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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2013 16:45:02 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that this game was played in NOVEMBER. The coaching staff has a lot to work on right now and it seems like everyone's patience will be tested while the team's weaknesses are addressed. But it is still NOVEMBER. And then there will be December, which might have its trying moments too. But given the top 20 level of play that we as fans have been treated to for years I'm confident that improvements will be made and this team will be in a good place going into league play. It was a bad loss, but its early people. Put away the shovels... We were demolished for over twenty minutes by NORTHEASTERN on a neutral court. Nothing here is an overreaction. It's the worst Hoya performance in years. Not NEARLY as bad of a loss as the NCAA debacle against Florida Upstairs Technical Institute of Garbage. Northeastern is way better than that bunch, and at least this game was in November. |
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Post by royski on Nov 21, 2013 16:46:06 GMT -5
We were demolished for over twenty minutes by NORTHEASTERN on a neutral court. Nothing here is an overreaction. It's the worst Hoya performance in years. Not NEARLY as bad of a loss as the NCAA debacle against Florida Upstairs Technical Institute of Garbage. Northeastern is way better than that bunch, and at least this game was in November. Gulf Coast made the SWEET 16!!!! Northeastern couldn't carry their jock strap. That was a bigger game, but this loss is much worse. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 21, 2013 16:46:47 GMT -5
I recognize that I may be in the minority on this point, but I was surprised and disappointed to see so many people play so many minutes in the first half. That's where I thought the game was lost. The Hoyas got out to a comfortable early lead, had a chance to put the game away, and then started to rotate players constantly. Again, I know many disagree, but I'm fine with principally an 8 man rotation, particularly given the composition of this team. But in past year's JTII has been criticized for exactly what you suggest in OCC. The criticism has always been that OCC should be used to play everyone and develop players who can help us later in the season rather than just relying on 6 guys like JTIII did in OCC the last couple years. I get that, that's why I said I knew I was in the minority. I had no problem with a short bench then and no problem with it now. That's because, to me, you need to take care of winning first. People who want an expanded rotation need to reconcile that with the possibility that doing so will result in games being closer late than would otherwise be the case. And some of those games will turn into losses. Like this one. Not all games are won and lost at the end. Maybe at the end of the day and the end of the year, the playing experience will outweigh the bad loss. Could be. This was a bad loss, no doubt about it. But this wasn't a loss to an RPI 250 team (at least I don't think it was). Probably not significantly worse than our loss to South Florida last year. |
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2013 16:51:40 GMT -5
But in past year's JTII has been criticized for exactly what you suggest in OCC. The criticism has always been that OCC should be used to play everyone and develop players who can help us later in the season rather than just relying on 6 guys like JTIII did in OCC the last couple years. I get that, that's why I said I knew I was in the minority. I had no problem with a short bench then and no problem with it now. That's because, to me, you need to take care of winning first. People who want an expanded rotation need to reconcile that with the possibility that doing so will result in games being closer late than would otherwise be the case. And some of those games will turn into losses. Like this one. Not all games are won and lost at the end. Maybe at the end of the day and the end of the year, the playing experience will outweigh the bad loss. Could be. This was a bad loss, no doubt about it. But this wasn't a loss to an RPI 250 team (at least I don't think it was). Probably not significantly worse than our loss to South Florida last year. True but maybe it's time to change things up. That was the big criticism of III that he didn't play enough guys during OCC. If you look at Rick Pitino his strategy seems to be to slowly build up his teams to peak at the right moment (BET and NCAAS). There's always that period in december, january where Lousivlle has a meltdown and Pitno does a press conference where he says the team isn't very good and they need to fix things. |
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Nov 21, 2013 16:56:32 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that this game was played in NOVEMBER. The coaching staff has a lot to work on right now and it seems like everyone's patience will be tested while the team's weaknesses are addressed. But it is still NOVEMBER. And then there will be December, which might have its trying moments too. But given the top 20 level of play that we as fans have been treated to for years I'm confident that improvements will be made and this team will be in a good place going into league play. It was a bad loss, but its early people. Put away the shovels... We were demolished for over twenty minutes by NORTHEASTERN on a neutral court. Nothing here is an overreaction. It's the worst Hoya performance in years. I guess you haven't read all the posts then...  But really, this was a bad loss, maybe the worst loss in years, depending on who's judging them, but it is still NOVEMBER. Anyone digging graves right now is a fool. They have played three games out of what 35 or so? And you think the story of this team has been written now? Maybe they will struggle all year or maybe they will win out in January and February and go into March strong. Probably somewhere in between, but it is NOVEMBER and right now we just don't know. The team has been a consistent top 15 performer for years and that doesn't result from luck. Give them a chance to fix what's broke. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 21, 2013 17:09:39 GMT -5
True story. Last season, sometime between January 8 (Pittsburgh: 73, Georgetown: 45) and January 16 (the day it was publicly announced that GW would be academically ineligible), I had a friend with an inside scoop tell me that Greg would be out the rest of the season. My response: The season is over. This team was terrible with him on the floor. There's no hope without him.
True, last season did not end as we would have liked, but I think we can all agree that it would have been foolish to give up at that point, and if I had, I would have missed some very fun, very exciting, very big wins. I hope the "it's over" feeling that I have today is wrong, too.
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Post by TC on Nov 21, 2013 17:17:21 GMT -5
Silver cloud : I like that we are learning our "don't sleep on any team" lesson before the tournament this year.
Otherwise, bad times.
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Post by gujake on Nov 21, 2013 17:18:56 GMT -5
We are fouling at an incredible rate through the first three games. Our defensive FTA/FGA is now up to 65%. That puts us at about 330th in the country.
Small sample, of course. And just one of many problems.
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Post by deacon on Nov 21, 2013 17:19:49 GMT -5
Who played better than him. Not Markel or Lubick that's for sure. If you watched the game you would know. He's the only one who stepped up to keep the game close in the 2nd half while everyone else just stood around on offense. The mere fact that no one played better than him does not mean he played well. No one played well today. Literally no one. Thank you. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Nov 21, 2013 17:31:55 GMT -5
The mere fact that no one played better than him does not mean he played well. No one played well today. Literally no one. Thank you. You're welcome. |
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Nov 21, 2013 17:42:30 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that this game was played in NOVEMBER. The coaching staff has a lot to work on right now and it seems like everyone's patience will be tested while the team's weaknesses are addressed. But it is still NOVEMBER. And then there will be December, which might have its trying moments too. But given the top 20 level of play that we as fans have been treated to for years I'm confident that improvements will be made and this team will be in a good place going into league play. It was a bad loss, but its early people. Put away the shovels... We were demolished for over twenty minutes by NORTHEASTERN on a neutral court. Nothing here is an overreaction. It's the worst Hoya performance in years. Exactly. And I would feel better if i actually believed the staff could improve things by the end of the season, but the past several NCAA flameouts tell me otherwise. |
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Post by royski on Nov 21, 2013 18:01:10 GMT -5
Josh Smith can't be getting 16 minutes in a game. I don't care about any excuses. He's gotta be out there for 25 mpg. The defense suffers obviously, but we lost today because we scored 20 points in the 2nd half. Josh had 9 (on 5 shots) and 6 in 16 minutes tonight. He's by far our most talented scorer, and he needs to be on the court, especially against a scrub team like this that has nobody to guard him.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 21, 2013 18:16:24 GMT -5
Good. Maybe we got it out of our system early this year.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2013 18:26:33 GMT -5
Not NEARLY as bad of a loss as the NCAA debacle against Florida Upstairs Technical Institute of Garbage. Northeastern is way better than that bunch, and at least this game was in November. Gulf Coast made the SWEET 16!!!! Northeastern couldn't carry their jock strap. That was a bigger game, but this loss is much worse. Agree to disagree. Florida Upstairs Technical Institute of Garbage was woefully unskilled and unathletic- from my perspective, much more so than Northeastern. |
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Post by chep3 on Nov 21, 2013 18:36:06 GMT -5
That sucked. I have nothing else to add.
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Post by mapei on Nov 21, 2013 19:01:32 GMT -5
I just watched this ugly game on the DVR. As far as I could tell, we couldn't score, defend, or rebound. The whole team played like inferior, unskilled, very slow athletes. We may rise to the occasion here and there, and maybe beat a ranked team once or twice, but that may just be who we are this year. Frankly, I just don't think we're that good without Otto and with Smith. As for the backcourt, we're supposed to be near-elite, but Jabril so far seems to have regressed. Markel had his worst game in memory. DSR fought in the last few minutes but was MIA for much of the game.
Oh, and our opponents are loving the idea that we might play Moses and Joshua together - I just can't see that helping anything. We're already ridiculously slow.
I'll be rooting hard for us in every game, but in the first three I'm not seeing much to inspire confidence against real D1 basketball teams.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 21, 2013 19:03:34 GMT -5
Very sad very embarassing. One of the worst hoya folds ever Let them come back from 14 down in the second half to tie. THEN they out scored us by 21 in the second half. outplayed outhustled out d'ed out o'd our rebbied just totally outed. MUST MOVE MOVE MOVE AND MOVE ONE> yup it is just a game played by 18-22 year old student ahtletes but GOTTA WORK IT OUT SOON. go hoyas Bad outing for sure.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 21, 2013 19:04:01 GMT -5
ps WISH it was just three point or OT. wish it.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 21, 2013 19:05:17 GMT -5
one GOOD thing for the future greg DID go with the team to PR yup very good thing..
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Post by lda05816 on Nov 21, 2013 19:13:02 GMT -5
Really, really bad loss to a team that should've been put away early in the 2nd half. However, it's been 3 games, this team will find itself and be fine. Also, whoever thinks Hopkins needs more minutes doesn't see the same guy I do.
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