMT -5
One thing we know for sure, Paul was going to struggle getting time. He was pretty far down the depth chart. I'm guessing that had something to do with it.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 20, 2016 2:42:31 GMT -5
Here's the thing....Paul could actually dunk from a standstill underneath the basket. I saw him do it a couple of times. This is something I never saw Otto accomplish. So in some areas, yes, Paul was a better athlete, just maybe not all around better. Exactly. I think the difference is that Paul was low energy - or much more deliberate a la DSR - and Otto has a very high motor. As far as natural athleticism goes, Paul is more gifted though. Again, it's only one game, but he strapped up Mudiay for a whole game, just cause he looks like he's moving in slow motion doesn't mean he can't pick it up when he needs to. He's very calculated and affiecient in his movements. Either way, the original point was that he'd have limitations in the BE because of his athleticism, but I'm not really sure how one can seriously think that. As noted above, he has more bounce than Otto, so it's not like he's dereft of athleticism. Tbh, he may have dunked more times in limited minutes as a freshman than Otto did in two years playing starters minutes. Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself! I will add that Otto was labeled at least 1 inch taller then Paul White and was blessed with an amazing 7'2" wingspan, which by just looking at both of them is obviously longer then Paul White's reach. This along with a great ability and knowledge of how to position himself in a variety of areas on the court aided Otto in making athletic plays while on the Hilltop. Otto's game at Georgetown was never based on athleticism. His game was based on his high level motor like others have mentioned plus a high Bball IQ, great positioning on the glass and on defense during his freshman year. In his sophomore year he added elite level shooting, better ball handling and all around skill with the ball in his hands to the rest of his game to make him the complete player he became and made him the 3rd pick in the draft. Paul White was robbed of the opportunity to show what kind jump he could have made in his game and development during sophomore year. Now we will have to watch the maturation of his game in some other programs jersey. You can just watch any of Paul White's high school highlight films and see he played a more athletic game then Otto. Paul White in his freshman season displayed more athleticism and finished above the rim a lot more times then Otto did in his 2 years on campus. In the NBA Otto has improved athleticism and has displayed it a lot more then he ever did at Georgetown. My original comment was really referring to the point that Blue&Gray was making that Paul White wasn't athletic enough to play the Small Forward position and how absolutely ridiculous that statement was. I just used Otto as an example to state you don't need elite athleticism to be a high level SF at the high major college level. It's funny how people ran with the Otto comparison and completely ignored the comment that Paul White wasn't athletic enough to play the Small Forward position for the Hoyas. |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 20, 2016 3:36:05 GMT -5
One thing we know for sure, Paul was going to struggle getting time. He was pretty far down the depth chart. I'm guessing that had something to do with it. How do we know this for sure? The first game of the season is 3 months away? A ton of things can change from now until they tip off for the first game and it's a very long season. I never would've never guessed Tre Campbell would have been starting for the Hoyas and playing significant amount of meaningful minutes by the time Conference play started last season. Most people on here had Govan starting last season over Hayes and would have never figured Hayes would have monster games against our biggest rivals in Maryland and Syracuse along with other very good performances throughout the season. My point is the season is still along ways away and it's a long season that hopefully won't be ending until April. So many things can happen, good or bad. Last season tells us that. So to make a blanket statement that "one thing we know for sure, Paul was going to struggle to get time" is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS statement! Especially for a high level 4 star top 60 prospect that 2 years ago people were comparing to Porter. You make it sound like White wasn't a national recruit with a bunch of high major offers. In October when the official practices start, White could have outplayed certain players that people on this board have anointed playing time to based off of glorified summer pickup games. He could have played well with certain lineups where his skill set could have been amplified like in a potential line up of Pryor, Peak, White, Copeland and Derrickson. My point is so many options could have been explored and discovered as the season approached and progressed. I know White is coming off a hip injury and that can be tricky but I tend to believe he was healthy and probably just out of basketball conditioning. I tend to believe that he is healthy because why would he risk his health to play in the meaningless Kenner League. If he was injured or slowly recovering as so many had speculated on this board with out any proof, you think JT3, the staff and trainers would give him the green light to play at all in the Kenner league and risk further injury? The only way Paul White wasn't going to play was if he had a physical set back or another injury. If you want to say White wasn't going to start and maybe that's why he left, that's a more plausible narrative. But even then I would have my doubts based on how so many things can change during a college season. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 20, 2016 9:09:13 GMT -5
I'll say it again...Paul was pretty far down the depth chart and was going to struggle to get the minutes. Yes, over the next 3 months he could make a full recovery and get his mojo back...but apparently he himself didn't think that was very likely. Had Paul believed he would play 25 plus minutes a game...this thread wouldn't exist.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 20, 2016 12:23:42 GMT -5
This transfer has really got me thinking about next year. Paul was not going to get much time next year but this transfer really hurts us next year. If we have a good year this year and Cope, Govan or even MD leave early the roster could be In bad shape at F/C next year. If we have a stinky year then everyone probably stays but that is not a good thing. Paul not being able to RS this year I think had to play a big part in his decision and I can't blame him for doing it. Basically this year of playing little will be replaced by a year of tons of time in 2 years and possibly 3 depending on medical RS.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 20, 2016 14:52:17 GMT -5
You have got to be kidding? You actually evaluate players based on ball hogging, no defense Kenner League play? Paul White got game and maybe he is leaving to allow him to get some playing time on the court to show his skills. Time to confess that he got game. Period! What kind of adult actually says, "time to confess that he got game"? |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 20, 2016 16:43:41 GMT -5
The president of the Paul White fanboi club.
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 20, 2016 16:52:08 GMT -5
You have got to be kidding? You actually evaluate players based on ball hogging, no defense Kenner League play? Paul White got game and maybe he is leaving to allow him to get some playing time on the court to show his skills. Time to confess that he got game. Period! What kind of adult actually says, "time to confess that he got game"? What kind of adult actually cares about the words someone uses to express their point on the internet? |
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Post by grandmahoya on Aug 20, 2016 18:39:06 GMT -5
While I wish Paul good luck academically and athletically, I agree with tashoya that Paul's transfer might not only be BB related and we may never know. That said, let's support the players at hand and move on from the truly disappointing season we had last year. There is lots of current and new talent on this team, and reason for optimism for the 2016-2017 season.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Aug 20, 2016 18:59:29 GMT -5
My dude is gone. But he'll be fine whatever he chooses to do. Sorry or the *an.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 20, 2016 19:03:51 GMT -5
I just don't see how he was going to get any playing time. There's such a logjam at the 4 and 5 as it is. And Pryor is going to get major minutes at the 3.
C: Hayes, Govan, (Agau), (Trey Mourning)
PF: Copeland, Derrickson, Trey Mourning, Agau, Muresan
SF: Rodney Pryor, Kaleb Johnson, Reggie Cameron, (Peak)(Derrickson) (Copeland) (Mourning) (Muresan)
SG: LJ Peak (Pryor) (Kaleb Johnson) (Reggie Cameron) (Jagan Mosely)
PG: Jon Mulmore, Tre Campbell, Jagan Mosely (LJ Peak)
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Aug 20, 2016 19:09:49 GMT -5
This one hurts. Totally understand his decision, probably makes the most sense given our competition at the position and his injuries but he was probably my favorite hoya on the squad. Level headed, smart player, who could've become an all time hoya great if things had worked out better. Best of luck at your next school Paul, whoever lands you will be extremely lucky and I hope they give you plenty of minutes. Agree. |
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 20, 2016 19:53:38 GMT -5
This is interesting to say the least. Not too far from Omaha where Akoy Agau is from....
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