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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:10:19 GMT -5
There are no moral victories. But there are certainly good things you can take out of defeats against good teams. And I thought there were a number of good things here.
The Good:
(1) Excellent job end of game. I'm usually a fan of not trying to get the early trap and trying to extend the game completely. And it's possible that those five to ten seconds we spent on a couple combined possessions cost us. But they did end up fouling a guy they thought had a better chance of missing, and they did take good quick shots on offense. When the other team makes 8-10 down the stretch, it's hard to make the strategy work, but we almost did.
(2) Ike, Kaleb, and LJ. I liked LJ's aggression. I loved Ike's overall game. And Kaleb was fearless.
(3) Rotational D. With the exception (and it's a big exception) of when Duke made that second run in the second half, I thought we did a nice job of helping and recovering. Overall, I didn't think the D was awful. There wasn't much to be done against Allen. He made a ton of contested shots both deep and inside, and we were certainly alert to him. We particularly did a good job against him once we went zone. You could see the communication.
The Bad:
(1) The Boards. Not much on the offensive glass at all, and I don't remember any (except Mourning's) that was of the "big boy offensive board" variety -- like the ones Duke got at the end. Those Duke boards were killers. Govan just isn't strong enough right now to keep an aggressive big away from the hoop.
(2) Stupid fouls and TOs. We didn't have a ton of turnovers, but a lot of them were unforced. And we continue to make stupid fouls at the beginning of games. It's worth noting that when we made our run to get back into late against their zone, two key baskets came off of Duke deflections.
(3) 1-3-1 zone offense. Boy, I thought we'd carve it up. Get it to the short corner, zip it inside and either make a short J or get an open 3. We did it a couple times early and just made a couple drops on passes or other execution mistakes. And it seemed to make us too tentative from there on. We also had a lot of trouble against their length up top. Never really solved it (and as noted, some of our best plays actually were near-turnovers).
(4) Trey's three. The less said about that the better.
Random:
(1) We actually shot a higher percentage from the line than they did. I know we missed a few biggies down the stretch, but we made a few biggies too.
(2) Allen was really good tonight. I know that sounds like Captain Obvious, but there were plenty of folks who thought he was overrated, etc.
(3) Awful end of game by Duke, although at least they made most FTs and didn't turn it over. But those fouls were terrible. And, frankly, even the D on the last play was unnecessarily risky. I don't think he fouled him, by the way, but why take the chance?
(4) It's simply not true that these are "just losses" at the end of the day and for seeding purposes. There's no sugar-coating Radford, but the bottom line is that we've lost three games by essentially one possession each, including a true road game against a top five team. If we can now win the ones we're supposed to (and I include Cuse in that list), we'll be in good shape entering the conference. Remember that the committee uses more than just RPI, and games like the last two help all the other computer numbers. I get that you want to win and not lose obviously. But I still think the development of our young players is more important at this stage.
We're going to be very good if we can get it together defensively because I think we have too many weapons on offense to not be good.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:10:54 GMT -5
As my posts throughout his career will show, I'm a big DSR fan. I have him breaking Austin Freeman's season-scoring record (17.6 pts.) under JT3. But, this is the fourth game of the season and he has yet to assert himself as the leader of the team in each game and the BE POY candidate. Again, today he had a quiet 14 pts. With the way the other players are playing and Tre and Paul coming back at some point, we need DSR to play like the preseason BE First Team player and we will be a Final Four team. We win every game so far this season if he plays as he is capable of. When I read his comment before the season started that there are enough guys on the team who could score and therefore he wanted to concentrate more on defense I wanted to throw up. Be the Man! Take over the games. Well maybe after 4 games it's time to rethink our expectations for individual players. DSR may simply not be the "guy" who can take over a game at will. He is and always has been a streaky player who has had very big moments when hot and is also capable of disappearing and losing confidence. I applaud the coach for pulling him down the stretch and going with the freshman and Peak. Perhaps it's best if people adjust their expectations for DSR. He has much to offer, but forcing himself to assume a role when his shot is off has not helped the team. Other thoughts: Hayes is a great story, but not going to be the next Henry Simms. He has bad hands and shows a lack of instincts in terms of positioning and knowing where to move when a play breaks down. He absolutely needs to play and provides size and a soft shot, but it should not come at the expense of the development of either Govan or Mourning. I think that his benching for most of the second half today reflects that the coach was aware of his limitations. Cameron has proven that he not only deserves minutes but belongs at the top end of the bench. His defense is much improved--more than I could have hoped for after last season. Govan is a stud, but needs to get stronger hands and focus on rebounding. Derrickson is talented but the preseason reviews were a bit premature. Still has much to learn and I notice that he tends to watch when not involved in the play. He needs to focus on rebounding as well. Peak is so athletic and has greatly improved his defense and ball skills, but his FTs and shooting in general need much work. He simply cannot afford to leave points at the FT line, particularly late in games. Kaleb is going to be a major asset and he crashes the boards like DSR does. Needs to keep practicing his shot and his FTs. Like Peak, he left points at the line. Ike has so much potential and flashes all the time, but like DSR there are stretches where you forget he is in the game. Should not happen if he wants to realize his potential. Mourning has energy and is fearless but really should be under the basket on offense and not trolling around the perimeter. Unfortunately, in a two point loss you can only wonder what happens had the "blind" official under the basket actually seen the ball deflected out of bounds by Duke instead of assuming it went off of Mourning's leg.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 22, 2015 16:17:26 GMT -5
I don't understand all the DSR comments. He isn't playing well but no reason to act like he is playing a different role than he played last year. Actually, with other the other options, he actually has less pressure on him. He seems to frequently start seasons off slowly and pick it up towards mid-December. I'm not worried... just annoyed. The schedule was frontloaded and we are unlucky with injuries/health at the moment.
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Post by TC on Nov 22, 2015 16:24:51 GMT -5
We are the best 1-3 team in college basketball history That and 2 bucks will get you a cup of coffee. ..and a top 10 RPI at the end of the season.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 22, 2015 16:26:19 GMT -5
DSR may simply not be the "guy" who can take over a game at will. Is that what people expecting? No wonder you are all disappointed. I could have told you that wasn't going to happen. There's precious few players in basketball who can take over a game at will, and DSR is shorter and not as athletic as them. He's a highly skilled player who is very efficient, a very good shooter, has developed a sneaky dribble drive game and is a much better distributor than anyone gives him credit for ... but he's never been, isn't and never will be a player who can score and create at will without any assistance. Anyone who thought he was going to get there is crazy. That level of dominations almost always requires physical dominance. DSR doesn't and will never have that. But people are also acting like he's playing poorly right now, and he's really not. He's just not shooting all that well. Six more assists today no one will ever mention except me.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:32:22 GMT -5
DSR may simply not be the "guy" who can take over a game at will. Is that what people expecting? No wonder you are all disappointed. I could have told you that wasn't going to happen. There's precious few players in basketball who can take over a game at will, and DSR is shorter and not as athletic as them. He's a highly skilled player who is very efficient, a very good shooter, has developed a sneaky dribble drive game and is a much better distributor than anyone gives him credit for ... but he's never been, isn't and never will be a player who can score and create at will without any assistance. Anyone who thought he was going to get there is crazy. That level of dominations almost always requires physical dominance. DSR doesn't and will never have that. But people are also acting like he's playing poorly right now, and he's really not. He's just not shooting all that well. Six more assists today no one will ever mention except me. I completely agree and was trying to make that point about DSR. He is a valuable complement to the team, but I think the repeated comments that he needs to take over and assert himself are unrealistic. He is actually worse when he is pressing and forcing shots.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:32:51 GMT -5
DSR may simply not be the "guy" who can take over a game at will. Is that what people expecting? No wonder you are all disappointed. I could have told you that wasn't going to happen. There's precious few players in basketball who can take over a game at will, and DSR is shorter and not as athletic as them. He's a highly skilled player who is very efficient, a very good shooter, has developed a sneaky dribble drive game and is a much better distributor than anyone gives him credit for ... but he's never been, isn't and never will be a player who can score and create at will without any assistance. Anyone who thought he was going to get there is crazy. That level of dominations almost always requires physical dominance. DSR doesn't and will never have that. But people are also acting like he's playing poorly right now, and he's really not. He's just not shooting all that well. Six more assists today no one will ever mention except me. They simply think that you can press a button and will yourself to score 30 even if defended tightly by a guy with a 7-3 wingspan at the top of the 1-3-1 or double teamed. The only guys who can really score at will are guys like 6-4 Grayson Allen who has long arms (6-6.5 winspan) plus a 39 inch vertical plus good handles and a great 3pt shot or Copeland (but for some reason Copeland doesn't do it for 40 minutes yet) that can basically elevate and have a wide open shot everytime they shoot even if tightly defended.
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Post by joey0403p on Nov 22, 2015 16:33:40 GMT -5
Can I just say I hate these new rules.
Thought the refs let plumlee get away with two fouls that would have been his 5th.
The ball off morning could have been a foul as I'm pretty sure he got hit in the face, but def wasn't off mornings knee.
That said, you could probably find a few calls that went our way too. Which is why I'll just say I hate the new rules. (We didn't get the calls on our cutters today btw)
The big run in th second half killed us and then rebounding and fts.
Simple.
If we continue to play like this though. We will be fine.
I don't think it's a gaurentee that we continue to play like this though, unfortunately.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:35:43 GMT -5
Can I just say I hate these new rules. Thought the refs let plumlee get away with two fouls that would have been his 5th. The ball off morning could have been a foul as I'm pretty sure he got hit in the face, but def wasn't off mornings knee. That said, you could probably find a few calls that went our way too. Which is why I'll just say I hate the new rules. (We didn't get the calls on our cutters today btw) The big run in th second half killed us and then rebounding and fts. Simple. If we continue to play like this though. We will be fine. I don't think it's a gaurentee that we continue to play like this though, unfortunately. The cheapshot by Grayson Allen on LJ Peak should have been a tech. Very dangerous, sneaky play that could have hurt LJ severely.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 22, 2015 16:36:31 GMT -5
Is that what people expecting? No wonder you are all disappointed. I could have told you that wasn't going to happen. There's precious few players in basketball who can take over a game at will, and DSR is shorter and not as athletic as them. He's a highly skilled player who is very efficient, a very good shooter, has developed a sneaky dribble drive game and is a much better distributor than anyone gives him credit for ... but he's never been, isn't and never will be a player who can score and create at will without any assistance. Anyone who thought he was going to get there is crazy. That level of dominations almost always requires physical dominance. DSR doesn't and will never have that. But people are also acting like he's playing poorly right now, and he's really not. He's just not shooting all that well. Six more assists today no one will ever mention except me. I completely agree and was trying to make that point about DSR. He is a valuable complement to the team, but I think the repeated comments that he needs to take over and assert himself are unrealistic. He is actually worse when he is pressing and forcing shots. I think he can be more aggressive, for sure, and I'd love for him to make a few more shots, but we have a slew of offensive options ... ride the hot hands. The idea that it would be smart to run isolation after isolation for DSR is silly.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 22, 2015 16:38:03 GMT -5
I completely agree and was trying to make that point about DSR. He is a valuable complement to the team, but I think the repeated comments that he needs to take over and assert himself are unrealistic. He is actually worse when he is pressing and forcing shots. I think he can be more aggressive, for sure, and I'd love for him to make a few more shots, but we have a slew of offensive options ... ride the hot hands. The idea that it would be smart to run isolation after isolation for DSR is silly. Does need to start hitting his open shots though. He's not playing poorly but he can definitely play better.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:39:15 GMT -5
Duke seems to "missing" something; ripe for the Hoyas to take a tough win. But they MUST communicate on defense. So far, also, this team hasn't been shooting it particularly well. GU also seems to be missing something - hopefully it's Paul White, but I'd bet it has to do with the guards...GU needs someone (or two) to step up and be a STUD. At least for THIS team as it's assembled. Do you mean Duke isn't shooting all that well? Because Georgetown has shot pretty well. I mean't GU.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:41:43 GMT -5
...Remember what I said about Cameron....
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 22, 2015 16:43:21 GMT -5
I think he can be more aggressive, for sure, and I'd love for him to make a few more shots, but we have a slew of offensive options ... ride the hot hands. The idea that it would be smart to run isolation after isolation for DSR is silly. Does need to start hitting his open shots though. He's not playing poorly but he can definitely play better. Yes, but people act like making a shot is merely a matter of effort or decision.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 22, 2015 16:45:00 GMT -5
Do you mean Duke isn't shooting all that well? Because Georgetown has shot pretty well. I mean't GU. On the season we are shooting 54% from 2, 41% from 3 and 77% from the line. If that's not shooting well, you have too high of expectations, especially since we have played 2 Top 5 teams and Wisconsin.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 22, 2015 16:46:24 GMT -5
Does need to start hitting his open shots though. He's not playing poorly but he can definitely play better. Yes, but people act like making a shot is merely a matter of effort or decision. Hey, I agree. Unless you expected DSR to be a Curry like player this year, there is no reason to lower expectations for him. We are four games into this season and have watched him for 3 years. We know what he can do when he gets going.
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Post by jester on Nov 22, 2015 16:46:44 GMT -5
Another game that just ended at the wrong moment for the hoyas. After watching last several years, it it bad that I like losing these games over winning some unwatchable games circa Otto porter? Just as a basketball fan these games have been so intriguing...the amount if minutes our freshmen and sophomores have needed to play the first game and then three top 25 teams is amazing...it just seems at times we have 20 guys willing to jump in and play with good energy and execution.
DSR - still looks indecisive out there.and just not gonna get to create his shot when he wants to. I think both coach and him realize on this team he won't need to take over, if they move the ball everyone is a threat (compared to the lubick, Bowen, Hopkins years). He's gonna get a lot of good looks when we get aggressive, he's just sometimes driving and not able to find teammates just yet...things will open up.
Have a feeling Kaleb sees more minutes especially at expense if tre...just need to give him a bit of time to develop so we have options at guard.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:49:49 GMT -5
1. Grayson will be figured out. 2. GU's defense will get better and better. 3. GU played the game more conducive to the types of players they have. 4. Mourning will be another Sims / Hayes but quicker. 5. GU is a top-25 team. 6. The big men have been open a lot but the guards / small forwards seem to want to take shots or don't fully trust. 7. as i said Hayes has to stop trying to guard smaller players out of his area - then he'll be 2nd or 3rd team all-BE 8. GU will be difficult for teams later.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 22, 2015 16:50:06 GMT -5
On the season we are shooting 54% from 2, 41% from 3 and 77% from the line. If that's not shooting well, you have too high of expectations, especially since we have played 2 Top 5 teams and Wisconsin. Let me clarify. Not shooting well at KEY stretches. So it appears they aren't shooting as well as they are. And that's what's key: timing. Better?
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 22, 2015 16:51:49 GMT -5
After tons and tons of opportunities, I feel like we've been waiting since last season for him to put it together and I can't say that he has. What are you people expecting? If you think this game was lost on offense, you're absolutely crazy. I wouldn't say it was lost on offense, but as a rule you win the game if you score more points than your opponent so yes, having DSR play at his best would likely have won all 3 of the games we lost, no matter how poor our defense was. Especially considering the margins that we've lost by. This is a guy who we all know can go for 30 and hit an array of shots, he seems to do that better off the ball than when he has to facilitate the offense. What's wrong with wanting to put the guy in a better position to succeed? He's not a BE POY playing the way he is, he's just another guy on the squad. We need the BE POY. Look at Grayson Allen. He virtually disappears when forced to play the point. That's why Coach K had to go with the freshman pg. Play him off the ball and he excels.
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