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Post by professorhoya on May 5, 2016 11:41:55 GMT -5
Good luck to Coach Hardy. I liked having someone tuned into Chicago recruiting on the staff but there are plenty of other guys with connections out there. I hadn't heard about him pulling LJ or Govan but wasn't White his crown jewel? Hardy had been recruiting him since before he came to G-town. Yes, White was probably his crown jewel, though to say he wasn't involved with LJ is slightly incorrect, IMO. Hardy was all over LJ when he played at Whitney Young in Chicago along with Paul White, Jahlil Okafor, etc. So I think we can say that in his short tenure at Georgetown, Hardy was an important component to recruiting 3 of the top 4 rated recruits that signed with the Hoyas during that span. This is more of a loss than Sutton, IMO. Now we need another recruiter along with an Xs/Os guy. Doesn't seem to say much for Hardy's/Suttton's impressions of JT3's capabilities to help them move up that they would leave to work for Stallings and Pastner. I don't see him as much of a loss. We pulled in one guy this year (Mosely) and not sure what the outlook is for 2017 other than Foster. Hardy came from Northwestern which is hardly a basketball juggernaut so it does make one wonder about his recruiting prowess. Sutton came from GW and brought in Kevin Larsen and Patricio Garino (who Sutton coached in high school) so he brought in some decent players although maybe not the type of blue chip recruits that we want. Seems to me that these guys knew they were on their way out after the performance this season and jumped on the best opportunity they could fine. |
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Post by professorhoya on May 5, 2016 11:44:32 GMT -5
What is the time frame for hiring and announcing new assistants? I would think you would want to get some people on board as soon as possible so they can help with the recruiting process. I realize we are probably not adding anyone else to the roster for this upcoming season, but this is a pretty active time for the 2017 recruits. I have no idea if assistants at Georgetown are paid competitively or not, but I would think it would be fairly attractive job for people in the coaching business. At a minimum it should be a good name to add to a resume for an up and coming assistant coach. It kind of tells me that neither guy was pulling their weight recruiting. And that Broadus was doing all of the work. I would still like Jaren Jackson Sr. as that is probably our best shot at landing a 5 star Jaren Jackson Jr. |
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Post by Filo on May 5, 2016 11:44:45 GMT -5
This is more of a loss than Sutton, IMO. Now we need another recruiter along with an Xs/Os guy. Doesn't seem to say much for Hardy's/Suttton's impressions of JT3's capabilities to help them move up that they would leave to work for Stallings and Pastner. Yeah, I was thinking that, as well. Unless, of course, these departures were mutual. After the disaster that was last season, a shake-up or twenty was definitely warranted. |
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Post by professorhoya on May 5, 2016 11:45:06 GMT -5
Damn, I liked Coach Hardy. Can we PLEASE now get a coach with international ties? We are wasting our international brand at a time when the talent pool abroad is exploding. Jimmy Dolan? |
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Post by hoyaboya on May 5, 2016 12:00:51 GMT -5
This is more of a loss than Sutton, IMO. Now we need another recruiter along with an Xs/Os guy. Doesn't seem to say much for Hardy's/Suttton's impressions of JT3's capabilities to help them move up that they would leave to work for Stallings and Pastner. Yeah, I was thinking that, as well. Unless, of course, these departures were mutual. After the disaster that was last season, a shake-up or twenty was definitely warranted.Totally agree with this. And knowing that JT3's seat can't get warm, the best we could hope for to turn things around from a coaching standpoint was to get some new blood in the assistant ranks. I was actually pretty pleased to see Sutton move on. Nice guy, but not much of a recruiter and didn't seem like an Xs/Os genius based on the team's performance over the last three years. Hardy was younger than Sutton and more proven from a recruiting standpoint. Played a key role in landing 3 top 65 recruits during his tenure and opened a potential pipeline to the Midwest, which made a lot of sense with the structure of the new Big East. If Hardy moving means we end up with Jaren Sr. as an assistant and that lands us Jaren, Jr., then it's probably a win for the Hoyas. We'd still need another Xs/Os guy IMO as the Sutton replacement. I don't necessarily think PE Jr. is an upgrade to Hardy, if it comes to that. Hardy had a lot more of a track record when he came in as an assistant than PE3 would. Does anybody know what Jaren Sr. does for a living these days? Did he accumulate enough wealth as an NBA player to not have to worry about working for a living? Also, per one of the comments above, why is Broadus locked in as the highest paid assistant? What other program besides Georgetown would touch him with a 10-foot pole, given his tenure at Binghamton? |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 5, 2016 12:39:42 GMT -5
Also, per one of the comments above, why is Broadus locked in as the highest paid assistant? What other program besides Georgetown would touch him with a 10-foot pole, given his tenure at Binghamton? Do we even know Broadus is "locked in" as the highest paid assistant? And, do the other assistants make significantly less? I really have no idea. The benefit to having Broadus is that he has a history at Georgetown and JT3, he's obviously a very solid recruiter, and there is basically very low flight risk because of the problems he encountered at Binghamton. I don't see why anybody would view any of that as a problem? The bigger issue is that we really need assistants other than Broadus who can consistently recruit well. Ron Kirby did that, and Hardy/Sutton seemed to have initial successes and then trailed off a bit. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on May 5, 2016 12:49:41 GMT -5
We could also use some assistants who can quickly shore up some fundamentals that have been sorely lacking lately. The ones that especially come to mind are perimeter closeouts (not fouling jump shooters), setting legal screens and boxing out. Those are things that need to get better regardless of talent level and recruiting.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 5, 2016 12:50:48 GMT -5
Also, per one of the comments above, why is Broadus locked in as the highest paid assistant? What other program besides Georgetown would touch him with a 10-foot pole, given his tenure at Binghamton? Do we even know Broadus is "locked in" as the highest paid assistant? And, do the other assistants make significantly less? I really have no idea. The benefit to having Broadus is that he has a history at Georgetown and JT3, he's obviously a very solid recruiter, and there is basically very low flight risk because of the problems he encountered at Binghamton. I don't see why anybody would view any of that as a problem? The bigger issue is that we really need assistants other than Broadus who can consistently recruit well. Ron Kirby did that, and Hardy/Sutton seemed to have initial successes and then trailed off a bit. Exactly...and hopefully he's paid as such, with the expectation that there should be a decent amount of money leftover in the assistant coach compensation pool to attract some really good options. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 12:50:49 GMT -5
Good luck to Coach Hardy. I liked having someone tuned into Chicago recruiting on the staff but there are plenty of other guys with connections out there. I hadn't heard about him pulling LJ or Govan but wasn't White his crown jewel? Hardy had been recruiting him since before he came to G-town. Yes, White was probably his crown jewel, though to say he wasn't involved with LJ is slightly incorrect, IMO. Hardy was all over LJ when he played at Whitney Young in Chicago along with Paul White, Jahlil Okafor, etc. So I think we can say that in his short tenure at Georgetown, Hardy was an important component to recruiting 3 of the top 4 rated recruits that signed with the Hoyas during that span. This is more of a loss than Sutton, IMO. Now we need another recruiter along with an Xs/Os guy. Doesn't seem to say much for Hardy's/Suttton's impressions of JT3's capabilities to help them move up that they would leave to work for Stallings and Pastner. Broadus was on Peak before he even got to Chicago. Broadus brought in Peak, he was his lead recruiter, he doesn't come without KB. He does come without Hardy being here. I love Paul but to say he's 1 of our top 4 players right now is a stretch imo.... KB by my count has brought in 9 players on our current roster why are you guys trying to shade him? lol He deserves whatever he's getting.. The last sentence is confusing to me, seems like a stretch. Could be as simple as they got offered more cash, no? I don't think it says anything other than they won't be coaching here next year and Gtown has an opportunity to add some fresh blood... |
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Post by guru on May 5, 2016 12:51:37 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to say much for Hardy's/Suttton's impressions of JT3's capabilities to help them move up that they would leave to work for Stallings and Pastner. Yeah, that's kind of the troubling part of this move. Pastner? Sheesh. |
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Post by hoyaboya on May 5, 2016 12:54:11 GMT -5
Yes, White was probably his crown jewel, though to say he wasn't involved with LJ is slightly incorrect, IMO. Hardy was all over LJ when he played at Whitney Young in Chicago along with Paul White, Jahlil Okafor, etc. So I think we can say that in his short tenure at Georgetown, Hardy was an important component to recruiting 3 of the top 4 rated recruits that signed with the Hoyas during that span. This is more of a loss than Sutton, IMO. Now we need another recruiter along with an Xs/Os guy. Doesn't seem to say much for Hardy's/Suttton's impressions of JT3's capabilities to help them move up that they would leave to work for Stallings and Pastner. Broadus was on Peak before he even got to Chicago. Broadus brought in Peak, he was his lead recruiter, he doesn't come without KB. He does come without Hardy being here. I love Paul but to say he's 1 of our top 4 players right now is a stretch imo.... KB by my count has brought in 9 players on our current roster. The last sentence is confusing to me, seems like a stretch. Could be as simple as they got offered more cash, no? I don't think it says anything other than they won't be coaching here next year and Gtown has an opportunity to add some fresh blood... Didn't say he was one of our top 4 players right now. I said he was one of the 4 highest rated recruits brought in during the last three years. That's pretty much not debatable. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 12:57:26 GMT -5
Broadus was on Peak before he even got to Chicago. Broadus brought in Peak, he was his lead recruiter, he doesn't come without KB. He does come without Hardy being here. I love Paul but to say he's 1 of our top 4 players right now is a stretch imo.... KB by my count has brought in 9 players on our current roster. The last sentence is confusing to me, seems like a stretch. Could be as simple as they got offered more cash, no? I don't think it says anything other than they won't be coaching here next year and Gtown has an opportunity to add some fresh blood... Didn't say he was one of our top 4 players right now. I said he was one of the 4 highest rated recruits brought in during the last three years. That's pretty much not debatable. That's pretty much a "who cares" statement... Means 0 |
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Post by SSHoya on May 5, 2016 13:00:36 GMT -5
Does anybody know what Jaren Sr. does for a living these days? Did he accumulate enough wealth as an NBA player to not have to worry about working for a living?[/quote] He was coach of the Ottawa Skyhawks in the National Basketball League of Canada until the team folded for financial reasons in 2014. Jackson was the first Hoya to win an NBA championship when he was with the Spurs, I believe. "Jackson is best remembered — for those that remember him — for shutting down the historic Los Angeles Forum with 22 and 20-point performances. The reserve shooting guard punctuated the Spurs sweep with nail-in-the-coffin-three-pointers and a head shaking celebration that was mimicked by impressionable young fans around San Antonio playgrounds (okay, so maybe just by me)." www.48minutesofhell.com/jaren-jackson-helped-create-the-spurs-role-player-mold |
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Post by hoyaboya on May 5, 2016 13:00:48 GMT -5
Chicago Tribune stated that Hardy played a role in bringing Peak to Georgetown in this profile where Hardy was mentioned as a potential head coaching option for DePaul... "Hardy, 35, helped recruit Paul White and LJ Peak to Georgetown" www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-depaul-coaching-candidates-spt-0316-20150315-story.htmlNBCSports thought so as well... "Hardy has already made a major splash under John Thompson III’s staff at Georgetown by continuing to harvest players from the fertile recruiting ground of Chicago and helping the Hoyas land the (former) Whitney Young duo of L.J. Peak and Paul White." collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/tag/tavaras-hardy/To imply that Hardy wasn't a factor in LJ being a Hoya is disingenous and reeks of sour grapes, IMO. |
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Post by rockhoya on May 5, 2016 13:06:16 GMT -5
Also, making it seem like anyone even suggested that is pretty disingenuous as well... |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 13:09:40 GMT -5
And the Pittsburgh paper said Kevin Sutton was a great recruiter so... haha Go back and look at his thread while he was being recruited. "Largely responsible" is their description that clearly is false, small role if any.. Personally knew Hardy was likely to leave around the time Sutton left to imply sour grapes is kinda funny just interested in being accurate... |
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Post by hoyaboya on May 5, 2016 13:11:45 GMT -5
Also, making it seem like anyone even suggested that is pretty disingenuous as well... Would love to see some articles from unbiased sources suggesting that Kevin Broadus was the key guy on LJ Peak, as YaBoy stated in his post. Did some brief searching and couldn't find any, but perhaps they're out there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 13:25:42 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on May 5, 2016 13:30:06 GMT -5
Saw those...was looking for unbiased sources. Any article I can find about LJ Peak's recruitment with mention of a Hoyas assistant talks about Hardy, but I can't find similar articles mentioning Broadus. The way I see it, we just lost our best recruiter (at least from the last 3 years) to Josh Pastner and a second tier ACC program. I hope we replace him with somebody good. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 13:35:28 GMT -5
Saw those...was looking for unbiased sources. Any article I can find about LJ Peak's recruitment mentions Hardy, but I can't find similar articles mentioning Broadus. The way I see it, we just lost our best recruiter (at least from the last 3 years) to Josh Pastner and a second tier ACC program. I hope we replace him with somebody good. No offense but thats a ludicrous statement... |
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