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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 8, 2015 6:58:22 GMT -5
I was a little far away, so I may not have read his lips exactly, but I think JTIII told Jeff Anderson our frontcourt rotation was just too crowded for Bradley Hayes to get any meaningful rotation minutes his sophomore or junior seasons. Seemed a little harsh for a technical for me, but it's hard to capture the tone when you're reading lips. I may be wrong, but just before making that "T" sign, I read Anderson's lips to say: "You could have found 5 minutes per game for him, instead of that HopSmith." III should start every game with a T just for that time—I think it was two seasons ago?—that he played Caprio at center for significant minutes.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 8, 2015 9:32:29 GMT -5
Maybe I Just watched a different game or I see things radically different than most on the board. Despite the 30 plus halftime lead and the parade of fouls in the second half did anyone notice how Brown was able to attack of the dribble drive at will to the basket with wide open kickouts and defensive rotations that were not only slow but in the second half almost non existent. It's becoming clear that we will have a hard time guarding the dribble. When DSR, whose defensive skills are average at best, he appears to be the only one with a clue. I get very concerned. It's still only December but we seem to have a long way to go.
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Post by mapei on Dec 8, 2015 9:42:26 GMT -5
The second half was certainly sloppy and inept. Hard to watch. But given the opponent, the huge earlier lead and the short turnaround after Saturday, I'm willing to write it off as unlikely to be indicative of anything significant. We'll find out.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 8, 2015 9:45:21 GMT -5
Maybe I Just watched a different game or I see things radically different than most on the board. Despite the 30 plus halftime lead and the parade of fouls in the second half did anyone notice how Brown was able to attack of the dribble drive at will to the basket with wide open kickouts and defensive rotations that were not only slow but in the second half almost non existent. It's becoming clear that we will have a hard time guarding the dribble. When DSR, whose defensive skills are average at best, he appears to be the only one with a clue. I get very concerned. ts still only December but we seem to have a long way to go. Fair observation, but there are a couple of explanations besides just being unable to play defense against penetration. First the NCAA has created this problem for every team with the more strict calls on hand checks. Every team is penetrating. Second, the team is so young that inevitably the defense will lag initially. The perimeter players other than DSR and Tre are lanky and going to have a more difficult time guarding the shorter, quicker guards on the first step. Lastly, the interior players who should (and will) be able to slide over to defend the dribble drive, consist of two freshmen, one sophomore with virtually no experience (Trey),one sophomore who is playing more 3 than 4 this year (Ike), and a senior who essentially had never played before. I think that it will get better as the players learn to work together and provide some help side defense on the drive. Last night Brown guards came hard to the basket and when the post moved to pick up the driver, they dished to the person he just left. This is correctable but requires skills that a lot of young players just never get taught, particularly in AAU ball where defense is seldom emphasized.
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Dec 8, 2015 9:49:43 GMT -5
Maybe I Just watched a different game or I see things radically different than most on the board. Despite the 30 plus halftime lead and the parade of fouls in the second half did anyone notice how Brown was able to attack of the dribble drive at will to the basket with wide open kickouts and defensive rotations that were not only slow but in the second half almost non existent. It's becoming clear that we will have a hard time guarding the dribble. When DSR, whose defensive skills are average at best, he appears to be the only one with a clue. I get very concerned. ts still only December but we seem to have a long way to go. Fair observation, but there are a couple of explanations besides just being unable to play defense against penetration. First the NCAA has created this problem for every team with the more strict calls on hand checks. Every team is penetrating. Second, the team is so young that inevitably the defense will lag initially. The perimeter players other than DSR and Tre are lanky and going to have a more difficult time guarding the shorter, quicker guards on the first step. Lastly, the interior players who should (and will) be able to slide over to defend the dribble drive, consist of two freshmen, one sophomore with virtually no experience (Trey),one sophomore who is playing more 3 than 4 this year (Ike), and a senior who essentially had never played before. I think that it will get better as the players learn to work together and provide some help side defense on the drive. Last night Brown guards came hard to the basket and when the post moved to pick up the driver, they dished to the person he just left. This is correctable but requires skills that a lot of young players just never get taught, particularly in AAU ball where defense is seldom emphasized. I noticed that. For as much as Bradley has improved on offense, it isn't a good idea to feed players inside to him. With Roy feeding drivers into the middle of the lane yielded blocks. Bradley's footwork is still too slow and he has a tendency to leave his feet. Bradley is so improved that I feel bad criticizing his interior defense against smaller players, but really, if he could improve that (1) he'd stay out of foul trouble more and (2) our perimeter defense would look way better. He's 7 feet tall. At that height, defense isn't about jumping, its about positioning and getting your hands vertical.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 8, 2015 10:02:50 GMT -5
Maybe I Just watched a different game or I see things radically different than most on the board. Despite the 30 plus halftime lead and the parade of fouls in the second half did anyone notice how Brown was able to attack of the dribble drive at will to the basket with wide open kickouts and defensive rotations that were not only slow but in the second half almost non existent. It's becoming clear that we will have a hard time guarding the dribble. When DSR, whose defensive skills are average at best, he appears to be the only one with a clue. I get very concerned. It's still only December but we seem to have a long way to go. Yes. Brown missed about 15 wide open shots in the first half. My guess is that this is part of the reason III scheduled them. That actually ran a pretty good offense and it could have been a different game had they started a bit better. They scored 73 points against Providence and not just because of the blowout. It was 45-35 at half. That said, as I noted before, I think the intensity was good and we did make adjustments to stop them from getting looks in the 2nd half. Not to mention, we scored at will. The only reason it got closer was because the refs called it tight and by the 12 minute mark Brown was already in the double bonus. I also think we were about -20 with DSR on the bench.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 8, 2015 10:25:33 GMT -5
Yes. Brown missed about 15 wide open shots in the first half. My guess is that this is part of the reason III scheduled them. That actually ran a pretty good offense and it could have been a different game had they started a bit better. They scored 73 points against Providence and not just because of the blowout. It was 45-35 at half. That said, as I noted before, I think the intensity was good and we did make adjustments to stop them from getting looks in the 2nd half. Not to mention, we scored at will. The only reason it got closer was because the refs called it tight and by the 12 minute mark Brown was already in the double bonus. I also think we were about -20 with DSR on the bench. The refs called it tight on us, but not on Brown. I counted at least 6 obvious personal fouls committed by Brown (including a hip check that sent Kaleb to the floor on an open ball, a "ride on your back like you're Mike Sweetney" play under the band-side hoop, any number of Duke-esque things Spieth did, a blatant offensive player control foul, etc.) that went uncalled. Meanwhile, we get called for handchecking. Good to see another convincing win, but man the refs made it hard to watch the last 10 minutes. Great job by Bradley getting "hookers in the lane," making plays so much faster than he used to.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 8, 2015 10:27:56 GMT -5
Second Half Scoring:
Brown 42 Georgetown 28
That's not good. Don't blame the refs. JT3 has a lot to harp after that lackluster second half (not necessarily a bad thing, btw).
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Post by drquigley on Dec 8, 2015 10:49:56 GMT -5
First time I listened to a game on radio in 40 years. Really frustrating. I love Rich, he's great doing play by play. But bball is so fast that he has no time comment on overall team performance. For example, he didn't comment at all on whether Brown was missing all those shots because of our great D or their own poor shooting. Curse you Fox and Comcast!
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 8, 2015 10:59:11 GMT -5
Fair observation, but there are a couple of explanations besides just being unable to play defense against penetration. First the NCAA has created this problem for every team with the more strict calls on hand checks. Every team is penetrating. Second, the team is so young that inevitably the defense will lag initially. The perimeter players other than DSR and Tre are lanky and going to have a more difficult time guarding the shorter, quicker guards on the first step. Lastly, the interior players who should (and will) be able to slide over to defend the dribble drive, consist of two freshmen, one sophomore with virtually no experience (Trey),one sophomore who is playing more 3 than 4 this year (Ike), and a senior who essentially had never played before. I think that it will get better as the players learn to work together and provide some help side defense on the drive. Last night Brown guards came hard to the basket and when the post moved to pick up the driver, they dished to the person he just left. This is correctable but requires skills that a lot of young players just never get taught, particularly in AAU ball where defense is seldom emphasized. I noticed that. For as much as Bradley has improved on offense, it isn't a good idea to feed players inside to him. With Roy feeding drivers into the middle of the lane yielded blocks. Bradley's footwork is still too slow and he has a tendency to leave his feet. Bradley is so improved that I feel bad criticizing his interior defense against smaller players, but really, if he could improve that (1) he'd stay out of foul trouble more and (2) our perimeter defense would look way better. He's 7 feet tall. At that height, defense isn't about jumping, its about positioning and getting your hands vertical. Feed them into Doc.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 8, 2015 11:02:52 GMT -5
What?! Why?! At least no one can complain JT3 doesn't get Ts if he got one in the final few minutes of a blowout I was a little far away, so I may not have read his lips exactly, but I think JTIII told Jeff Anderson our frontcourt rotation was just too crowded for Bradley Hayes to get any meaningful rotation minutes his sophomore or junior seasons. Seemed a little harsh for a technical for me, but it's hard to capture the tone when you're reading lips. michaeldm is Jeff Anderson! michaeldm is Jeff Anderson!
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 8, 2015 11:04:13 GMT -5
Second Half Scoring: Brown 42 Georgetown 28 That's not good. Don't blame the refs. JT3 has a lot to harp after that lackluster second half (not necessarily a bad thing, btw). Brown 22/23 Georgetown 1/2 Free throws in the second half. Somebody check the offshore bank accounts for Eades, Luckie, and Anderson...cause they certainly seemed deadset on Georgetown not covering.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 8, 2015 11:48:18 GMT -5
Second Half Scoring: Brown 42 Georgetown 28 That's not good. Don't blame the refs. JT3 has a lot to harp after that lackluster second half (not necessarily a bad thing, btw). First half scoring: Brown 15 Georgetown 46 The second half was coaches playground. Obviously I'm not thrilled about being outscored by 14 but we got to work on different lineups, get some guys run that needed it, and had everyone come out of the game healthy. Definitely lots of coaching moments during and after the game in the second. More fouls were called also because the subs aren't as sharp on D as the starters and rotations are different with unknown lineups. That being said, it was not the most evenly called 2nd half.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 8, 2015 12:18:10 GMT -5
First half scoring: Brown 15 Georgetown 46 The second half was coaches playground. Obviously I'm not thrilled about being outscored by 14 but we got to work on different lineups, get some guys run that needed it, and had everyone come out of the game healthy. Definitely lots of coaching moments during and after the game in the second. More fouls were called also because the subs aren't as sharp on D as the starters and rotations are different with unknown lineups. That being said, it was not the most evenly called 2nd half. Brown shot 23.3% (7-30) in the first half and 33.3% (9-27) in the second half. Georgetown shot 56.7% (17-30) in the first half and 41.9% (13-31) in the second half.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 8, 2015 13:13:36 GMT -5
Not sure why people are defending our second half play. In response to the FT disparity, perhaps JT3 could talk with the players about fouling less on defense and having a better mix of jump shooting and aggressive drives to the hole where you might get fouled more often.
No coach is going to start practice this afternoon, "hey boys, let's just forget about that second half as the refs were out to get us." I think, in a constructive way, most coaches would complement the team's first half play, and then review problem areas in the second half that led us to be outscored 42-28 by Brown. Not good.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 8, 2015 13:20:59 GMT -5
"Defending" might be a bit strong, but the fact is, we were up 46-15, and got it up to 54-20, I believe. At that point, the game was over. I was at the game. Im pretty sure III planted DSR firmly on the bench at that point, and then played every player on the roster in several different lineups. Not surprisingly, we didnt play as well and fouled more. Meh. Some teams dont do this. They play 7-8 guys. We play 12. That's why they win 111-60. We just take a different approach. Im fine with it.
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Post by bmartin on Dec 8, 2015 13:32:45 GMT -5
The lead was 29 with 8 minutes to go and then JTIII went with Peak, Copeland, Govan, Derrickson, and Johnson and left them out there awhile together even though Peak, Derrickson, and Govan were getting frustrated with foul calls and non-foul calls. That lineup gave up an 13-4 Brown run with 8 of the points at the foul line. In a competitive game, he would have subbed them out, but I thought he was challenging them to play through it. Then in the last 3 minutes, Campbell, Cameron, White, Mourning, and Williams played out the end of the game and gave up more free throws. Brown won the last 8 minutes 21-9 with 14 of their points from the line.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 8, 2015 14:39:48 GMT -5
Not sure why people are defending our second half play. In response to the FT disparity, perhaps JT3 could talk with the players about fouling less on defense and having a better mix of jump shooting and aggressive drives to the hole where you might get fouled more often. No coach is going to start practice this afternoon, "hey boys, let's just forget about that second half as the refs were out to get us." I think, in a constructive way, most coaches would complement the team's first half play, and then review problem areas in the second half that led us to be outscored 42-28 by Brown. Not good. Nobody was defending the play, but your criticism lacked any nuance whatsoever. Plus, I don't think JTIII needs to say anything about the refs during practice since he collected, what, his third technical ever due to his in-game reaction to the officiating.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2015 14:43:59 GMT -5
Not sure why people are defending our second half play. In response to the FT disparity, perhaps JT3 could talk with the players about fouling less on defense and having a better mix of jump shooting and aggressive drives to the hole where you might get fouled more often. No coach is going to start practice this afternoon, "hey boys, let's just forget about that second half as the refs were out to get us." I think, in a constructive way, most coaches would complement the team's first half play, and then review problem areas in the second half that led us to be outscored 42-28 by Brown. Not good. After the game, JT3 mentioned the foul disparity and said maybe the refs were bored. He clearly was blaming the refs and rightfully so.
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Post by ahoya2 on Dec 8, 2015 15:58:52 GMT -5
Was at the game till the last 1;30. Yes, the game was over a the 8 minute mark but there were several disturbing things 1) our offense scared me with methodical movement around the perimeter to be followed by a long rushed three. Campbell had problems getting anyting started. 2) OUr defense was horrid and they earned those points with aggressive dribble drives. Lots of layups. Lots of fouls. 3) Losing focus. The refs were horrid n the second half. The one older guy was watching our bench more than the action, Still, you have to respond and adjust to a refs' calls. We got mad and didn't turn that frustration into better D or ball movement. Frankly we were badly outplayed for much of the second half.
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