blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 10, 2015 18:12:12 GMT -5
Ive changed my tune about the BET partly because of what you guys are saying about the NCAAs, not in spite of it. I just think more and more that the NCAAs are an absurd crap shoot. No matter what we do, it's easily possible that we will play exactly the wrong team in the first or second round. At least, the BET feels like a true, fair tourney and teams are seeded exactly because of what they did against the same teams. I will really enjoy the BET this year if we can take care of business. I agree with this 100% as well. I am over caring what uninformed outsiders (or irrational HoyaTalk insiders!) think of III. But recruit perception and potential ticket-buyer perception do matter and can impact future success. So I'd like to see us remedy that. The problem is this may not be the year to do it regardless, because this is not an elite team. Agreed Big Dog....The only thing I care about is recruiting. If recruits perceive us as a winning program, the future of hoya basketball is bright.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 10, 2015 18:13:41 GMT -5
If we can't beat DePaul or Creighton on Thursday, we aren't making out of the first weekend of the tournament. For me, I think this team needs more games against quality teams to prepare them for the tournament rather than rest. We've had a pretty light schedule to end the season and DSR hasn't played since last Tuesday. I think more time off would just be detrimental at this point, especially with a few young guys struggling with confidence.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 10, 2015 18:53:07 GMT -5
If we can't beat DePaul or Creighton on Thursday, we aren't making out of the first weekend of the tournament. For me, I think this team needs more games against quality teams to prepare them for the tournament rather than rest. We've had a pretty light schedule to end the season and DSR hasn't played since last Tuesday. I think more time off would just be detrimental at this point, especially with a few young guys struggling with confidence. The 2001 team was embarrassed by a bad Seton Hall team it had already beaten twice, yet wound up in the Sweet Sixteen.
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 10, 2015 19:47:20 GMT -5
I haven't posted in a long while but have watched all the Hoyas games this year, so I thought I would share my impressions for what they are worth: this is a very talented team more so than we have had in a good while. It has it all the pieces needed to succeed in the NCAA: senior leadership in Jabril, Josh, Mickael and Aaron. Aaron and Mickael have been terrific this year,finally finding their perfect roles. Josh, well what can you say, except I sure wish he had another year here to develop. Jabril is that kind of player that a really good (sweet 16 or better)team needs to succeed. A terrific college basketball player and a leader. ( and aside from Jeff Green, my favorite Hoya of the past 20+ years). DSR is obviously the most important, but not the key simply because we know what he will bring. IMHO it is all about the freshmen and it is the least heralded that we need to worry about the least: Tre can clearly take the pressure. LJ, Paul and Ike I don't get. What is this regression thing? Is it a function of JT3 coaching/system where a superior performance is almost negated? Cannot be. When I heard that DSR was not going to play against SH, I hoped -despite all the evidence to the contrary- that DSR was just fine and that JT3 was doing it to challenge the team esp. the frosh: you can win this very important game without your best teammate. It worked, thanks to Tre ( and the seniors).Damn, what would this team look like if Paul, Ike and LJ played like we know they can....Sorry for the ramble, but I am a crazy fan and I love this group and their potential. GO HOYAS
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 10, 2015 20:07:48 GMT -5
If we can't beat DePaul or Creighton on Thursday, we aren't making out of the first weekend of the tournament. For me, I think this team needs more games against quality teams to prepare them for the tournament rather than rest. We've had a pretty light schedule to end the season and DSR hasn't played since last Tuesday. I think more time off would just be detrimental at this point, especially with a few young guys struggling with confidence. The 2001 team was embarrassed by a bad Seton Hall team it had already beaten twice, yet wound up in the Sweet Sixteen. You know what they say about playing a team three times in one season... In all seriousness, I thought we were talking about THIS Georgetown team. If this team can't pull it together to beat Creighton or DePaul with the schedule they've had the last few weeks, I don't think they have a prayer at getting out of the first weekend. They'd have had too much time off, they'd be tight, and they have enough things to work on I think they'd benefit from an extra few BET games. I just don't see how more rest would benefit this team compared to more games against quality opponents. It's not 2001 anymore and we aren't going to magically luck into playing a 15 seed in the second round, and even if we DID somehow get a 13+ seed in the second round, us losing would be quite fitting.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 10, 2015 21:06:18 GMT -5
The 2001 team was embarrassed by a bad Seton Hall team it had already beaten twice, yet wound up in the Sweet Sixteen. You know what they say about playing a team three times in one season... In all seriousness, I thought we were talking about THIS Georgetown team. If this team can't pull it together to beat Creighton or DePaul with the schedule they've had the last few weeks, I don't think they have a prayer at getting out of the first weekend. They'd have had too much time off, they'd be tight, and they have enough things to work on I think they'd benefit from an extra few BET games. I just don't see how more rest would benefit this team compared to more games against quality opponents. It's not 2001 anymore and we aren't going to magically luck into playing a 15 seed in the second round, and even if we DID somehow get a 13+ seed in the second round, us losing would be quite fitting. I recognize that you are speaking with hyperbole, but obviously nothing that happens Thursday guarantees anything about next week. They are independent games, and no matter who we play we undoubtedly will have something close to a 50% chance at winning.
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royski
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Post by royski on Mar 10, 2015 21:10:22 GMT -5
Does Fox Sports 1 have a streaming option for the tournament?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 10, 2015 21:13:20 GMT -5
I think that our own history shows that there is virtually no direct correlation between BET and NCAA performance. That is particularly the case this year, where we have s little more depth than in some recent years, do 3 games in 3 nights would not be as draining.
That being the case, I want a strong BET performance. It will build confidence for our guys. More importantly, it will be a great ride for them. We are not winning the NCAAT this year, would be shocked if we got to the Final Four, would not even have any real expectations beyond hopefully the Sweet Sixteen. But a BET title game on Saturday night in NYC would be something the players remember for a long time. Especially the seniors. So for them, I want to be playing Saturday night.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 10, 2015 21:50:24 GMT -5
You know what they say about playing a team three times in one season... In all seriousness, I thought we were talking about THIS Georgetown team. If this team can't pull it together to beat Creighton or DePaul with the schedule they've had the last few weeks, I don't think they have a prayer at getting out of the first weekend. They'd have had too much time off, they'd be tight, and they have enough things to work on I think they'd benefit from an extra few BET games. I just don't see how more rest would benefit this team compared to more games against quality opponents. It's not 2001 anymore and we aren't going to magically luck into playing a 15 seed in the second round, and even if we DID somehow get a 13+ seed in the second round, us losing would be quite fitting. I recognize that you are speaking with hyperbole, but obviously nothing that happens Thursday guarantees anything about next week. They are independent games, and no matter who we play we undoubtedly will have something close to a 50% chance at winning. Well exactly, my point is that losing Thursday certainly doesn't guarantee success in the tournament. If anything it indicates that success is unlikely. I personally just think we would benefit from a successful run in the BET and it would make is a better team.
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Post by hoyadestroya on Mar 10, 2015 22:08:33 GMT -5
The Requiem for BE is on ESPNU. Trying not to get too far off topic but man how I wish we won that last 1 against SUcks. Makes me hope for an old-school game in the BET vs the Johnnies or Nova.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 11, 2015 7:09:10 GMT -5
The Requiem for BE is on ESPNU. Trying not to get too far off topic but man how I wish we won that last 1 against SUcks. Makes me hope for an old-school game in the BET vs the Johnnies or Nova. Yeah we beat them twice that year! Then they beat us in New York and went to the Final Four while we lost to FGCU. Yeah.
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Post by miamihoya on Mar 11, 2015 10:02:59 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any updates regarding the AT&T and FS1 dispute? Any chance those of us with Uverse are going to be able to actually watch the games? My last call to AT&T customer service did not end well. Will the finals at least be on national Fox network?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 11, 2015 10:08:32 GMT -5
The Requiem for BE is on ESPNU. Trying not to get too far off topic but man how I wish we won that last 1 against SUcks. Makes me hope for an old-school game in the BET vs the Johnnies or Nova. I came across it just at the part about the 1984 BET final and Boeheim's temper tantrum at the press conference. The ref who came flying in from mid court to throw Graham out for lashing out at the Orangeboy who had wrestled with him was good old Froggy Paparo. Not only were the other 2 refs right there when it all happened and had a much better view of it than Paparo, but Froggy was actually from Syracuse, so it would have looked doubly suspicious to allow him to decide the game by ejecting Michael. As an aside, multiple sources during my youth(grew up 25 miles from Syracuse) told me that Paparo was considered for an NBA job until the NBA discovered that his father was a prominent bookie in Syracuse.
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Mar 11, 2015 10:51:04 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any updates regarding the AT&T and FS1 dispute? Any chance those of us with Uverse are going to be able to actually watch the games? My last call to AT&T customer service did not end well. Will the finals at least be on national Fox network? Bigeast.com shows all the games to be on FS1: www.bigeast.com/sports/m-baskbl/bige-m-baskbl-body.html
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 11, 2015 11:43:33 GMT -5
My understanding is that the AT&T dispute is ongoing. I don't see it ending anytime soon. If you have the ability to log into Fox Sports GO with another provider, though, you can get the games there.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 11, 2015 12:19:07 GMT -5
For the past few years I have been optimistic that the Hoyas would put in a run, regardless of how they did or finished the regular season. I have been disappointed a few times during those years. I always think we have this figured out and we will gel when the important games come along. I guess my optimism is tempered this year; in past years I would think that the frosh are no longer frosh and have matured with a year under their belt. It seems not to be happening as of late, but gee my optimism is kicking in (like Charlie Brown) and I think we can do this and make a run in both tourneys. So go Hoyas and make this oldster proud!
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 11, 2015 12:45:55 GMT -5
Rationally speaking I don't see how anyone could say that this team seems more capable of making a run then prior teams. We were the Editeding regular season conference champions and a 2 seed two years ago. The path doesn't get much easier than that.
The only thing I am certain of is that those prior years and teams mean nothing with respect to this year and team. That doesn't mean it will fare any better, of course.
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Post by guru on Mar 11, 2015 12:57:46 GMT -5
Rationally speaking I don't see how anyone could say that this team seems more capable of making a run then prior teams. We were the Editeding regular season conference champions and a 2 seed two years ago. The path doesn't get much easier than that. The only thing I am certain of is that those prior years and teams mean nothing with respect to this year and team. That doesn't mean it will fare any better, of course. Nothing? I know you keep beating this horse waiting for someone to disagree with you - and logically, you are correct. But you can not deny the specter hanging over the program at the moment. Of course it doesn't score any points against us in a game, but it's just something else to deal with mentally, especially for the seniors who might have PTSD from FGCU.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 11, 2015 13:04:53 GMT -5
Rationally speaking I don't see how anyone could say that this team seems more capable of making a run then prior teams. We were the Editeding regular season conference champions and a 2 seed two years ago. The path doesn't get much easier than that. The only thing I am certain of is that those prior years and teams mean nothing with respect to this year and team. That doesn't mean it will fare any better, of course. Nothing? I know you keep beating this horse waiting for someone to disagree with you - and logically, you are correct. But you can not deny the specter hanging over the program at the moment. Of course it doesn't score any points against us in a game, but it's just something else to deal with mentally, especially for the seniors who might have PTSD from FGCU. Isn't DSR really the only current player who got much run on that team? I'm sure there's no PTSD. Maybe don't fall behind by 8 points right away or whatever but otherwise once the game starts that stuff almost certainly goes away. Now if there is any potential impact to worry about it might be with III, who is probably not sleeping much right now. Theoretically there is some risk he would over-tinker and get away from what works. But to me they should approach the NCAAs just like they did Atlantis.
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Post by guru on Mar 11, 2015 13:09:15 GMT -5
Nothing? I know you keep beating this horse waiting for someone to disagree with you - and logically, you are correct. But you can not deny the specter hanging over the program at the moment. Of course it doesn't score any points against us in a game, but it's just something else to deal with mentally, especially for the seniors who might have PTSD from FGCU. Isn't DSR really the only current player who got much run on that team? I'm sure there's no PTSD. Maybe don't fall behind by 8 points right away or whatever but otherwise once the game starts that stuff almost certainly goes away. Now if there is any potential impact to worry about it might be with III, who is probably not sleeping much right now. Theoretically there is some risk he would over-tinker and get away from what works. But to me they should approach the NCAAs just like they did Atlantis. Trawick too, right? EDIT: Hop, Trawick, Bowen and DSR saw significant minutes against FGCU. scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330810046
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