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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 25, 2014 22:46:04 GMT -5
Bowen, for example, can't shoot from the perimeter. A guy who shoots less than 25% gets 1 a game. If he makes, he gets a couple more. If he misses - well, we do not have any leeway on offense, can't afford to have a non-shooter wasting possessions(of course our problem is that we have plenty of other ways to waste them. I understand what you're saying but I'd rather have him at least take that 1 per game. If he misses, oh well, if he makes try a few more, maybe his shot will be on. I never played Div 1 basketball but in Yates and even in HS basketball, as a stretch 4, I had games where I was more on from outside so coaches would urge me to take at least one per game. You're last sentence is the key to my point, we are wasting possessions in so many ways, why not add one other that will help open up the inside if it potentially goes in. Nate, Mikael and AB all took one and missed badly.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Jan 25, 2014 22:47:20 GMT -5
It will be really nice to get Jabril back. I know he's not a great shooter,and it made me unsure of his impact earlier this season, but he gets into the lane, gets to the basket, and gets fouled. You can bet he'll bring a whole lot of fire back on the court with him too. Not counting on him to be a savior by any means, but it's definitely something positive to look forward to. We don't have many near term things of that nature on the horizon. Roll the dice with a starks, dsr, jabril, cameron, hopkins lineup. Starks, DSR, and Jabril can get to the hoop. Starks, DSR, and Cameron can shoot from deep. Hopkins can drive from the high post and has the ability to score in the post depending on matchups. That lineup might be able to get some momentum on offense, or at least more than we currently have.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 25, 2014 22:49:04 GMT -5
I thought we actually drove a decent amount, MCI. But you need bigs or wing players to do it. It goes back to having three heavy rotation players (all bigs) who are not threats. True but we didn't post up enough when we had Roy and he was hitting some godly like fg percentage. We didn't post up enough nearly as much as we should when we had G. Monroe either. Those guys spent too many moments near the FT line with their backs to to the basket as they waited to hand off the ball to a teammate. Completely agree about past years. But I think this year we have been a fair amount. Certainly with Josh. Even tonight IG was clear we wanted to pound it in to Mikael at the start. He missed his first few.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 22:50:58 GMT -5
Whittington, Smith and Trawick is not here..
No one is going to give us an asterick next to these losses.
It is up JTIII to continue to help the players win games.
Defensively I thought we were good.
Offensively, I would like to have seen more adjustments.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 25, 2014 22:58:24 GMT -5
This group has a lot going against them with the personnel losses they've had. We're handicapped in a huge way offensively. However, the insanely one-sided reffing in the first half did us no favors. I know that no one likes blaming the refs and, in actuality, I don't. But it was complete horsecrap for the the first 15 of the first half and it seemed that the attitude changed on our side by the end of the first half. Phantom fouls, the ball that Cameron saved and was called the other way, the "foul" on Bowen when he got an elbow from Nate, The first on Mikael followed very closely by the two hands on DSR with no call, that a-hole that didn't get touched on the three by Cameron, etc, etc. I know it's verboten to blame anything on the officials. But this team is spread so thin that any advantage given to the other team plays a role. The officiating was exceedingly one-sided in the first. Thankfully, I knew we should lose this game so I didn't put my foot through the TV but it really was bull.
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Post by dense on Jan 25, 2014 22:59:35 GMT -5
Is our defense even any better now that Smith's out? How much of a liability was he if we aren't much worse defensively with him gone? Anyways if you don't think this team is much improved with Trawick, Smith and Greg then I think you are either lying or brain dead. Just the added depth would have changed the results of 2 games. Sleepy this team is getting blown out. We have all 4 returning starters from last year's team in the game. The guys "filing in" are veteran players and a highly-recruited freshman. This team is hurt but by no means devoid of talent or experience. All five starters for Providence are averaging 30+ minutes due to early season issues. Why are they not dog tired or getting blown out? Apples and oranges. Provy plays alot of zone and there guys who are out went out during or right before exam time. Im sure they had a chance to gel.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 25, 2014 23:00:29 GMT -5
Is our defense even any better now that Smith's out? How much of a liability was he if we aren't much worse defensively with him gone? Anyways if you don't think this team is much improved with Trawick, Smith and Greg then I think you are either lying or brain dead. Just the added depth would have changed the results of 2 games. Sleepy this team is getting blown out. We have all 4 returning starters from last year's team in the game. The guys "filing in" are veteran players and a highly-recruited freshman. This team is hurt but by no means devoid of talent or experience. All five starters for Providence are averaging 30+ minutes due to early season issues. Why are they not dog tired or getting blown out? We got beat convincingly tonight but not blown out by any means. To a team rated in the top five in Pomeroy on the road. We lost our last game in OT. Lost at a difficult Xavier team by around ten after leading much of the way. Yes, got blown out by PC (and Kansas). You don't think we win one or two with another player or two?
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Post by tashoya on Jan 25, 2014 23:01:12 GMT -5
Whittington, Smith and Trawick is not here.. No one is going to give us an asterick next to these losses. It is up JTIII to continue to help the players win games. Defensively I thought we were good. Offensively, I would like to have seen more adjustments. TJI, at this point, no offense, but you're a broken record. It's not informative to post suggestions with no actual suggestions. What adjustments would you like to see?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 25, 2014 23:06:34 GMT -5
Apples and oranges. Provy plays alot of zone and there guys who are out went out during or right before exam time. Im sure they had a chance to gel. Two different issues here. Agree on the second one - PC lost key players at the beginning of the season and did not have to retool on the fly as the Hoyas have had to do. Guys playing 30+ minutes a game is a different issue. The Hoyas are not playing exclusively man-to-man this year, they're playing a lot of zone too. Of the two issues, the first one (team not gelling yet) has the most to do with their defensive lapses IMO. The coach and the players both cited communication issues as the major problem on defense over the past stretch. Dropping off a three point shooter has far more to do with bad decision making and poor communication within a defense than with fatigue, but then that's just my apparently uneducated opinion.
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Post by dense on Jan 25, 2014 23:09:33 GMT -5
Apples and oranges. Provy plays alot of zone and there guys who are out went out during or right before exam time. Im sure they had a chance to gel. Two different issues here. Agree on the second one - PC lost key players at the beginning of the season and did not have to retool on the fly as the Hoyas have had to do. Guys playing 30+ minutes a game is a different issue. The Hoyas are not playing exclusively man-to-man this year, they're playing a lot of zone too. Of the two issues, the first one (team not gelling yet) has the most to do with their defensive lapses IMO. The coach and the players both cited communication issues as the major problem on defense over the past stretch. Dropping off a three point shooter has far more to do with bad decision making and poor communication within a defense than with fatigue, but then that's just my apparently uneducated opinion. But i know the issue that was being discussed was leaving the shooters open but im talking about how we vant keep anyone out of the lane has alot to do with fatigue.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 25, 2014 23:13:37 GMT -5
Two different issues here. Agree on the second one - PC lost key players at the beginning of the season and did not have to retool on the fly as the Hoyas have had to do. Guys playing 30+ minutes a game is a different issue. The Hoyas are not playing exclusively man-to-man this year, they're playing a lot of zone too. Of the two issues, the first one (team not gelling yet) has the most to do with their defensive lapses IMO. The coach and the players both cited communication issues as the major problem on defense over the past stretch. Dropping off a three point shooter has far more to do with bad decision making and poor communication within a defense than with fatigue, but then that's just my apparently uneducated opinion. But i know the issue that was being discussed was leaving the shooters open but im talking about how we vant keep anyone out of the lane has alot to do with fatigue. No fair moving the goalposts in the middle of a discussion. I'm not sure I would blame that all on fatigue. DSR and Cameron were letting that happen from the beginning of the year; Starks as well though not quite as much. Our guards have a hard time stopping entry passes too, and have had for longer than just this year - Clark and Freeman used to do it quite often as well.
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Post by guru on Jan 25, 2014 23:23:58 GMT -5
Games like this - this entire season in fact - makes you appreciate how incredible Otto was last year. Almost literally a one man team.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 23:24:32 GMT -5
Whittington, Smith and Trawick is not here.. No one is going to give us an asterick next to these losses. It is up JTIII to continue to help the players win games. Defensively I thought we were good. Offensively, I would like to have seen more adjustments. TJI, at this point, no offense, but you're a broken record. It's not informative to post suggestions with no actual suggestions. What adjustments would you like to see? 1. I do not understand why when we are down...we do not try to run more... Too many times I see Bowen or Cameron or Hopper get the rebound and instead of them pushing the ball up court to look for a basket... They slow it down give the ball to DSR or Starks and let them walk the ball across half court to run an offensive set... Makes no sense to do this when the clock is working against us (Players are being coached to do that even to a fault) 2. Our front court bigs by the free throw line...I think MCI is right on this one. They are struggling to finish around the rim...why have them out there passing handing off the ball to the guards when points are needed It just adds to the confirmation that the offense struggles to catch opponents from behind 3. This will not factor into this year, but going forward...teams know our offense I think this has been more evident in the NCAA's, it does not look like the offense adjusts to opponents defensive adjustments. Tonight just about every time DSR touched the ball he was double teamed. Here is my question... If we are not running the Princeton Offense..what are we running?? It seems like teams know Bowen, Moses, Hopper and Nate will come out to the perimeter to set screens...I have seen it work less and less as the season progresses.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 25, 2014 23:25:53 GMT -5
If Hopkins could finish, he would be dangerous. But he can't, so he's not. Credit for taking it to the hole and trying, though.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 23:28:27 GMT -5
If Hopkins could finish, he would be dangerous. But he can't, so he's not. Credit for taking it to the hole and trying, though. Hopper tonight was 5/10 FG's for 14pts So it was a 50/50 chance...but he is just not consistent to score like that game in and game out.
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Post by dense on Jan 25, 2014 23:30:02 GMT -5
But i know the issue that was being discussed was leaving the shooters open but im talking about how we vant keep anyone out of the lane has alot to do with fatigue. No fair moving the goalposts in the middle of a discussion. I'm not sure I would blame that all on fatigue. DSR and Cameron were letting that happen from the beginning of the year; Starks as well though not quite as much. Our guards have a hard time stopping entry passes too, and have had for longer than just this year - Clark and Freeman used to do it quite often as well. No I just was talking of the totality of the issue not just those plays. I did butt in on that convo but I was talking about what I saw.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 25, 2014 23:31:02 GMT -5
Wragge was 9-14 27 pts. vs. Nova.. 3-4 1st half vs. Hoyas, second half 0 points ..
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Post by dense on Jan 25, 2014 23:33:12 GMT -5
Also its as bad as its ever been letting people pentrate. I'm sorry
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 23:38:00 GMT -5
The team had a hard time guarding Austin Chatman..
He is very quick and was able to either draw a foul or get an assist.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 26, 2014 0:48:33 GMT -5
Two different issues here. Agree on the second one - PC lost key players at the beginning of the season and did not have to retool on the fly as the Hoyas have had to do. Guys playing 30+ minutes a game is a different issue. The Hoyas are not playing exclusively man-to-man this year, they're playing a lot of zone too. Of the two issues, the first one (team not gelling yet) has the most to do with their defensive lapses IMO. The coach and the players both cited communication issues as the major problem on defense over the past stretch. Dropping off a three point shooter has far more to do with bad decision making and poor communication within a defense than with fatigue, but then that's just my apparently uneducated opinion. But i know the issue that was being discussed was leaving the shooters open but im talking about how we vant keep anyone out of the lane has alot to do with fatigue. We can't keep anyone out of the lane because we have bad defensive guards laterally. We played man the whole game tonight so it showed. The guards were equally as bad last year but we played zone probably 90% of the season so you could hide the deficiencies. Markel is averaging 2 more minutes per game this year than he did last year and DSR is at the same minutes per game that Markel was at last year. They shouldn't be so fatigued in JANUARY playing twice a week that they are so tired minutes into the game they can't stay in front of their men. There is obviously a depth problem and no one is denying that but blaming poor defense on fatigue is pretty comical. Have you seen Bowen or Cameron defend someone? DSR and Markel aren't horrible but laterally they aren't quick enough to guard anyone straight up defensively. Hence the zone that was effective the last two years because of our length.
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