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Post by coachwojo on Feb 27, 2016 13:55:30 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 27, 2016 14:41:20 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything. Because some people here are idiots. The Big East isn't a mid major.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 27, 2016 15:13:43 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything. Because we are unexpectedly having a horrific and painful year and everyone is lashing out at everyone and everything.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 27, 2016 15:40:09 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything. Thus far in 2 years of competing in the NCAA's, the New Big East results: 2014 NCAA's Xavier Creighton Villanova Providence Teams go a combined 2-4, no one reaches a Sweet 16 2015 NCAA's Georgetown Villanova Butler Xavier St. John's Teams go a combined 5-6, only Butler reaches a Sweet 16 Overall combined NCAA record, 7-10 in 2 years
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Post by coachwojo on Feb 27, 2016 16:18:46 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything. Thus far in 2 years of competing in the NCAA's, the New Big East results: 2014 NCAA's Xavier Creighton Villanova Providence Teams go a combined 2-4, no one reaches a Sweet 16 2015 NCAA's Georgetown Villanova Butler Xavier St. John's Teams go a combined 5-6, only Butler reaches a Sweet 16 Overall combined NCAA record, 7-10 in 2 years OK, but those aren't mid major results. Anything can happen in the NCAA tournament. Duke losing in the first round, Syracuse, etc, etc. Big Ten has had years where only 3 teams even got invited.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 27, 2016 17:11:01 GMT -5
We have to honestly look at how the sports media constantly talks about the power 5 conferences. Anything outside of P5 namesake can be looked at as a mid-major, it seems that's the harsh reality though.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 27, 2016 17:39:21 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything. As a long time lurker, I'm sure by now you've picked up on which jackasses here are rarely, if ever, taken seriously. The references to a mid-major conference are generally made by these aforementioned jackasses. EDIT: Ha! Jackass is allowed
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 27, 2016 19:18:41 GMT -5
We have to honestly look at how the sports media constantly talks about the power 5 conferences. Anything outside of P5 namesake can be looked at as a mid-major, it seems that's the harsh reality though. They do this because of football. The reality is that the Big East is not a mid-major, in the sense that the teams perform well above those from mid-major conferences. However, unlike the football conferences, they don't get as much attention and generally less media money because they don't have football as a revenue generator. In a world where football did not exist, the Big East would certainly not be a "mid-major," especially when you consider that there have been recent years where the PAC 10/12 hasn't been that great even though it's still considered a major conference. The only reason it's even in question is because of football. Granted, the Fox Sports contract is key to this because it gives the conference a national presence. If we had the worst time slots on ESPN (see the AAC) instead, I think it would be a different story.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 27, 2016 19:19:55 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything. Thus far in 2 years of competing in the NCAA's, the New Big East results: 2014 NCAA's Xavier Creighton Villanova Providence Teams go a combined 2-4, no one reaches a Sweet 16 2015 NCAA's Georgetown Villanova Butler Xavier St. John's Teams go a combined 5-6, only Butler reaches a Sweet 16 Overall combined NCAA record, 7-10 in 2 years Mid-major conferences do not get 10 teams into the NCAA tournament in a 2 year timespan. That alone differentiates the new Big East. And, when you consider that 10 teams in 2 years is 50% of the conference, it's even more telling.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 27, 2016 19:38:16 GMT -5
Thus far in 2 years of competing in the NCAA's, the New Big East results: 2014 NCAA's Xavier Creighton Villanova Providence Teams go a combined 2-4, no one reaches a Sweet 16 2015 NCAA's Georgetown Villanova Butler Xavier St. John's Teams go a combined 5-6, only Butler reaches a Sweet 16 Overall combined NCAA record, 7-10 in 2 years OK, but those aren't mid major results. Anything can happen in the NCAA tournament. Duke losing in the first round, Syracuse, etc, etc. Big Ten has had years where only 3 teams even got invited. You asked: "Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why?", And I gave an explanation... There are plenty of posters on this board that will give the same answers you just gave. My question for you is why ask the question if you are gonna give a rebuttle... Did you want a answer or did you want to debate the subject?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 27, 2016 19:47:21 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything. Thus far in 2 years of competing in the NCAA's, the New Big East results: 2014 NCAA's Xavier Creighton Villanova Providence Teams go a combined 2-4, no one reaches a Sweet 16 2015 NCAA's Georgetown Villanova Butler Xavier St. John's Teams go a combined 5-6, only Butler reaches a Sweet 16 Overall combined NCAA record, 7-10 in 2 years Considering that every single year, 67 of the 68 teams that make the tournament suffer a loss, looking at overall record is an incredibly flawed way to determine conference status. If Major Conference A gets 8 teams in, and none win the tournament, they will suffer 8 losses. Maybe only 3 of them win first round games and only 1 of them make the Sweet 16 and loses. Their overall record is 4-8. Let's say Mid-Major Conference B gets 2 teams. One loses in the first round and the other makes a Cinderella run to the Final 4. Their record is 4-2. So by your logic, the conclusion could be drawn that MMCB was more successful than MCA, when in reality, that is clearly false.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 27, 2016 20:12:51 GMT -5
We have to honestly look at how the sports media constantly talks about the power 5 conferences. Anything outside of P5 namesake can be looked at as a mid-major, it seems that's the harsh reality though. They do this because of football. The reality is that the Big East is not a mid-major, in the sense that the teams perform well above those from mid-major conferences. However, unlike the football conferences, they don't get as much attention and generally less media money because they don't have football as a revenue generator. In a world where football did not exist, the Big East would certainly not be a "mid-major," especially when you consider that there have been recent years where the PAC 10/12 hasn't been that great even though it's still considered a major conference. The only reason it's even in question is because of football. Granted, the Fox Sports contract is key to this because it gives the conference a national presence. If we had the worst time slots on ESPN (see the AAC) instead, I think it would be a different story. The push was successful by those who wanted to keep football as the money maker. I wished that the BE would've had the forward thinking process on deck, one can only imagine if Penn State would've jumped to the BE from the independent. From what I remember reading was the Pitt balked at it due to recruiting ties being over-taken by Penn State, also look at how ND pretty much played the BE in football. The sad part is that we can only further speculate what could have been if the BE would've taken a stronger stance in football, and had expanded their horizons.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 27, 2016 22:18:10 GMT -5
Quick question for you guys. I've been a lurker for a long time, obviously a Marquette fan. I have read consistently here that the Big East is listed as a midmajor conference. Why? It is the 4th rated conference, ahead of the Big Ten, SEC. It is not as good as the old Big East, but why the extreme of calling it a mid major. More of a curiosity than anything. Thus far in 2 years of competing in the NCAA's, the New Big East results: 2014 NCAA's Xavier Creighton Villanova Providence Teams go a combined 2-4, no one reaches a Sweet 16 2015 NCAA's Georgetown Villanova Butler Xavier St. John's Teams go a combined 5-6, only Butler reaches a Sweet 16 Overall combined NCAA record, 7-10 in 2 years Not that it makes much difference for the sake of this discussion, but Xavier made the Sweet 16, not Butler.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 28, 2016 10:23:58 GMT -5
No one said that TJI's answer had to be right, but it is the reason. Like it or not, people like Doug Gottleib will berate Nova and Xavier as the 4th best teams in the ACC or B12 until they prove him wrong. Proving them wrong means winning in the tourney.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 28, 2016 10:25:18 GMT -5
They do this because of football. The reality is that the Big East is not a mid-major, in the sense that the teams perform well above those from mid-major conferences. However, unlike the football conferences, they don't get as much attention and generally less media money because they don't have football as a revenue generator. In a world where football did not exist, the Big East would certainly not be a "mid-major," especially when you consider that there have been recent years where the PAC 10/12 hasn't been that great even though it's still considered a major conference. The only reason it's even in question is because of football. Granted, the Fox Sports contract is key to this because it gives the conference a national presence. If we had the worst time slots on ESPN (see the AAC) instead, I think it would be a different story. The push was successful by those who wanted to keep football as the money maker. I wished that the BE would've had the forward thinking process on deck, one can only imagine if Penn State would've jumped to the BE from the independent. From what I remember reading was the Pitt balked at it due to recruiting ties being over-taken by Penn State, also look at how ND pretty much played the BE in football. The sad part is that we can only further speculate what could have been if the BE would've taken a stronger stance in football, and had expanded their horizons. Yeah, the sad part is the BE could have still easily been a good football conference. Even now, they could have made it work with the right few teams.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 28, 2016 11:57:51 GMT -5
The push was successful by those who wanted to keep football as the money maker. I wished that the BE would've had the forward thinking process on deck, one can only imagine if Penn State would've jumped to the BE from the independent. From what I remember reading was the Pitt balked at it due to recruiting ties being over-taken by Penn State, also look at how ND pretty much played the BE in football. The sad part is that we can only further speculate what could have been if the BE would've taken a stronger stance in football, and had expanded their horizons. Yeah, the sad part is the BE could have still easily been a good football conference. Even now, they could have made it work with the right few teams. P Huh? Have you been reading about what the big football colleges are doing? Do you think BE football schools would ever have committed to spending the money it would take to match the facilities being built by these football colleges? Not to mention the academic "compromises" it would take. No way BC or Pitt or Cincinnati or even Louisville would ever be able to compete against these big state schools.
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 28, 2016 13:08:24 GMT -5
Yeah, the sad part is the BE could have still easily been a good football conference. Even now, they could have made it work with the right few teams. P Huh? Have you been reading about what the big football colleges are doing? Do you think BE football schools would ever have committed to spending the money it would take to match the facilities being built by these football colleges? Not to mention the academic "compromises" it would take. No way BC or Pitt or Cincinnati or even Louisville would ever be able to compete against these big state schools. He's saying it's possible, not that he expects them to. With the right balance of teams it could've been a more lucrative endeavor, but alas.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 28, 2016 13:15:40 GMT -5
Yeah, the sad part is the BE could have still easily been a good football conference. Even now, they could have made it work with the right few teams. P Huh? Have you been reading about what the big football colleges are doing? Do you think BE football schools would ever have committed to spending the money it would take to match the facilities being built by these football colleges? Not to mention the academic "compromises" it would take. No way BC or Pitt or Cincinnati or even Louisville would ever be able to compete against these big state schools. They all did.And last I checked, Pitt was a big state school. So is Louisville. And Cincinnati.
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Post by coachwojo on Feb 28, 2016 13:33:04 GMT -5
We have to honestly look at how the sports media constantly talks about the power 5 conferences. Anything outside of P5 namesake can be looked at as a mid-major, it seems that's the harsh reality though. The sports media for basketball doesn't talk about it that way. They consider 6 major conferences, including the Big East. Let's not confuse basketball with football.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 14:23:51 GMT -5
The Big East had a winning record against the P5 football conferences last year and is 26-18 versus them so far this year. Half the conference should make the NCAA tournament this year (Villanova, Xavier, Seton Hall, Providence and Butler). The conference does need deeper runs in the tournament though.
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