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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 25, 2014 22:08:34 GMT -5
Does JTIII beat these players if they miss a shot?? I just don't understand how no one except Markel and DSR are willing to take a shot outside of the paint, even if they are WIDE OPEN. Maybe the players read this board and don't want to be criticized (get called "dumb") if they miss. Seriously I was just tossing my hands up in the air when Cameron was hesitating. But the others? When the only shots available to them 85% of the times is a jumpshot from a distance of at least 18 feet I don't blame them for being hesitant. That's not their game.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 22:08:47 GMT -5
We need to recruit bigs who can finish around the rim...Nate and Moses struggled tonight.
Need more players who can jump shoot too...
Way too easy to defend with only 2.5 players willing to take a shot during the game.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 25, 2014 22:08:57 GMT -5
Guess the bookies had a good handle on this one. This team has three conference wins: DePaul, Butler and St. John's.
Simply stated, this is not a good team right now due to poor recruiting, academic problems, injury and some bad luck.
We need to ride this season out and hope the new kids can really play.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 25, 2014 22:09:54 GMT -5
Does JTIII beat these players if they miss a shot?? I just don't understand how no one except Markel and DSR are willing to take a shot outside of the paint, even if they are WIDE OPEN. Reggie continues to gain more confidence. Nobody else can shoot. An outside shot by a bad shooter is - a bad shot. If you are a perimeter player you need to take at least one or two outside shots a game...just to keep the defense honest. A few will go in. Especially when they are playing off you 5 feet.
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Post by richfame on Jan 25, 2014 22:09:57 GMT -5
This is the worst Georgetown team I've seen in a long time. I can't even say well at least we have 3 or 4 great freshmen that are getting great experience for a big run next year. We have one good player coming back next year in dsr.
Our final four run feels like 10 years ago especially with all the flameouts in the past 4 years in the NCAA tournament. There must be accountability for this poor product. We need change. If next years recruiting class is a dud then Thompson will or should not survive it.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 22:10:01 GMT -5
Does JTIII beat these players if they miss a shot?? I just don't understand how no one except Markel and DSR are willing to take a shot outside of the paint, even if they are WIDE OPEN. Reggie continues to gain more confidence. Nobody else can shoot. An outside shot by a bad shooter is - a bad shot. If u are on the court u have to shoot it... It does the offense no good to pass an open shot for a worst contested shot.
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Post by jackdog74 on Jan 25, 2014 22:11:14 GMT -5
We're just missing too many players. Having either Smith or Trawick in this game would have kept it much closer. Having both would have made it a pick'em game. Smith, Trawick, and Whittington and we win easily. Bottom line -- this team right now is nowhere near what JTIII expected. This would happen to any team in college basketball if that much talent was lost. The one thing I do like is that down by 12 or so with around a minute left our guys are STILL diving into the stands to get a steal. I can live with that kind of effort the rest of the season.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 25, 2014 22:11:32 GMT -5
We will have to disagree. We are not as bad as many of the pundits on this board would have us believe. This too shall pass and we will learn from this trying time.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Jan 25, 2014 22:12:34 GMT -5
Markel, Bowen, and Hopkins are hugely deserving of praise for their efforts tonight. Everybody played hard, but you could literally see the loss angering these three and they refused to back down until the final buzzer. Bowen jumped into the third row for a loose ball in a game that was very much decided. Proud of their play despite the outcome.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 25, 2014 22:14:15 GMT -5
1. I thought, overall, the defensive scheme and effort was excellent. Great job on McDermott. Lost the shooters a few times and our personnel is prone to that. But I liked the scheme.
2. It is a miracle -- a miracle -- that we score even as much as we do with the offensive pieces. There are no sets, no preparation, no nothing that allows you to score when you always have three guys out there that are not a threat outside of three feet. Cameron is an exception but he is tentative and a major detriment on the boards and d.
3. Mikael was good. I mean nothing spectacular, but if we got that from him every night we would have another win or two.
4. Whoever said the bigs have to drive from the high post is exactly right. With Nate it is confidence. He there up that air ball so he wasn't going to look to do anything after that. Mikael does at least.
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Post by richfame on Jan 25, 2014 22:14:42 GMT -5
We will have to disagree. We are not as bad as many of the pundits on this board would have us believe. This too shall pass and we will learn from this trying time. Your kidding. This season could get real ugly fast. God forbid we had Syracuse and uconn on the schedule. We might have won 15 games.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 22:15:04 GMT -5
People need to understand something...yea we have Trawick and Smith here...how good are we really
They were here and we were not world beaters...
Josh Smtih is a defensive liability and cannot run the court
Jabril Trawick cannot jump shoot...
We would still have offensive issues
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 25, 2014 22:15:35 GMT -5
It has been 30 years since the HOYAS one it all, tough to get top level talent without the real exposure in April. we need some great post talent to build a team around. Another Roy would be nice.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 25, 2014 22:15:52 GMT -5
Creighton with 26 FT attempts to 11 for the Hoyas, continuing a season-long discrepancy. It ain't just this season either. But this is a topic that many here only are willing to discuss after disappointing NCAA tourney losses. As soon as the regular season is under the way however any such breaching of the subject leads to "so you think you know how bettet to coach this team than III blah, blah, blah". It is simple. If you don't drive more often to the basket you will get less FT attempts. Refs tend to respect aggression. If you don't make it part of the game plan to post up on a regular basis and shoot enough short range shots, you will get less FT attempts. It doesn't help of course that the head coach will not call out the refs for one-sided calls. That may be the honorable and classy thing to do but if III thinks the refs will reward him for taking the high road he is terribly mistaken.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2014 22:16:40 GMT -5
To be fair (and I'm still a big Vee fan) neither Vee nor JB would have any eligibility left and JB plays a much easier schedule (Vee, too, to a lesser extent). But yeah, we're not good at offense. I know they wouldn't but the point still holds. Why do we recruit these kids and then put them in a position to transfer? We clearly have two more potentially on the way and that just puts us further behind in building a cohesive unit and more importantly, quality depth. I think it is a safe assumption that Vee transferred because of role, etc., and I'll never understand III's lack of willingness to play him entirely. But does anyone know why Benimon left? The dude was getting over 10 minutes a game for 32 games even though he wasn't very good. He got more minutes than Markel did that year! He was a legit part of the rotation, behind Hollis, Henry and Vaughn. How many more minutes would you have fed to Benimon? Even Vee got about 5 minutes per game (across 27 games). Furthermore, did Vee's/Benimon's transfers really hurt? The next year Jabril, Markel, Greg and Jason Clark made for a nice rotation, and last year we weren't awful at guard, either. I'm sure Vee could've helped, but our issues this year are lack of development, injury, academics, early entry and inability to close on some big men. Not transfers. Historically, the transfers that have left and performed well have almost always been ones that came from rotation players: Macklin, Egerson, Benimon. Sanford is the lone exception, unless I am forgetting someone.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 25, 2014 22:17:57 GMT -5
Tough to watch the Hoyas play knowing they are completely over-matched. Anyone who bothers to watch the Hoyas can tell right away the lack of any frontcourt scoring threat leaves the offense so off-balance and easy to defend. I feel bad for Markel, as a senior that has improved each season, this has to be tough to take.
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Post by wisconsinhoya on Jan 25, 2014 22:18:09 GMT -5
Creighton with 26 FT attempts to 11 for the Hoyas, continuing a season-long discrepancy.
I agree. I can't believe that we are now almost through the month of January and we still haven't figured out how to guard our opponents without fouling.
Aside from the academic issues of Greg & Josh which we have no control over, our complete inability to guard anyone without fouling is one of the most frustrating things of this season.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 25, 2014 22:19:43 GMT -5
We need to recruit bigs who can finish around the rim...Nate and Moses struggled tonight. It is more than that, my man. If the Hoyas get those players they need to put those guys in a position to be more of a scoring threat in the paint rather than having them play at least half of their offensive possessions around the free throw line. And I was saying this even during the days of Hibbert and Monroe. That's why I was happy to see how Josh was being used during the first weeks of the season. It showed me III was at least willing to go that route.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 22:19:52 GMT -5
It has been 30 years since the HOYAS one it all, tough to get top level talent without the real exposure in April. we need some great post talent to build a team around. Another Roy would be nice. I the NCAA post season matters...the more success u have and exposure the better the recruits u can obtain.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2014 22:20:13 GMT -5
Creighton is the #2 ranked team in Ken Pomeroy's system. It's not infallible, but let's not pretend Creighton is not simply better than us.
I thought we mostly played well except for a couple of streaks. We shot like crap. We were playing a good team.
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