SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 22, 2015 15:15:49 GMT -5
We can compete with great teams but the bad perimeter defense and defensive rebounding is going to hurt us against anyone in the top half of the conference. They will hurt us, but I think they will hurt us to the tune of not winning by as much as we should have. I think the Hoyas are going to win a lot of conference games this year, and when Paul and Tre get healthy, even more depth. I love how Cameron, Mourning, Johnson and Hayes have all had their moments so far. DSR needs to get untracked, but I think this team has the talent to do a lot of damage this year. A few good bounces and we're 4-0 right now with 2 top 10 wins. That's how close we are to being very very good.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Nov 22, 2015 15:16:17 GMT -5
We can compete with great teams but the bad perimeter defense and defensive rebounding is going to hurt us against anyone in the top half of the conference. I think missing 2 of our top 7 player did also going to hurt. Funny that the announcers didn't mention that once.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:16:11 GMT -5
We are the best 1-3 team in college basketball history That and 2 bucks will get you a cup of coffee.
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Post by hoyadestroya on Nov 22, 2015 15:16:47 GMT -5
Very tough being a Hoya and giant football fan. It's been a tough few months with end of game play. Can't catch a break. No doubt about that! Just have to hope both teams find a way to make it to the playoffs/tourney and get payback.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:17:23 GMT -5
Grayson Allen is tough, props to that kid but dam can't breathe on that kid without a whistle... wow
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 22, 2015 15:17:06 GMT -5
Why did we not save our timeout? I'm glad we went with the flow -- I like our chances better the way it unfolded, but Thornton played good D - almost too good, he was so close.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:18:25 GMT -5
I think as the season progresses we'll balance in more zone but damn we got killed on the boards when we went to it...
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 22, 2015 15:18:34 GMT -5
Really tough loss. I would've saved the TO for after the free throw but otherwise I thought we played well. Still a bit of a disappearing act for Copeland in the second half but he came through in the clutch for the 2 threes that gave us a chance to win. Need to work on offense against a 1-3-1 or get the guys to be a bit more patient with what we have cause there were a couple of head scratcher 3s that caused us to have an offensive drought.
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 22, 2015 15:19:48 GMT -5
Really tough loss. I would've saved the TO for after the free throw but otherwise I thought we played well. Still a bit of a disappearing act for Copeland in the second half but he came through in the clutch for the 2 threes that gave us a chance to win. Need to work on offense against a 1-3-1 or get the guys to be a bit more patient with what we have cause there were a couple of head scratcher 3s that caused us to have an offensive drought. I think guys got trigger happy for that stretch a bit -- I thought our offense against their zones for the most part was very good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:20:14 GMT -5
Johnson was a revelation. If you let him get to his left he can hurt you and he only takes shots he can make... His movement off the ball sometimes is Ottoesque, kid is going to be very good filling in the blanks this year..
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Post by williambraskyiii on Nov 22, 2015 15:20:27 GMT -5
I think missing 2 of our top 7 player did also going to hurt. Funny that the announcers didn't mention that once. Vitale is the absolute worst. He needs to be put out to pasture. Two or three terrible calls including what was undeniably a push in the back by the troll Ted Cruz lookalike Grayson Allen on Peak's drive. Also the Mourning strip that was not off his knee. Two separate 8-0 runs by Duke sealed this for them but good fight by Georgetown. We need to hope that Tre and Paul can come back at full strength soon and we need to win out ooc. Overall a lot to be excited about with this team. Great game by Copeland.
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 22, 2015 15:21:01 GMT -5
I think as the season progresses we'll balance in more zone but damn we got killed on the boards when we went to it... Yeah, Jefferson and Plumlee are good offensive rebounders and we gave them too many when we went zone in the second half. It worked well to contain Grayson Allen some but the rebounding was the trade off.
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Post by jester on Nov 22, 2015 15:21:05 GMT -5
Yeah it's too bad Akoy is not walking through that door, would have added some rebounding and athleticism. Just need Govan etc to box out hard and find their man.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 22, 2015 15:23:49 GMT -5
The good news is we are a solid team, bad news is we can't get over the hump against these top teams. Hopefully come March we can finish a bit better. It's just so frustrating since we don't play top 5 teams all the time a win would have been great. We're not a full strength, Rich. You are right, I believe, in that this group will be a load by the time conference starts, if we get healthy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:25:47 GMT -5
Govan is getting better each game but need to focus on Defense and rebounding. The major question is does he have the strength/maturity right now to earn those bounds. His touch on O is beautiful and he has no hesitation. Encouraging start to the season for him..
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 22, 2015 15:26:00 GMT -5
LJ did a really great job driving the lane but DAMN free throws! Kid needs to be in the gym every morning working on that.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 22, 2015 15:26:43 GMT -5
Funny that the announcers didn't mention that once. Vitale is the absolute worst. He needs to be put out to pasture. Two or three terrible calls including what was undeniably a push in the back by the troll Ted Cruz lookalike Grayson Allen on Peak's drive. Also the Mourning strip that was not off his knee. Two separate 8-0 runs by Duke sealed this for them but good fight by Georgetown. We need to hope that Tre and Paul can come back at full strength soon and we need to win out ooc. Overall a lot to be excited about with this team. Great game by Copeland. Agreed, I put the sound on mute midway thru the 1st half.. Agree on Tre & Paul(especially Paul) coming back healthy soon..
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Post by JohnnyJones on Nov 22, 2015 15:27:31 GMT -5
I am also encouraged, optimistic and excited for the potential of this team the remainder of the year. But if your goal is to make and succeed in the NCAA Tournament, then we have to accept the fact that we are 1-3, with one really bad loss and 1 win that is going to look very pedestrian in March IMO. The two near misses against really good teams will mean zero. These two were enormous missed opportunities and leave very little room for error on 12/5 and during conference season. Again, really excited for the season but a bit down about 1-3.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 15:28:41 GMT -5
I think as the season progresses we'll balance in more zone but damn we got killed on the boards when we went to it... Yeah, Jefferson and Plumlee are good offensive rebounders and we gave them too many when we went zone in the second half. It worked well to contain Grayson Allen some but the rebounding was the trade off. Especially last 5-6 minutes.. Still we give up way too much on Pnr our bigs don't have the speed to hedge hard and with the new rules even if you did it's an auto foul. We do have the length to contest though and our offense can be tough
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Post by jester on Nov 22, 2015 15:29:41 GMT -5
Trends that need to stop: giving up better than 45% 3s in second half of games and taking away a good backcourt - 46 pts to Allen and Thornton. I think they did an ok job but Allen is just not missing from outside and once he gets going its tough for forwards to not foul / he is better than most at putting it around and over them.
Our D will get better - so many young players out there.
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