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Post by professorhoya on Dec 27, 2014 15:58:16 GMT -5
Rosemount was rockin when the Meyer's were coaching Depaul with Mark Aquirre, Terry Cummings, Dallas Comegys, Rod Strickland. When the Meyer's were pushed out, the whole program collapsed and hasn't recovered in 25 years. Be careful what you wish for when trying to push out a coaching dynasty. My uncle was a starter on the 79 final four team, there is still a lot of pride in the DePaul program. Just need to build back up respectability. The key is to bring back a player from the Meyer years to the program. Tyrone Corbin or Rod Strickland or someone like that as head coach. The way the Meyeres were treated likley left a bad taste in the mouths of the DePaul alumni NBA stars who disassociated themselves from the program. If the Thompsons were unceremoniously kicked out of Georgetown, you would likely see the alumni and former players like Ewing, Mourning, Dikembe etc, etc stay away from the Georgetown program and they would stop coming back to help the current crop of players which would just further erode recruiting and player skills development. What you would be left with is a dystopian basketball program much like DePaul suffering through a 25 year period of irrelevance.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 27, 2014 16:16:43 GMT -5
My uncle was a starter on the 79 final four team, there is still a lot of pride in the DePaul program. Just need to build back up respectability. The key is to bring back a player from the Meyer years to the program. Tyrone Corbin or Rod Strickland or someone like that as head coach. The way the Meyeres were treated likley left a bad taste in the mouths of the DePaul alumni NBA stars who disassociated themselves from the program. If the Thompsons were unceremoniously kicked out of Georgetown, you would likely see the alumni and former players like Ewing, Mourning, Dikembe etc, etc stay away from the Georgetown program and they would stop coming back to help the current crop of players which would just further erode recruiting and player skills development. What you would be left with is a dystopian basketball program much like DePaul suffering through a 25 year period of irrelevance. Joey Meyer coached the team from 1984-97.. You make it seem like they fired him after a few seasons.. He Didn't make the NCAA tourney after '92.. His last two teams had records of 11-18 and 3-23.. What should Depaul have done to make the transition easier? If JT3 goes thru a 4 or 5 year drought of missed tourney's I would hope G'town would explore all possibilities to get the program back to respectability...
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 27, 2014 16:22:43 GMT -5
Kentucky wins at Louisville, 58-50. Not as exciting as the game that preceded it on ESPN2.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 27, 2014 16:30:28 GMT -5
Both Corbin and Strickland would bring prior coaching experience as well; Corbin is the interim head coach in Sacramento for the Kings, and Strickland is currently an assistant coach for Orlando Antigua at South Florida. The idea of bringing in a former DePaul player as a head coach, and reestablishing the connection with players from those glory years, would be a tremendous first step for a program that has been in desperate need of rejuvenation. I agree with DFW Hoya that those fans who have stuck with the Blue Demons deserve credit for their loyalty; at some point, though, loyalty has to be rewarded.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 27, 2014 16:31:04 GMT -5
DePaul should consider the best, well liked, mature HS coach in the area, if such exists.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 27, 2014 16:37:40 GMT -5
The key is to bring back a player from the Meyer years to the program. Tyrone Corbin or Rod Strickland or someone like that as head coach. The way the Meyeres were treated likley left a bad taste in the mouths of the DePaul alumni NBA stars who disassociated themselves from the program. If the Thompsons were unceremoniously kicked out of Georgetown, you would likely see the alumni and former players like Ewing, Mourning, Dikembe etc, etc stay away from the Georgetown program and they would stop coming back to help the current crop of players which would just further erode recruiting and player skills development. What you would be left with is a dystopian basketball program much like DePaul suffering through a 25 year period of irrelevance. Joey Meyer coached the team from 1984-97.. You make it seem like they fired him after a few seasons.. He Didn't make the NCAA tourney after '92.. His last two teams had records of 11-18 and 3-23.. What should Depaul have done to make the transition easier? If JT3 goes thru a 4 or 5 year drought of missed tourney's I would hope G'town would explore all possibilities to get the program back to respectability... Never made it seem like they fired him after a few seasons. Not sure what made you think that. The admin created those losing records. IIRC they did alot of things to sabotage his recruiting and make players academically ineligible in the middle of the sesason (by their standards not the NCAAs) with the inevitable results of losing records. There's a thread on it somewhere on the DePaul boards about it but basically the Meyer's were pushed out by the administration and that left a very bad taste in the mouths of all the DePaul NBA alumni who cut ties with the program when their mentors/head coaches were pushed out.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 27, 2014 16:43:05 GMT -5
Both Corbin and Strickland would bring prior coaching experience as well; Corbin is the interim head coach in Sacramento for the Kings, and Strickland is currently an assistant coach for Orlando Antigua at South Florida. The idea of bringing in a former DePaul player as a head coach, and reestablishing the connection with players from those glory years, would be a tremendous first step for a program that has been in desperate need of rejuvenation. I agree with DFW Hoya that those fans who have stuck with the Blue Demons deserve credit for their loyalty; at some point, though, loyalty has to be rewarded. The DePaul fan base has shrunk considerably. Sure there will always be a couple loyal fans but during the 70s and 80s DePaul's fanbase encompassed all of Chicago. Especially before MJ and Jordan started winning titles. They also received national coverage of every game through the WGN superstation which increased the fan and recruiting base at a time when very few basketball schools had their own network/cable channel.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 27, 2014 16:51:37 GMT -5
Billy Blue Demon: "If you look at it on the surface and just look at his record, sure. But, look at the circumstances that led up to the bad record and his firing. Many people point to the public league relationship as the cause. To me, the death knell was when the administration told Meyer and his staff they couldn't recruit off campus. That restriction led to crappy recruiting classes. The crappy recruiting classes led to the bad record.Mike freakin' Krzyzewski or just about any coach would have failed with those kind of restrictions placed on him. And Bubba, since you have so much respect for Coach Ray, then by the same token you also have to respect Coach Ray's feelings on the subject. Ray saw what was happening, he knew the real truth, and he spoke his mind on what happened. He sure didn't think Joey deserved it." depaul.scout.com/forums/2587-classic-memories/7156875-joey-meyer-story
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 27, 2014 17:07:42 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 27, 2014 17:12:05 GMT -5
Joey Meyer coached the team from 1984-97.. You make it seem like they fired him after a few seasons.. He Didn't make the NCAA tourney after '92.. His last two teams had records of 11-18 and 3-23.. What should Depaul have done to make the transition easier? If JT3 goes thru a 4 or 5 year drought of missed tourney's I would hope G'town would explore all possibilities to get the program back to respectability... Never made it seem like they fired him after a few seasons. Not sure what made you think that. The admin created those losing records. IIRC they did alot of things to sabotage his recruiting and make players academically ineligible in the middle of the sesason (by their standards not the NCAAs) with the inevitable results of losing records. There's a thread on it somewhere on the DePaul boards about it but basically the Meyer's were pushed out by the administration and that left a very bad taste in the mouths of all the DePaul NBA alumni who cut ties with the program when their mentors/head coaches were pushed out. I say again Joey Meyer coached the team for 13 seasons, the last 4 of which he didn't make the tourney.. I don't see how that can be viewed as "pushing" them out. If the kids on the team weren't meeting the school's academic standards then good for the school in sticking by it's policies.. G'town has done this very thing many times over the years..
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 27, 2014 17:37:18 GMT -5
Never made it seem like they fired him after a few seasons. Not sure what made you think that. The admin created those losing records. IIRC they did alot of things to sabotage his recruiting and make players academically ineligible in the middle of the sesason (by their standards not the NCAAs) with the inevitable results of losing records. There's a thread on it somewhere on the DePaul boards about it but basically the Meyer's were pushed out by the administration and that left a very bad taste in the mouths of all the DePaul NBA alumni who cut ties with the program when their mentors/head coaches were pushed out. I say again Joey Meyer coached the team for 13 seasons, the last 4 of which he didn't make the tourney.. I don't see how that can be viewed as "pushing" them out. If the kids on the team weren't meeting the school's academic standards then good for the school in sticking by it's policies.. G'town has done this very thing many times over the years.. Pretty much everyone knows they were pushed out by admin. Read the last couple posts. If the school won't let you recruit off campus you have no chance. Do you disagree?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 27, 2014 18:22:45 GMT -5
I say again Joey Meyer coached the team for 13 seasons, the last 4 of which he didn't make the tourney.. I don't see how that can be viewed as "pushing" them out. If the kids on the team weren't meeting the school's academic standards then good for the school in sticking by it's policies.. G'town has done this very thing many times over the years.. Pretty much everyone knows they were pushed out by admin. Read the last couple posts. If the school won't let you recruit off campus you have no chance. Do you disagree? I definitely agree with you there but according to the article posted above, the one year off campus recruiting sanction was a self imposed penalty for NCAA sanction violations.. They did this to lessen the penalty from the NCAA, not to hamstring Meyer's recruiting so they could fire him.. Also according to the article, Depaul signed Meyers to a 4 year deal in 1995.. Why would they give him that deal if they were forcing him out? Bottom line to me is he was fired because his record was 14-41 in his last 2 seasons..
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 27, 2014 18:24:06 GMT -5
Informative article.. Thanks for posting..
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 27, 2014 18:48:18 GMT -5
Catching up on today's action (not that we care a whole lot after dispatching the Hoosiers):
Kentucky 58, Louisville 50. Final in Louisville KY. North Carolina 89, Alabama-Birmignham 58. Final in Chapel Hill NC. Maryland 63, Oakland 56. 3:57 to play in the second half in College Park MD. Gonzaga 31, Brigham Young 23. 6:20 to play in the first half in Provo UT.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 27, 2014 18:52:56 GMT -5
Rosemount was rockin when the Meyer's were coaching Depaul with Mark Aquirre, Terry Cummings, Dallas Comegys, Rod Strickland. When the Meyer's were pushed out, the whole program collapsed and hasn't recovered in 25 years. Be careful what you wish for when trying to push out a coaching dynasty. My uncle was a starter on the 79 final four team, there is still a lot of pride in the DePaul program. Just need to build back up respectability. How does your uncle feel about the Meyers being pushed out. Does he feel that was a mistake?
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 27, 2014 21:08:58 GMT -5
Ohio State 100, Wright State 55. Final in Columbus OH. Gonzaga 87, Brigham Young 80. Final in Provo UT. Maryland 72, Oakland 56. Final in College Park MD. Georgia 86, Mercer (1-9) 77. Final in triple overtime in Athens GA.
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Post by nathanhm on Dec 27, 2014 22:29:45 GMT -5
My uncle was a starter on the 79 final four team, there is still a lot of pride in the DePaul program. Just need to build back up respectability. How does your uncle feel about the Meyers being pushed out. Does he feel that was a mistake? He doesn't talk about it much, I'd have to ask him
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 27, 2014 22:30:05 GMT -5
Upset alert. With 11:38 to play in the second half in Las Cruces NM, New Mexico State leads #24 Colorado State, 35-29.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 27, 2014 23:02:42 GMT -5
Looks like we may be leapfrogging over Colorado State into the Top 25. At the end of regulation, Colorado State (12-0) and New Mexico State (5-8) are tied at 51-51. The Rams and Aggies are both shooting under 40% from the field for the game, and CSU hasn't hit a three-point shot all game.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 27, 2014 23:26:23 GMT -5
Colorado State survives in overtime, 58-57, over New Mexico State. The Rams only shot 35% from the field, but the Aggies were not much better (38%) and turned the ball over seventeen times.
Maybe I'm biased, but I can't quite believe that anyone who follows basketball will vote to keep CSU ranked after this performance, irrespective of whether the Hoyas should be ranked.
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