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Post by prhoya on Nov 22, 2015 15:31:17 GMT -5
As my posts throughout his career will show, I'm a big DSR fan. I have him breaking Austin Freeman's season-scoring record (17.6 pts.) under JT3. But, this is the fourth game of the season and he has yet to assert himself as the leader of the team in each game and the BE POY candidate. Again, today he had a quiet 14 pts.
With the way the other players are playing and Tre and Paul coming back at some point, we need DSR to play like the preseason BE First Team player and we will be a Final Four team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:36:21 GMT -5
LJ did a really great job driving the lane but DAMN free throws! Kid needs to be in the gym every morning working on that. He played really good at first, really bad in the middle, and great late (Minus the freethrows) Kid needs to keep attacking. I don't care how he looks in November. I care how he looks in Feb and beyond. For the first time he found a drive and kick game when they compressed. He's never played in this sudo PG role so it's going to take time, but an athletic 6'5 kid attacking the basket that can finish with both hands is going to be tough to contain. Definitely a work in progress but it will make us so much more dangerous if he can keep developing in that role. Would like to see the staff stressing when you can't get to all the way to the basket jumpstop and look for the kick. You've already done your job by getting 2 feet in the lane. Take your time and find the opening. These things really only come from experience and feel though so it will take time
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 22, 2015 15:37:00 GMT -5
As my posts throughout his career will show, I'm a big DSR fan. I have him breaking Austin Freeman's season-scoring record (17.6 pts.) under JT3. But, this is the fourth game of the season and he has yet to assert himself as the leader of the team in each game and the BE POY candidate. Again, today he had a quiet 14 pts. With the way the other players are playing and Tre and Paul coming back at some point, we need DSR to play like the preseason BE First Team player and we will be a Final Four team. We win every game so far this season if he plays as he is capable of. When I read his comment before the season started that there are enough guys on the team who could score and therefore he wanted to concentrate more on defense I wanted to throw up. Be the Man! Take over the games.
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Post by mannyalexander on Nov 22, 2015 15:36:44 GMT -5
I am also encouraged, optimistic and excited for the potential of this team the remainder of the year. But if your goal is to make and succeed in the NCAA Tournament, then we have to accept the fact that we are 1-3, with one really bad loss and 1 win that is going to look very pedestrian in March IMO. The two near misses against really good teams will mean zero. These two were enormous missed opportunities and leave very little room for error on 12/5 and during conference season. Again, really excited for the season but a bit down about 1-3. This is exactly where I'm at as well. Yeah it's great that we played well against Maryland and Duke because that definitely gives this team an optimistic hue, but at the end of the day it's W's and L's that matter and we're currently behind the 8ball right now. There's a lot of reasons to be optimistic, no doubt, but we've got work to do and the margin for error is razor thin at this point.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 22, 2015 15:38:40 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:
1. Issac Copeland had a good game leading all Hoyas scorers 21 pts, 7/14 FG's ,6 Rebs, 1 Asst, 1 Stl, o TO's
2. Gtown did a good job of grabbing a 5pt. lead in the 1st half, but the lead quickly evaporated as Grayson Allen was able to score at a tremendous rate
3. Gtown shot over 50% from the floor 54.9% , 19/24 FT's 79.2%, 16 Assts vs 12 TO's All good numbers, but the Hoyas still fall short
Grade: C
The Hoyas did an excellent job extending the game at the end...cannot complain about that. The Hoyas could have done a better job of slowing down Grayson Allen who set a new career high (32 pts)...which has become a trend of 1 opposing player going off in losses vs the Hoyas this season. Not into moral victories as the Hoyas could have won this game, but cannot get over the hump. The team just needs to find a way to win these games against ranked teams for this to be a special season.
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Post by deacon on Nov 22, 2015 15:39:16 GMT -5
It's painfully obvious that Ike is the true star player on this team and he needs to play like it for 40 minutes in order for this team to take the next step. I'm in no way giving up on DSR, but I've given up on expecting him to give us big scoring games when we really need them.
If Ike plays like the star he can be, and we get Paul and Tre back Ito the mix, this could be a Final Four year.
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 22, 2015 15:39:24 GMT -5
As my posts throughout his career will show, I'm a big DSR fan. I have him breaking Austin Freeman's season-scoring record (17.6 pts.) under JT3. But, this is the fourth game of the season and he has yet to assert himself as the leader of the team in each game and the BE POY candidate. Again, today he had a quiet 14 pts. With the way the other players are playing and Tre and Paul coming back at some point, we need DSR to play like the preseason BE First Team player and we will be a Final Four team. I just don't think DSR has it in him. I like him too, I do, but he plays better off the ball. When Tre and White get back and as Kaleb continues to grow, I think it's in our best interest to play him off the ball and let someone else facilitate. He's never seemed truly comfortable in that role.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 22, 2015 15:40:03 GMT -5
LJ did a really great job driving the lane but DAMN free throws! Kid needs to be in the gym every morning working on that. He played really good at first, really bad in the middle, and great late (Minus the freethrows) Kid needs to keep attacking. I don't care how he looks in November. I care how he looks in Feb and beyond. For the first time he found a drive and kick game when they compressed. He's never played in this sudo PG role so it's going to take time, but an athletic 6'5 kid attacking the basket that can finish with both hands is going to be tough to contain. Definitely a work in progress but it will make us so much more dangerous if he can keep developing in that role. Would like to see the staff stressing when you can't get to all the way to the basket jumpstop and look for the kick. You've already done your job by getting 2 feet in the lane. Take your time and find the opening. These things really only come from experience and feel though so it will take time To be frank....it is the sort of thing the staff should have had him working more on and doing more of LAST season. They should not have waited until injuries and failed attempts at recruiting limited the amount of ballhandlers the team has at the moment. Speaking of injuries...when is Paul White going to play?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:45:45 GMT -5
It's painfully obvious that Ike is the true star player on this team and he needs to play like it for 40 minutes in order for this team to take the next step. I'm in no way giving up on DSR, but I've given up on expecting him to give us big scoring games when we really need them. If Ike plays like the star he can be, and we get Paul and Tre back Ito the mix, this could be a Final Four year. If this team is going to be the best it can be Ike needs to realize make or miss 40 min of killer mentality. I'd love it on both ends but I'd really take it mostly offensively. When he decides to go the only person stopping him is him. Problem is he decides to take himself out of the games at times. Thing is he's proven he's onions, needs to work on being relentless...
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Post by prhoya on Nov 22, 2015 15:46:24 GMT -5
As my posts throughout his career will show, I'm a big DSR fan. I have him breaking Austin Freeman's season-scoring record (17.6 pts.) under JT3. But, this is the fourth game of the season and he has yet to assert himself as the leader of the team in each game and the BE POY candidate. Again, today he had a quiet 14 pts. With the way the other players are playing and Tre and Paul coming back at some point, we need DSR to play like the preseason BE First Team player and we will be a Final Four team. I just don't think DSR has it in him. I like him too, I do, but he plays better off the ball. When Tre and White get back and as Kaleb continues to grow, I think it's in our best interest to play him off the ball and let someone else facilitate. He's never seemed truly comfortable in that role. I believe he has it in him. He just needs to do it.
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 22, 2015 15:48:20 GMT -5
LJ did a really great job driving the lane but DAMN free throws! Kid needs to be in the gym every morning working on that. He played really good at first, really bad in the middle, and great late (Minus the freethrows) Kid needs to keep attacking. I don't care how he looks in November. I care how he looks in Feb and beyond. For the first time he found a drive and kick game when they compressed. He's never played in this sudo PG role so it's going to take time, but an athletic 6'5 kid attacking the basket that can finish with both hands is going to be tough to contain. Definitely a work in progress but it will make us so much more dangerous if he can keep developing in that role. Would like to see the staff stressing when you can't get to all the way to the basket jumpstop and look for the kick. You've already done your job by getting 2 feet in the lane. Take your time and find the opening. These things really only come from experience and feel though so it will take time Agreed, his ability to get in the lane will open things up for all the guys that can hit 3s on our squad, Copeland, Cameron, DSR, Tre, Marcus. And with Govan, Hayes, Mourning, even a drive and dish to a big for the dunk wound be nice to incorporate.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 22, 2015 15:48:24 GMT -5
Glad to read this comment from JT3.. Catching & holding is the worst thing a team can do against a zone..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 22, 2015 15:49:52 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts: - Gotta give it up to Duke and Grayson Allen. They made a ton of shots. Our defense is not great, but they were making shots when defended, making a ton of NBA threes, made almost all their free throws until they gave us a shot at the end.
- That said, I have a hard time judging our defense this game. So many touch fouls. At first it was on both teams but then the calls started to go one way.
- If there was a stretch that killed us, it was during the second 8-0 run. We actually were picking apart the 1-3-1 zone ... at least the openings were there but just minor executional issues. Someone missed an open corner three, Govan turned it over when he had a dude wide open under the basket, Copeland had an easy pass slip through his fingers. Execute in that stretch and we win this game.
- Our timing on our defensive rebounding was terrible, but the bigger issue is after a decent first half of getting offensive boards ourselves, we started being one and done. They got key O rebounds, but only gathered about 1/3rd of possible offensive boards, which is about average. We didn't come close to that -- we need more energy on the offensive boards.
- We almost beat #5 without Campbell and White. It didn't hurt us on offense, I don't think, but I think we could have used White especially on D.
- Copeland was a beast. I don't feel like he's a great comp for many recent Hoyas offensively, but what about Reggie Williams? I don't the defense isn't there, but what say you old-timers?
- Great game for Kaleb, though I admit I think we'll see more of the scrappy play than the two threes.
- The freshmen got tentative when we were going down. That will get better, but Govan had a couple of key mistakes and Derrickson lost all assertiveness. Gotta believe in how you play.
- I'm not sure why the hate for DSR. He's not shooting well, but he also dished 6 assists, managed to avoid fouls in a game where that was impossible and got a key steal late. Not his best game, but people are going to need to adjust -- this is a team effort on offense now. DSR trying to assert himself is not always going to be a good move. Also, we didn't lose this on offense -- we shot 19-29 from two, 40% from 3, 79% from the FT line.
- If this team can learn to play defense, we're going to be very, very good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:52:43 GMT -5
He played really good at first, really bad in the middle, and great late (Minus the freethrows) Kid needs to keep attacking. I don't care how he looks in November. I care how he looks in Feb and beyond. For the first time he found a drive and kick game when they compressed. He's never played in this sudo PG role so it's going to take time, but an athletic 6'5 kid attacking the basket that can finish with both hands is going to be tough to contain. Definitely a work in progress but it will make us so much more dangerous if he can keep developing in that role. Would like to see the staff stressing when you can't get to all the way to the basket jumpstop and look for the kick. You've already done your job by getting 2 feet in the lane. Take your time and find the opening. These things really only come from experience and feel though so it will take time To be frank....it is the sort of thing the staff should have had him working more on and doing more of LAST season. They should not have waited until injuries and failed attempts at recruiting limited the amount of ballhandlers the team has at the moment. Speaking of injuries...when is Paul White going to play? I don't think it's a result of injuries at all..He was doing it first game of the season though. Maybe the amount of minutes but not him playing on ball. Pretty sure there were quotes from 3 preseason saying he would use Peak at PG more. Idk but man we could use him but even though it hurts really really really bad right now. The abiity for other guys like Reggie, Tre, and Kaleb to get the extra minutes might be really good for us later in the season. But seriously if Ike get's that go to guy mentality. Peak can play on ball a little moving D to the 2 and free him up for some catch and shoots or 1 dribble pull ups that makes us seriously hard to guard.
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 22, 2015 15:53:26 GMT -5
I just don't think DSR has it in him. I like him too, I do, but he plays better off the ball. When Tre and White get back and as Kaleb continues to grow, I think it's in our best interest to play him off the ball and let someone else facilitate. He's never seemed truly comfortable in that role. I believe he has it in him. He just needs to do it. After tons and tons of opportunities, I feel like we've been waiting since last season for him to put it together and I can't say that he has.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 22, 2015 15:56:18 GMT -5
I believe he has it in him. He just needs to do it. After tons and tons of opportunities, I feel like we've been waiting since last season for him to put it together and I can't say that he has. What are you people expecting? If you think this game was lost on offense, you're absolutely crazy.
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Post by Highsmith on Nov 22, 2015 15:56:09 GMT -5
To me this game was all about that 3-4 minute stretch to start the 2nd half. Other than that stretch, we were the better team. That stretch, however, was terrible. Yes, other things could have happened in other parts of the game to help us win, but there are always ups and downs throughout a game....things we did better and things they did better. Bottom line is that we were the better team for the vast majority of that game, but a major lapse cost us. Hope the guys learn from that and move on, because this team can be very good.
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Post by Eurostar on Nov 22, 2015 16:05:00 GMT -5
We went on runs in the last few games with DSR on the bench. We play better as a team when he is the 2 guard and Campbell or Peak brings the ball up.
This was going to be a close game to the end either way - we needed to have our best performance of the year to win and we ended up making a few errors down the stretch. Looking absolutely lost when they went 2-3 zone and then 1-3-1 zone led to runs at the end of the 1st half and beginning of the 2nd half. A few bad plays with about 5min left in the game including an ill advised Mourning 3. And a bad call when Allen hit the ball out of bounds but they called it out on Mourning.
We win this game with a few 50-50 plays going our way or a few more misses from Allen. Good game either way, but I'm tired of moral victories.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 22, 2015 16:08:54 GMT -5
It's hard to believe we haven't even gotten to Thanksgiving yet with the amount of quality teams we've played and how many separate players we've had step up. I feel really bummed having lost 3 very close ones, 2 of which were to top 5 teams. We really missed two great opportunities there and put ourselves in a huge hole with one of those games.
However, it's not even Thanksgiving yet. We still have a whole season to play, it's hard to remember that in sometimes. We need to learn to play defense and tighten up the rebounding. We also have 2 of our top 7 out. There are plenty of reasons to be optimistic, but it feels like we are in January/February and optimism doesn't sound good enough right now.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 22, 2015 16:09:04 GMT -5
I am not into moral victories either, but the Hoyas came within 6 points of beating the number 3 and 5 teams with 3 and 1 half of its projected 8 players playing.(White, Campbell , Agau and half of DSR). The positives from these games going forward will soften these two losses by season end. We now know that Kaleb and Trey will be positive contributors throughout the season, I really like Kaleb on both ends of the floor. Kid is a winner. DSR is thinking too much before he shoots. He does not have the lift on his jump shot as Allen does so he can not get the 3pt shot off without the aide of a pick, but even when he got the pick he hesitated taking it. Wide open 3pt shots took almost 3 seconds to pull trigger, like he was aiming the ball instead of instinctively rising and shooting. His intermediate game is also nonexistent now. If the DSR from last year returns this is a very dangerous team.
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