hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 11, 2015 13:19:40 GMT -5
I was gonna say Brilly and Hop got a lot on burn that year. I agree with BD in that I believe the person with PTSD will be III if the game is tight. I believe it would be the same if we had made deep runs in our recent past tourneys. III has gotten better but he is a nervous nancy coach. I think we need DSR, Josh and Brilly to carry us in the opening round and then Ike and Tre will calm down to join the party. I don't see PW coming out of his slump at this time of the year but I could see LJ going for 20......
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 11, 2015 13:19:54 GMT -5
Isn't DSR really the only current player who got much run on that team? I'm sure there's no PTSD. Maybe don't fall behind by 8 points right away or whatever but otherwise once the game starts that stuff almost certainly goes away. Now if there is any potential impact to worry about it might be with III, who is probably not sleeping much right now. Theoretically there is some risk he would over-tinker and get away from what works. But to me they should approach the NCAAs just like they did Atlantis. Trawick too, right? EDIT: Hop, Trawick, Bowen and DSR saw significant minutes against FGCU. scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330810046I think this sort of mental stuff will lurk in the back of Hop, Bowen, DSR, Trawick and JTIII's minds but once the game starts will be completely forgotten. Most fans, on the other hand, will have in the forefront of their minds continually.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 11, 2015 13:29:35 GMT -5
I was gonna say Brilly and Hop got a lot on burn that year. I agree with BD in that I believe the person with PTSD will be III if the game is tight. I believe it would be the same if we had made deep runs in our recent past tourneys. III has gotten better but he is a nervous nancy coach. I think we need DSR, Josh and Brilly to carry us in the opening round and then Ike and Tre will calm down to join the party. I don't see PW coming out of his slump at this time of the year but I could see LJ going for 20...... If the game is tight!?!? Ohio, VCU, and FGCU weren't even competitive games. The latter part of Davidson also felt like a blowout. A close game would be welcome and unfamiliar to all involved.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 11, 2015 13:31:15 GMT -5
Isn't DSR really the only current player who got much run on that team? I'm sure there's no PTSD. Maybe don't fall behind by 8 points right away or whatever but otherwise once the game starts that stuff almost certainly goes away. Now if there is any potential impact to worry about it might be with III, who is probably not sleeping much right now. Theoretically there is some risk he would over-tinker and get away from what works. But to me they should approach the NCAAs just like they did Atlantis. Trawick too, right? EDIT: Hop, Trawick, Bowen and DSR saw significant minutes against FGCU. scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330810046Can't believe you were willing to go look at the boxscore. You have courage, my friend.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 11, 2015 13:32:46 GMT -5
Nothing? I know you keep beating this horse waiting for someone to disagree with you - and logically, you are correct. But you can not deny the specter hanging over the program at the moment. Of course it doesn't score any points against us in a game, but it's just something else to deal with mentally, especially for the seniors who might have PTSD from FGCU. Isn't DSR really the only current player who got much run on that team? I'm sure there's no PTSD. Maybe don't fall behind by 8 points right away or whatever but otherwise once the game starts that stuff almost certainly goes away. Now if there is any potential impact to worry about it might be with III, who is probably not sleeping much right now. Theoretically there is some risk he would over-tinker and get away from what works. But to me they should approach the NCAAs just like they did Atlantis. It's hard to sleep when you're on the hot seat.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 11, 2015 13:36:54 GMT -5
I'll give you Ohio and VCU but we got FGCU close late even though we eventually lost by 10. The NCST game was close and Davidson we collapsed under the pressure. The games will be close because this team doesn't get blown out on neutral courts. Even the games that weren't really competitive, outside of at home against Xavier, are understandable. Revenge games on the road and Xavier at midnight.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 11, 2015 14:12:47 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Mar 11, 2015 14:15:31 GMT -5
Rationally speaking I don't see how anyone could say that this team seems more capable of making a run then prior teams. We were the Editeding regular season conference champions and a 2 seed two years ago. The path doesn't get much easier than that. The only thing I am certain of is that those prior years and teams mean nothing with respect to this year and team. That doesn't mean it will fare any better, of course. While I agree with the sentiment that this team seems the least likely and capable of making a run, I do see how people could think that. None of those other teams made a run, therefore at this point they have 0% chance of doing anything. This team, my virtue of the future being unknown, has better than 0% chance(though imo, only slightly ). I don't think you can underscore the importance of knowing past teams outcomes when sizing this one up against them.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 11, 2015 14:44:56 GMT -5
As much as it could be mental for some of the guys (I agree that if it will get to anybody mentally, it would likely be JTIII), I think it could also serve to really motivate our guys to really focus and play to the best of their ability. They all know full well what has happened in the past. I find it hard to believe that a guy like Trawick is going to be mental, though. If anything, I think it will make him want to win even more.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 11, 2015 15:08:00 GMT -5
Since this is the team with the lowest expectation of the recent past (although the Chris Wright broken wrist team was clearly not going on a long run); I feel oddly confident that this could be the Hoyas time to finally bang out a few wins. Get past the first game, and I think Hoyas become a very tough out. Honestly, the team is constructed like one that can do damage - we have a true post presence in Smith, great guard play from DSR and a lot of quality depth to fend off foul trouble.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 11, 2015 15:56:57 GMT -5
Might be beneficial to play Thursday rather than Friday; the more time you have to sit and wait, and even watch other underdogs play over their heads, the more uncertainty can creep in.
Ohio was on Thurdau; VCU and FGCU on Friday.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 11, 2015 16:33:50 GMT -5
Might be beneficial to play Thursday rather than Friday; the more time you have to sit and wait, and even watch other underdogs play over their heads, the more uncertainty can creep in. Ohio was on Thurdau; VCU and FGCU on Friday. What might be beneficial is not having some huge seed advantage over our opponents. It certainly seemed like FGCU was a failure of motivation--of taking a low-ranked team lightly and assuming notwithstanding recent crises we could walk out there and win (as we did the previous year against Belmont).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 11, 2015 16:36:59 GMT -5
Well hopefully we won't lack for motivation this time!
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Post by drquigley on Mar 11, 2015 16:38:05 GMT -5
Been away for a day and just checked in. C'mon folks, buck up! This year we are the predator not the prey. Go in as a 5-6 (maybe a 7 if we lose Thursday) and once we get by the first game we become the Cinderellas. I'm really looking forward to this year's Tourney.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 11, 2015 17:57:49 GMT -5
I'll give you Ohio and VCU but we got FGCU close late even though we eventually lost by 10. The NCST game was close and Davidson we collapsed under the pressure. The games will be close because this team doesn't get blown out on neutral courts. Even the games that weren't really competitive, outside of at home against Xavier, are understandable. Revenge games on the road and Xavier at midnight. The Davidson game was by far the closest of the bunch. We were down 2 with the ball and about 1:30 to go. If Curry gets called for a clear foul on Wright shooting a 3 (even Billy Packer was appalled at the no-call), we are likely tied or up one with Curry out of the game. Instead Curry scores an easy basket by cherrypicking after the miss and we are down four with just over a minute to play. Yes we fell apart, but that single call was enormous.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 11, 2015 19:01:43 GMT -5
Kevin O'Neil just picked DePaul to win tonight and tomorrow night. . .against us.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 11, 2015 19:16:25 GMT -5
Kevin O'Neil just picked DePaul to win tonight and tomorrow night. . .against us. Well then we have no chance, might as well head back to DC.
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 11, 2015 19:27:04 GMT -5
I know this is damning things with faint praise, but there are a whole lot more people here in MSG tonight than there were for our debacle against DePaul last year. The place is still only 60% full at best, but it was pretty much a tomb last year. Baby steps...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 11, 2015 19:50:33 GMT -5
I would like to see Creighton win tonight just to keep their fans around.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 11, 2015 19:56:51 GMT -5
Just to round out the BE awards, I assume Arcidiacono got best dancer too? Seems less ludicrous than the award he's already gotten.
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