FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Jan 31, 2013 12:33:13 GMT -5
I don't understand what all these students are "working" on. Is it finals? Don't they know it's college?
This just doesn't compute. Anything done after 6 pm should be done after at least six drinks.
I miss college.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 31, 2013 12:34:47 GMT -5
Seriously. I'm as disturbed by the amount of work these kids are doing as how few come to the games.
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Post by boxout05 on Jan 31, 2013 12:35:02 GMT -5
Don't need to be Superfan to head down to Verizon for that game.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 31, 2013 12:39:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure that I understand the transporation issue from GU to the Verizon Center. Any GU-sponsored buses? I know, when I was on campus in Oct., I took the GU shuttle to the Dupont Circle station every day. Is that a possibility for students if there is no dedicated buses to the game? And what metro stop is the Verizon on?
Of course, in my days we played all our home games in McD, but we traveled to a bunch of away games too, especially during my senior year. Our best record during my time at GU was 15-10 and we never made any postseason tournament.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 31, 2013 12:45:54 GMT -5
It's really easy to get to verizon. You can take the regular GUTS bus to dupont and take the metro, take a guts bus to rosslyn and take the metro, there are a couple of metro busses that go to the verizon center from georgetown, a cab was my preferred method, get a few friends and it was only 2-3 bucks a person as cheap as the metro and less time. It's all really easy. It's just an excuse. The kids just don't care an that's sad. I don't know why kids don't want to go watch quality basketball and drink beer with their friends. It boggles the mind.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 31, 2013 12:47:47 GMT -5
The best metro stops are Metro Center (from Rosslyn) or Gallery Place (from Dupont). They used to run buses all the way to games, but I think they did away with that. Now they run buses to the metro stops. It really shouldn't take more than 45 minutes or an hour to get there if you bus to Rosslyn and hop on the Metro during peak hours. It's maybe a 15 minute ride once you're on the Metro in Rosslyn followed by a 5 minute walk from the Metro station to the arena.
Part of it is also some of the students (at least in my days) thought they would be immediately shot if they went west of Dupont (and maybe the occassional cab trip to 18th street). So they feel like they need to cab it or take a bus instead of just riding the Metro. Basically, some students are kind of lame...
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 31, 2013 12:48:31 GMT -5
Also, Metro has been single-tracking for about a week now, and the red line has been less than consistent. "Switch problems" and all sorts of other BS have also caused delays on blue and orange. So while the Metro is available, it is not an efficient way to get from GU to Verizon.
The University should be doing something. Period. End of sentence. Our low student attendance not only reflects terribly on the school, but it also means that students are not getting the opportunity to participate in a great community-building activity.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Jan 31, 2013 12:49:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure that I understand the transporation from GU to the Verizon Center. Any GU-sponsored buses? I know, when I was on campus in Oct., I took the GU shuttle to the Dupont Circle station every day. Is that a possibility for students if there is no dedicated buses to the game? And what metro stop is the Verizon on? Of course, in my days we played all our home games in McD, but we traveled to a bunch of away games too, especially during my senior year. Our best record during my time at GU was 15-10 and we never made any postseason tournament. They used to have buses dedicated to taking the students right from McDonough to Rosslyn for the games--like 5 or 6 lined up. Yes they have the buses that go from campus to Dupont and Rosslyn now but they are smaller and less frequent. They also used to have 2-3 buses lined up outside of Verizon to truck students back to campus... My guess is that the buses to Rosslyn didn't go to Verizon because it traveled during rush hour and the buses back were fine coming all of the way to campus because it was later in the night--if anyone had that ?
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 31, 2013 12:52:01 GMT -5
Strummer, I commute on the Metro every day. I hate the Metro. But they definitely have not been single tracking for a week. They do that on the weekends, but they don't do it on weekdays unless something breaks. Anyway, the Metro is still a very efficient way to get anywhere, especially on a week night heading INTO the city. If any students aren't coming to games because they have to wait 7 minutes for an orange line train, they are terrible and they should feel terrible.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 31, 2013 12:57:01 GMT -5
Strummer, I commute on the Metro every day. I hate the Metro. But they definitely have not been single tracking for a week. They do that on the weekends, but they don't do it on weekdays unless something breaks. Anyway, the Metro is still a very efficient way to get anywhere, especially on a week night heading INTO the city. If any students aren't coming to games because they have to wait 7 minutes for an orange line train, they are terrible and they should feel terrible. Last night, they were single tracking from Chinatown towards Shady Grove, at least according to the announcement that the conductor made. And after the train I got on, there was none for another 20 minutes. I also use the Metro every day and find it to be infuriating. I could see why students would not love the idea of standing around on a Metro platform while "track work" or some other nonsense delays trains by 10, 15, sometimes 20+ minutes.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 31, 2013 12:58:36 GMT -5
Right, they sometimes single track when a train breaks down. That's not the norm. It happens more than it should, but it's still not the norm.
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Post by boxout05 on Jan 31, 2013 13:01:17 GMT -5
With the amount of students that showed up last night, they could have split a cab.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 31, 2013 13:11:07 GMT -5
Getting to the Verizon Center midweek is not that trivial of a task. It's probably an hour each way; quicker if you cab back, but getting there for a 7:00 PM tip means getting over the bridge or driving through town during rush hour. In this case, that's 3.5-4 hours to see a game that we really ought to win, so best case scenario it's a beat down against a terrible team. Or you can take a Capital Bikeshare bike from the front gates and be there in 25 minutes, no problem. Or split a $12-15 cab ride with a few friends. Or walk all of 4 blocks to Wisconsin Ave and take a 32, 36 or Circulator bus (one of which will show up every 3-5 minutes during rush hour) either to Foggy Bottom Metro or all the way to 3-4 blocks away from Verizon, in about 45-50 minutes. Or walk to Reservoir Road, and hop on a D6 bus, which drops off one block from Verizon. Also 45-50 minutes. Or walk to 35th and Dent, and grab the D6, or the D1 that runs to a few blocks from Verizon (13th and G), or the D2 that runs to Dupont Metro. Or walk, which takes 60-75 minutes. If you're interested in getting there, transportation shouldn't be a problem. Building (or maintaining) the interest seems to be the problem.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 31, 2013 13:24:29 GMT -5
I was going to mention walking. About 3 miles which should be no big deal for a youngster. Possibility that having beers near VC isn't an option for undergrads as I assume most/many are underage? I've noticed (at least at Clyde's) there seems to be a fairly robust enforcement against underage drinking and have seen many carded.
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Post by hoyaclap on Jan 31, 2013 13:27:51 GMT -5
These excuses may not be enough for dedicated/diehards that populate these boards, but when you start adding up a series of individual inconveniences/detractions it's not that hard to wonder why last night had such poor turnout. Nothing new here. 1) Transportation to Verizon is a minor burden 2) weeknight games are a minor burden 3) Seton Hall sucks and haven't been consistently good in years, so current students don't care about them even if they were half decent. (See: Providence).
Don't forget these moments when it comes to conference realignment. Having conference opponents that are good and regarded enough to draw fans on weeknights is important for Georgetown more than any other of the "C7." If we can't even assure that with longstanding rivals that are in the current plans can make that happen, it's then even more important that the whatever new school that come in pick up the slack.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Jan 31, 2013 13:53:06 GMT -5
1) The present day, average Georgetown student, could not care less about college basketball. Many become fans when they step on campus, but how many Georgetown students followed college basketball growing up? Maaaaybe 5%? And that extends to sports in general. How many Georgetown students are "die hard" sports fans?
2)"Ohhhhh it's soooo academically rigorous I can't possibly spend three hours of my time doing something other than studying." It's absolute bs. I feel like kids say that to "impress" their ivy league friends.
3) No school pride. As others have pointed out, this is the ONLY consistently relevant, national program that we have, and they still don't show up.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 31, 2013 14:08:41 GMT -5
I don't buy that Georgetown students aren't sports fans. That's not my experience there at all. It's not true of the Ivys either.
There's nothing wrong with the students or that we have a lot of smart kids in our school. So does Duke and Stanford and plenty of other schools. Being smart and ambitious and not caring about sports or school pride are not related in the least. But we, by which I mean the University and the students who DO care, need to do a better job bringing more students into the fold and showing them that it's a fun way to spend a Wednesday night.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 31, 2013 14:10:03 GMT -5
Wait, so why did the school stop busing students directly over to the game? I'm as big a fan as they come, but if I had to take some indirect route by bus with a Metro transfer to get to every game, I'm not sure I'd go either every time, unless we were top 10 and on some kind of impressive tear.
They ought to do the busing thing again. Its a major disadvantage to have an arena that takes 45 minutes to an hour to get to from campus (ask DePaul), and Gtown has plenty of other disadvantages (a student makeup that isn't exactly made up of your typical average huge American sports fan, small enrollment, etc.)
To me the bigger question is why we can't do consistently better with non-student attendance. I realize this isn't Maryland, but there are thousands and thousands of Hoyas alums in the DC area. There are also many, many locals for whom Gtown used to be and perhaps still is a local team. And Georgetown hoops tickets have to be about as cheap a major sports entertainment draw as you're going to find in town.
Maybe it just go back to the Wilbon/Steinberg discussion about how DC is a bad sports city. But I don't think that's it. This isn't a question of transplants. We're talking about actual alums here.
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Post by CaliHoya on Jan 31, 2013 14:16:44 GMT -5
Are "lessons learned" passed down year after year in Hoya Blue? Obviously, something went very right the years we filled both sides of the student section (and it wasn't just that our team may have been better).
The Corp makes sure that institutional best practices aren't forgotten by having an advisory board of many of the past alumni leaders. Does Hoya Blue have this to make sure what worked in past years isn't forgotten? If not, they really should create this.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 31, 2013 14:17:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I think they stopped the buses because there was too many people. Now that there's not, it's time to restart them.
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