rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 19, 2016 16:15:03 GMT -5
With all due respect it has only worked out because we have missed out on most if not all of the top tier recruits folks here end up salivating over. Not for any other reason. But prove me wrong and show me one instance in which it worked out because of a number of transfers and/or dudes entering the NBA draft. And, no, I'm not talking about the Otto Porter or Greg Whittington scenarios because those were both guys whom III and his staff did not start to target until after the basketball season began and just maybe they were getting a more clear picture of who would be around the following season. I'm instead referring to the times we have had these conversations about top tier recruits the Hoyas were targeting in the spring and summer BEFORE the final high school season of those recruits. Does anyone have one example in which the team was able to bring in a good number of their early-targeted and most wanted targeted recruits despite at the time not having nearly enough slotted openings for those recruits? And as much as I get on III I respect the man's fairness and I don't see him as an irresponsible or shady coach who would accept the early signings of three or four stud players without having complete assurances that there will be scholarship room for them or the players that are already on the team apparently being recruited over. I don't think III can accept verbals and early signings despite being a few players over the cap and brushing it ff with a "it'll work itself out." I don't think that's his style. But maybe you guys disagree. Why are you placing so many conditions on recruiting? Something that is inherently unpredictable? You're acting as if intent does not factor in. No wonder you're unhappy. We have open scholarships moving forward, nobody ready to pop and yet there's still an issue?
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Post by MCIGuy on May 19, 2016 22:19:40 GMT -5
With all due respect it has only worked out because we have missed out on most if not all of the top tier recruits folks here end up salivating over. Not for any other reason. But prove me wrong and show me one instance in which it worked out because of a number of transfers and/or dudes entering the NBA draft. And, no, I'm not talking about the Otto Porter or Greg Whittington scenarios because those were both guys whom III and his staff did not start to target until after the basketball season began and just maybe they were getting a more clear picture of who would be around the following season. I'm instead referring to the times we have had these conversations about top tier recruits the Hoyas were targeting in the spring and summer BEFORE the final high school season of those recruits. Does anyone have one example in which the team was able to bring in a good number of their early-targeted and most wanted targeted recruits despite at the time not having nearly enough slotted openings for those recruits? And as much as I get on III I respect the man's fairness and I don't see him as an irresponsible or shady coach who would accept the early signings of three or four stud players without having complete assurances that there will be scholarship room for them or the players that are already on the team apparently being recruited over. I don't think III can accept verbals and early signings despite being a few players over the cap and brushing it ff with a "it'll work itself out." I don't think that's his style. But maybe you guys disagree. Why are you placing so many conditions on recruiting? Something that is inherently unpredictable? You're acting as if intent does not factor in. No wonder you're unhappy. We have open scholarships moving forward, nobody ready to pop and yet there's still an issue? Placing so many conditions on recruiting? Oh, my bad. Here I was all along thinking I was utilizing math. Forgive me for raining on your parade by actually injecting a realistic obstacle to this whole discussion. Now I've read some posts a page or so back about how we always have this conversation about making room for new players when we don't appear to have many openings; I've read remarks that such concerns over the years never end up coming true thus its pointless to bring them up. You want to know what other conversations that keep occurring on this site that almost never end up turning out as reality? All the talk about a big class of highly regarded and early targeted recruits actually signing with the Hoyas. Especially when there doesn't appear to be enough scholarships available to these recruits for the following year. And because they don't sign we don't ever have to worry about finding the scholarships for all of them. The end.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 20, 2016 0:18:02 GMT -5
Why are you placing so many conditions on recruiting? Something that is inherently unpredictable? You're acting as if intent does not factor in. No wonder you're unhappy. We have open scholarships moving forward, nobody ready to pop and yet there's still an issue? Placing so many conditions on recruiting? Oh, my bad. Here I was all along thinking I was utilizing math. Forgive me for raining on your parade by actually injecting a realistic obstacle to this whole discussion. Now I've read some posts a page or so back about how we always have this conversation about making room for new players when we don't appear to have many openings; I've read remarks that such concerns over the years never end up coming true thus its pointless to bring them up. You want to know what other conversations that keep occurring on this site that almost never end up turning out as reality? All the talk about a big class of highly regarded and early targeted recruits actually signing with the Hoyas. Especially when there doesn't appear to be enough scholarships available to these recruits for the following year. And because they don't sign we don't ever have to worry about finding the scholarships for all of them. The end. I apologize ahead of time if I'm wrong for jumping into this conversation but didn't we just sign a highly regarded 5 man class just 2 years ago with the 4/5 signed early and then follow it up with another solid and well respected 3 man class last year? If you want to state that JT3 has misevaluated the PG position since signing Markel Starks, you won't get an argument from me. Otherwise your argument about landing a large highly regarded class doesn't hold much weight. Here's hoping JT3 can alleviate the PG issue with Jon Mulmore and landing Chris Lykes.
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dense
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Post by dense on May 20, 2016 1:21:57 GMT -5
The concern over schollies is the cart way before the horse plus I doubt Walker pops anytime soon for anyone so I dont get why the concern over him taking 1.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 20, 2016 8:51:56 GMT -5
Why are you placing so many conditions on recruiting? Something that is inherently unpredictable? You're acting as if intent does not factor in. No wonder you're unhappy. We have open scholarships moving forward, nobody ready to pop and yet there's still an issue? Placing so many conditions on recruiting? Oh, my bad. Here I was all along thinking I was utilizing math. Forgive me for raining on your parade by actually injecting a realistic obstacle to this whole discussion. Now I've read some posts a page or so back about how we always have this conversation about making room for new players when we don't appear to have many openings; I've read remarks that such concerns over the years never end up coming true thus its pointless to bring them up. You want to know what other conversations that keep occurring on this site that almost never end up turning out as reality? All the talk about a big class of highly regarded and early targeted recruits actually signing with the Hoyas. Especially when there doesn't appear to be enough scholarships available to these recruits for the following year. And because they don't sign we don't ever have to worry about finding the scholarships for all of them. The end. We must have different definitions of realistic....my definition includes things that are actually likely to happen, not conjecture based off of a total lack of confidence.
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Post by EtomicB on May 20, 2016 9:24:09 GMT -5
With all due respect it has only worked out because we have missed out on most if not all of the top tier recruits folks here end up salivating over. Not for any other reason. But prove me wrong and show me one instance in which it worked out because of a number of transfers and/or dudes entering the NBA draft. And, no, I'm not talking about the Otto Porter or Greg Whittington scenarios because those were both guys whom III and his staff did not start to target until after the basketball season began and just maybe they were getting a more clear picture of who would be around the following season. I'm instead referring to the times we have had these conversations about top tier recruits the Hoyas were targeting in the spring and summer BEFORE the final high school season of those recruits. Does anyone have one example in which the team was able to bring in a good number of their early-targeted and most wanted targeted recruits despite at the time not having nearly enough slotted openings for those recruits? And as much as I get on III I respect the man's fairness and I don't see him as an irresponsible or shady coach who would accept the early signings of three or four stud players without having complete assurances that there will be scholarship room for them or the players that are already on the team apparently being recruited over. I don't think III can accept verbals and early signings despite being a few players over the cap and brushing it ff with a "it'll work itself out." I don't think that's his style. But maybe you guys disagree. Why are you placing so many conditions on recruiting? Something that is inherently unpredictable? You're acting as if intent does not factor in. No wonder you're unhappy. We have open scholarships moving forward, nobody ready to pop and yet there's still an issue? Where are theses open scholarships for 2017 Rock? I see 1 definite, where are the others?
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on May 20, 2016 9:42:17 GMT -5
While I think it could be a concern, I guess it really doesn't matter until the time when they get a few kids ready to commit. Hopefully it is a problem they have to deal with because that will mean they have a few recruits who want to commit.
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Post by BigmanU on May 20, 2016 9:45:28 GMT -5
I potentially see two open scholarships. That's enough.
Any more will work itself out
I grew up in a small town called Baltimore city, so what do I know?
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on May 20, 2016 10:00:42 GMT -5
I potentially see two open scholarships. That's enough. Any more will work itself out Where are the 2 Bigs?
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on May 20, 2016 10:26:21 GMT -5
I potentially see two open scholarships. That's enough. Any more will work itself out Where are the 2 Bigs? Govan, Agau, & Mourning is enough. After that, who really cares. Potentially one of the potentially two scholarships if needed
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Post by EtomicB on May 20, 2016 10:32:43 GMT -5
Govan, Agau, & Mourning is enough. After that, who really cares. Potentially one of the potentially two scholarships if needed Haha.. My bad on that previous post.. I was posing the ? to you when I used the word/name "Bigs".. My question to you is where are the 2 open slots you see for the 2017 class?
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 20, 2016 10:44:19 GMT -5
Why are you placing so many conditions on recruiting? Something that is inherently unpredictable? You're acting as if intent does not factor in. No wonder you're unhappy. We have open scholarships moving forward, nobody ready to pop and yet there's still an issue? Where are theses open scholarships for 2017 Rock? I see 1 definite, where are the others? Well we have one in 2017, and multiple after that....hence moving forward. Learn how to read. Matter of fact, if we don't have one more scholarship open up by the end of next season I promise to never post on this board again.
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Post by BigmanU on May 20, 2016 11:17:30 GMT -5
Govan, Agau, & Mourning is enough. After that, who really cares. Potentially one of the potentially two scholarships if needed Haha.. My bad on that previous post.. I was posing the ? to you when I used the word/name "Bigs".. My question to you is where are the 2 open slots you see for the 2017 class? The second, is the one that may or may not have been given up this year. Lets leave it at that. If you don't follow, I cant help. It already has been discussed ad nauseam.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on May 20, 2016 11:26:02 GMT -5
Where are theses open scholarships for 2017 Rock? I see 1 definite, where are the others? Well we have one in 2017, and multiple after that....hence moving forward. Learn how to read. Matter of fact, if we don't have one more scholarship open up by the end of next season I promise to never post on this board again. As usual you try to move the goalposts within a discussion to suit your view point.. However you did admit that there's only one available for2017 right now so I can shrug off your pettiness..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 20, 2016 11:44:09 GMT -5
4 1/2 months until tipoff. 6 weeks until Kenner.
Serenity Now. Serenity Now.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 20, 2016 12:40:49 GMT -5
Well we have one in 2017, and multiple after that....hence moving forward. Learn how to read. Matter of fact, if we don't have one more scholarship open up by the end of next season I promise to never post on this board again. As usual you try to move the goalposts within a discussion to suit your view point.. However you did admit that there's only one available for2017 right now so I can shrug off your pettiness.. Wait what? Lol I'm just staying true to what I originally said, you're trying to make my comment into something that it's not. I never said anything with regards to only 2017, you quack. Scholarship situations aren't solely dependent on the dynamics of one given year, if you can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you.....
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Post by hoyaboya on May 20, 2016 12:46:25 GMT -5
Back to Walker, with Massanutten being one of his potential landing places for postgrad, seems like new assistant coach Waheed stashed a DC-area kid there a few years ago that eventually played for him at BC - Garland Owens. So likely an existing relationship between Waheed and Massanutten.
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Post by EtomicB on May 20, 2016 13:16:54 GMT -5
As usual you try to move the goalposts within a discussion to suit your view point.. However you did admit that there's only one available for2017 right now so I can shrug off your pettiness.. Wait what? Lol I'm just staying true to what I originally said, you're trying to make my comment into something that it's not. I never said anything with regards to only 2017, you quack. Scholarship situations aren't solely dependent on the dynamics of one given year, if you can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you..... Ok, Rock
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Post by rockhoya on May 20, 2016 13:26:07 GMT -5
Wait what? Lol I'm just staying true to what I originally said, you're trying to make my comment into something that it's not. I never said anything with regards to only 2017, you quack. Scholarship situations aren't solely dependent on the dynamics of one given year, if you can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you..... Ok, Rock Ok, etomic...if you have nothing intelligent to say try not to clutter up threads next time.
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Post by SirSaxa on May 20, 2016 13:34:58 GMT -5
Three players on the 2016/17 roster will be in their final year of eligibility at GU 1. Cameron -- graduating senior 2. Pryor -- fifth year eligible senior 3. Hayes -- Red shirt eligible senior
We have ONE committed player coming in - Foster. That leaves 2 open schollies if nothing else happens.
That said, there are two additional facts to take into consideration. 1. Foster is only a verbal at this point. He could change his mind. It happens. He is not allowed to sign until the early signing period of his senior year - sometime in November, 2016. No recruits in the country are allowed to sign until the early signing period of their senior year.
2. When it was announced that HAYES would return, we already had a full roster of 13 scholarship players. No announcement was made then or since about who would be giving up their scholarship next season to make room for Bradley. I have no idea who it might be, but I bet the staff does. Somehow, a schollie will be opened and will be filled by Hayes - for one year. At the end of next season, Hayes will have completely used up any possible eligibility and will depart, thereby freeing up the "mystery" schollie that must open between now and when school starts in the fall.
So... once again... barring any unforseen developments, we will have 3 schollies open after next season, and one of those three has already been committed.
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