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Post by EtomicB on Jan 3, 2016 2:05:03 GMT -5
I don't think that this board has been critical of Govan at all. If it has, I've missed those postings. If anything, I think the initial belief was that Govan would get more minutes than Hayes, and Hayes has been a big positive surprise (which, until today, has helped to minimize available minutes for Govan). I don't think he's getting enough respect for what he's doing as posters are holding back on what we are seeing. If we had Hayes out there playing against the bigs on Marquette down the stretch I don't think he fares as well. I think our coach saw what he was bringing. Played 6 less minutes than Hayes but had 1 more rebound, 2 more blocks and 3 more points. I haven't & I won't knock Jessie and he definitely has more upside than Hayes but the key is he hasn't out played Hayes in anyway this season.. The coach is right to play his most productive players.. |
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Post by kchoya on Jan 3, 2016 2:33:21 GMT -5
Total clown show - DSR is a no-show and Cope has regressed by miles. I'm sorry, but 3 has no clue. This should have been a 30 point win. A no show? He had 15-8-4. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 3:43:55 GMT -5
Pace pace pace.... once our pace on offense slowed our struggles started.... Without a doubt. We look like two totally different teams when we look to run versus look to slow it down. Loved the way we pushed the tempo and got into the paint in the first half. Some of the most enjoyable Hoya basketball I've seen in a long time. Hope it becomes a trend While I agree I should have been more specific, I was speaking of our Half court offense. Getting into our sets quicker, being aggresive early in the shot clock, quick passing, ball wasn't sticking, guys cutting hard etc... Pretty basketball It started against Depaul but today it was even quicker in the first half |
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Post by kchoya on Jan 3, 2016 4:57:56 GMT -5
DSR clearly bitten by a zombie in offseason. Not even close to the same player. Appears totally uninterested. Weird. 15 points and 8 assists seems pretty interested to me. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 3, 2016 5:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 3, 2016 7:25:01 GMT -5
I don't think he's getting enough respect for what he's doing as posters are holding back on what we are seeing. If we had Hayes out there playing against the bigs on Marquette down the stretch I don't think he fares as well. I think our coach saw what he was bringing. Played 6 less minutes than Hayes but had 1 more rebound, 2 more blocks and 3 more points. I haven't & I won't knock Jessie and he definitely has more upside than Hayes but the key is he hasn't out played Hayes in anyway this season.. The coach is right to play his most productive players.. I think the coach has done a really good job with his centers this year -- Hayes is dramatically improved and is giving quality minutes this year, and deserves his starting role. Meanwhile, that is allowing Jessie to work out the kinks in his game and catch up to the quicker pace without being overburdened with responsibility, and he seems to be responding well to that. He has plenty to work on, but against a very good frontline in Marquette, both his rebounding position and defense were much better than earlier in the season, and he seems to be getting more confidence on offense. If this continues, we are going to have two strong weapons at the 5, who are different enough that they can be deployed different ways against different teams and depending on matchup. I like it. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 3, 2016 10:20:07 GMT -5
Random thoughts (Disclaimer: I haven't read all 17 pages here)
For those bashing DSR, I don't blame you. It must be tough to accurately assess his performance when you've got your heads up your asses. Dude was the definition of floor general yesterday. No, he's not the assassin DSR of sophomore year anymore - and he probably never will be - but dude put up 15, 8, 4 with only 1 TO and buried huge shots and FTs in crunch time. I'm not sure he could have played any better yesterday, at least offensively.
LJ was pretty good. Too many TOs but the move to the bench may be the spark he needed. He looked engaged and energetic on both ends.
Copeland apparently got attacked by the Monstars at halftime. He was absolutely abysmal in the second half after a pretty good first half. 5 TOs is just unacceptable. He has a long way to go to fulfill his potential. I hope he's putting in the work to get there.
Marquette deserves a little credit for marginally better D in the second half, but our offense just completely stalled for most the half. The first half was a thing of beauty. Movement, passing, transition, hard cuts. Second half was sloppy to say the least. Play like we did in the first half for 40 minutes and we'll continue to right the ship.
I am very impressed with this year's freshman class so far, maybe even more so than last year. None of them lack for confidence and they've all made positive contributions. Govan is improving every game, Derrickson has been ready to go since day 1, and Kaleb brings D and athleticism off the bench. How impressive was that sequence in the first half where he crashes for a D board, sprints the floor, grabs the O board off Cameron's missed 3 and puts it back for 2 points. Kid is gonna be a player for sure. I wish he'd get more PT so he can build some confidence.
I understand we have limited backcourt options if JTIII wants Peak to come off the bench, but Tre Campbell just isn't very good right now. I know I've been bashing the kid for most of the season so far, but I just don't see much (if any) improvement from last year. He misses open looks, he's not a good passer, he struggles to finish his drives, and he's a very poor defender. I'd rather see Kaleb get some more minutes (maybe even a shot at the starting lineup) since he brings some things to the court that we're lacking.
I miss PW and his old man game. We could really use his passing and vision. I'm growing weary of watching Copeland throw entry passes out of bounds. The outlook doesn't look promising but if we can get him back at full strength at some point, it would be a huge addition.
Overall I feel like this team is starting to get back on the right track. @creighton is no gimme. Keep up the intensity and let's hope for 40 minutes like the first 20 yesterday.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 3, 2016 10:46:14 GMT -5
(Disclaimer: I haven't read all 17 pages here) That's a savvy veteran move. Just be prepared for some posters to call you a zombie and a clown show. |
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Jan 3, 2016 11:06:28 GMT -5
DSR's 158 ORtg versus Marquette was one of his best of his career versus a Big East opponent. During his freshman year, his 16-point, 6-rebound, 4-assist performance, 2-turnover performance in a road loss to South Florida was also a 158. His highest oRtg in the Big East was 172 versus Providence during his sophomore year. In that game, he scored 22 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 turnover.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 3, 2016 11:12:17 GMT -5
We look like a completely different team tonight. Agreed!! This is very enjoyable to watch.. JT3 is on to something with bringing LJ off the bench, it gives the team a big shot of energy.. I like the family-inspired adjustment (ducks)!!  |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 3, 2016 11:16:25 GMT -5
Govan put his arms up and Ellenson pushed his face into it, and then flopped. Sheesh Looks like the only reason Ellison is not a Dukie is because he wanted to play with his brother.  |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 3, 2016 11:17:57 GMT -5
That was not a good move by Govan. He retaliated. I like that Hayes and Govan have some MEANERY, but they have to be careful and smart. |
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Post by wnyhoya on Jan 3, 2016 11:18:06 GMT -5
Without a doubt. We look like two totally different teams when we look to run versus look to slow it down. Loved the way we pushed the tempo and got into the paint in the first half. Some of the most enjoyable Hoya basketball I've seen in a long time. Hope it becomes a trend While I agree I should have been more specific, I was speaking of our Half court offense. Getting into our sets quicker, being aggresive early in the shot clock, quick passing, ball wasn't sticking, guys cutting hard etc... Pretty basketball It started against Depaul but today it was even quicker in the first half Thanks for the clarification YaBoy, gotcha. I definitely agree with this sentiment. Also, think it bears mentioning that DSR in the past two games has not come down the floor once and pulled up for a 3 without a pass. Actually he hasn't really forced any 3's at all which obviously seems to be by design. I think it's really helped the offense get into a better flow. I do recall in a media availability he had maybe last week prior to DePaul how he talked about not coming down and taking a quick shot when we had a lead but rather run our stuff. That's the type of awareness I want to hear out of the leader of the team |
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 3, 2016 11:21:31 GMT -5
III has made some nice adjustments the last two games. LJ off the bench is working. The faster tempo in the first half produced some really nice offense.
The one thing that continues to infuriate me is that we cannot seem to play two consecutive games without a 7+ minute stretch of offensive futility. The offense for much of the second half yesterday was unwatchable. Fortunately, the defense and ORebs (mostly Kaleb's) bailed us out. But III needs to develop a Plan B, and C and D and E, to get us out of those offensive funks. I don't think we can bank on a Cameron 4-point play to end those nightmarish droughts.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 3, 2016 11:30:33 GMT -5
Play of the game: Cameron's three + foul. Georgetown might not have been able to put it away like this if it got below six. Glad to see it's GU on the other side of a 3-pt foul! |
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Post by drquigley on Jan 3, 2016 11:49:07 GMT -5
Posted this on the PW thread also: Anyone at the game last night notice if PW participated in pre-game or halftime warm ups?
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 3, 2016 11:50:35 GMT -5
Posted this on the PW thread also: Anyone at the game last night notice if PW participated in pre-game or halftime warm ups? He did not. |
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 3, 2016 12:48:16 GMT -5
Total clown show - DSR is a no-show and Cope has regressed by miles. I'm sorry, but 3 has no clue. This should have been a 30 point win. A no show? He had 15-8-4. Did you even watch the game? It seemed like watching the game that he totally disappeared in the second half while Marquette was making its run, and the play-by-play confirms that conclusively:
After collecting his 7th assist at the 14:16 mark to put the Hoyas up 57-43, DSR committed 1 TO, missed a shot and had one assist over the next 12:07, playing almost the entire time but largely spectating as Marquette turned a blowout into a 68-62 game. Yes, over the last 2:09 he woke up to score 12 of his 15 points to help them put the game away which was extremely impressive.
But is it too much to ask your senior captain to play closer to 40 minutes of basketball? And it's actually less about his stats than his leadership. This is hardly the first time the team has floundered around him for long stretches, and he seems either reticent or unwilling to take charge. He can't flip the switch over the last 2:09 and produce GU wins against the decent teams in the league, much less the good ones.
I understand you are a contrarian KC, but last night wasn't just savior/good DSR, it was the best and worst of DSR. The very fact that he is capable of scoring 12 points in 2:09 is an indictment begging the question, 'What the hell were you doing from a scoring perspective for the previous 38 minutes?"
This season comes down to Peak and DSR to me. We can be very good if those two play with leadership, fire and urgency. If they don't, we are going to significantly underachieve. IMO, DSR does not have the luxury of waiting for the game to come to him. He has to be more proactive from the tip for GU to be successful.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 3, 2016 13:23:29 GMT -5
A no show? He had 15-8-4. Did you even watch the game? It seemed like watching the game that he totally disappeared in the second half while Marquette was making its run, and the play-by-play confirms that conclusively:
After collecting his 7th assist at the 14:16 mark to put the Hoyas up 57-43, DSR committed 1 TO, missed a shot and had one assist over the next 12:07, playing almost the entire time but largely spectating as Marquette turned a blowout into a 68-62 game. Yes, over the last 2:09 he woke up to score 12 of his 15 points to help them put the game away which was extremely impressive.
But is it too much to ask your senior captain to play closer to 40 minutes of basketball? And it's actually less about his stats than his leadership. This is hardly the first time the team has floundered around him for long stretches, and he seems either reticent or unwilling to take charge. He can't flip the switch over the last 2:09 and produce GU wins against the decent teams in the league, much less the good ones.
I understand you are a contrarian KC, but last night wasn't just savior/good DSR, it was the best and worst of DSR. The very fact that he is capable of scoring 12 points in 2:09 is an indictment begging the question, 'What the hell were you doing from a scoring perspective for the previous 38 minutes?"
This season comes down to Peak and DSR to me. We can be very good if those two play with leadership, fire and urgency. If they don't, we are going to significantly underachieve. IMO, DSR does not have the luxury of waiting for the game to come to him. He has to be more proactive from the tip for GU to be successful.
Is it his fault that other guys were turning the ball over left and right? That other guys were missing shots left and right? Just because he committed a TO (his ONLY one of the game) and didn't accumulate many other meaningful stats in that time does not imply he was playing poorly and it was his fault they made a comeback. You wanna knock his defense? Fine. It hasn't been good this year. But very few on this team have played good D this year (though yesterday showed some signs of hope on that front). But offensively he was very, very good. While he was busy "waiting for the game to come to him" he was dishing out assists left and right and making it easier for everyone else to score. While he was "waiting for the game to come to him" we built a 19 point lead as every other guy on the floor got open looks and easy layups because DSR was driving and kicking/dumping successfully. It really just blows my mind that anyone could think he played poorly offensively yesterday. |
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Post by bearsandbulls on Jan 3, 2016 13:36:06 GMT -5
DSR plays a different role on this team as he has in the past. When the going got tough yesterday, he settled it down and put the game out of reach.
Seems like an awful lot of angst here for a very young team. Mistakes will be and are made. What you look for is a decrease in same. 2-0 is a very good start in the BE. You just need patience, and to bear in mind where this team will go with its youth. Better and better, I would assume. In the meantime we need a senior general to guide the youngsters.
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