2014 Recruits (includes Josh Smith discussion)

[daytonahoya31]

May 11, 2013 11:35:35 GMT -5 kghoya said:

May 11, 2013 11:24:05 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

I can't believe that this is even being debated. It's common knowledge you don't lose any playing eligibility while sitting out. That would make no sense. No one would transfer. You can't not break up a season into 2 separate semesters. These are NCAA student athletes. The student part comes first. That's like saying you spent 3 semesters at Pepperdine, then transferred to Harvard and only had 4 semesters to complete...

You don't lose eligibility by sitting out, you lose it by playing. Smith played part of last season, his third in college basketball. He has a season remaining.

Show me an example where a player played 3 semesters at one school and then 5 at another. It will require a waiver. You don't get 1.5 seasons here and then 2.5 seasons there.

Nikita played 2 seasons at Georgetown, then 2 at Wake.

Gordon played 2 seasons at UCLA, then 2 at New Mexico.

Where is the disconnect?

Josh is eligible in December. He can play the rest of the year. He will have one full year of eligibility remaining.

Please don't argue this any further. He has three semesters of eligibility remaining. You don't lose an entire year by playing six games and transferring.

Again. Please don't attempt to argue this any further.

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Can we talk about 2014 recruits now?

[FrazierFanatic]

May 12, 2013 20:02:23 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

This is the dumbest dispute hoyatalk has ever had......one person confusing a commonly known rule.

This is not even in the top ten of the dumbest disputes we have ever had!

[EtomicB]

May 13, 2013 1:14:54 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Can we talk about 2014 recruits now?

Are Booth & Wiley equal in the eyes of the staff or do they prefer one over the other?

I'd like to see one of the remaining spots go to Bentil and whoever accepts 1st between Booth or Wiley.

If neither wants to come I'd look at the Bridges kid from Pa.

[hoyafan23]

I think Elbert Robinson is the priority

[HometownHoya]

May 13, 2013 9:42:55 GMT -5 hoyafan23 said:

I think Elbert Robinson is the priority

I hope so, his measurable's are incredible and it seems like he knows how to use his body. We all know that we can develop bigs but its even nicer when they come in with skills to work off of.

[michaelgrahmstylie]

As for the dumbest dispute ever, I hardly think so. I have endured some mud slinging on this board that were so rediculous they were actually half entertaining.

[EtomicB]

May 13, 2013 9:42:55 GMT -5 hoyafan23 said:

I think Elbert Robinson is the priority

Copeland, Bentil & Booth has always been my top wish list.. Now that Tre is in the fold, all the staff has to do is RS Hayes this coming season and I'll be in heaven..

The program would have all 5 positions filled in a modified 2014 class..

PG - Campbell
SG - Booth
SF - Copeland
PF - Bentil
C - Hayes

These 5 would join a 2014-15 team with 5 seniors(Smith, Hopkins, GW, Bowen & Trawick), 2 juniors(Domingo & DSR) and a sophomore in Cameron..

That's a monster team imo..

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May 13, 2013 7:55:32 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

May 13, 2013 1:14:54 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Can we talk about 2014 recruits now?

Are Booth & Wiley equal in the eyes of the staff or do they prefer one over the other?

I'd like to see one of the remaining spots go to Bentil and whoever accepts 1st between Booth or Wiley.

If neither wants to come I'd look at the Bridges kid from Pa.

I don’t know if they’re equal but 3 would accept a commitment from either one, but I doubt he would take both.

[prhoya]

RDF, who do you think is the next commit? You can pm me.

[hoyafan23]

always in a good position to be, we have 2 committed and I believe about 2 scholarships left (correct me if I am wrong).

We have been stated in the top for the following prospects: pinson, booth, wiley, bentill, robinson, looney, lattin, and newton (to name those in the top 100)

The likely hood we land pinson is short (but every fan would love it if we land him). With a PG and a SF/PF, which of these prospects should we go after the most, as we only have two spots.

Looking at our players I think Robinson (big center) and either Looney (SF)/Booth (SG role player), any other opinions?

[idhoya]

Definitely Robinson and a SG/PF.

[EtomicB]

insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=3590 Top 10 late bloomers for 2014.

3. Isaac Copeland, F: These are the facts, and they are indisputable: For half of his high school career, Copeland was more prospect than player. He received token minutes for a very good high school team, missed most of his then-junior year due to injury, reclassified at another school and then proceeded to grow into his body and the expectations that came with it. Within a year of the transformation, Georgetown had scooped him up. He went from acing the look test to passing the play test at the highest level.

9. James Palmer, SG: The last big-time player to come out of his high school was Chris Wright. Here’s the deal: People know about Palmer and they like him, but they like other bigger-name shooting guards better. Once a few of those guys pop and programs pick on their secondary targets, you’ll hear a lot more about this guy. If it were me, I’d move with a little more alacrity.

Palmer is starting to really peak my interest.. Seems like every Takeover video I watch he's in a # of highlights and when you check the stats for the game he has very solid assist & scoring #'s.

The staff should really keep an eye on him..

[robdauster]

This is Rob Dauster. I write for NBCSports.com. Just wanted to clear up the confusion with Josh Smith, because one of the links that has been cited in this thread is from our site. The info in that post was misleading. It has since been updated and corrected.

To set the record straight, here's the deal with Josh Smith: the NCAA doesn't look at eligibility in terms of semesters. They look at seasons, and based on their rules, Josh Smith has used up three seasons of eligibility. It doesn't matter when he transferred out of UCLA or how many minutes he played. As of this moment, Smith has one season of eligibility remaining. He can either play the second semester of the 2013-2014 season of player the entire year in 2014-2015.

That said, Smith can also apply for a waiver that would get him an extra year of eligibility, meaning that, in an ideal world, he will, in fact, be able to play the second semester of the 2013-2014 season and the entire 2014-2015 season. I haven't heard anything concrete about Georgetown pursuing this waiver, but there's no doubt in my mind that they are because a) Georgetown's not dumb and b) only a dumb program would ignore the possibility of getting a waiver seeing how the NCAA hands them out like Halloween candy these days.

The best case scenario for Georgetown would be a situation similar to Greg Echenique's. He played a season and a half at Rutgers before transferring out. After sitting out a full year, he played the second half of the 2010-2011 season at Creighton and then played all of the 2011-2012 and 2012-2013 seasons. He took part in five different seasons ONLY because he got a waiver from the NCAA that gave him an extra year of eligibility.

Those are the facts. Apologies if we contributed to any of the confusion. Blame @bobbybancroft.

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Thx Rob..

[kghoya]

I'd like to hear from all the board know it alls that said I was wrong. Without a waiver, smith has either a semester or a year in 14-15 remaining.

Thank you Rob

[BubbleVisionBiff]

Thanks Rob. Had replied to you and Bobby via twitter on your discussion this afternoon and then saw that the articles Etomic was citing were corrected.
Still having trouble squaring this with a system that is based in part on semesters.

Hopefully the waiver is what Rock and others on Casual had heard about and GU is pursuing it.

Rob, are you at liberty to say in general who your sources are? NCAA? GU? It wasn't ajerseryguy, right?

EDIT: Trying to suspend my disbelief here, that every other kid who has transferred after the fall term only had one season (either 1 or 2 semesters) left. Wasn't Drew Gordon cited earlier? Did he not have a waiver?

[hoyasaxa2003]

I am willing to admit I was wrong about this, but I think it is immensely unfair, and the NCAA rules should be changed to address situations like this. If I understand right:

(1) If Smith sat out last year and transferred, he would have had two FULL seasons of eligibility left and he would have been eligible in November at the beginning of the season.

(2) Instead, because Smith played 6 games, he only has 1 year of eligibility left, and he cannot play until the first semester is over in 2013-2014. Thus, Smith has essentially one semester of play if he wants to play immediately.

This seems incredibly unfair. Under the first scenario, Smith would get 4 semesters of eligibility, and in the second scenario, he gets 1. I also think it's unrealistic to expect kids like Smith to sit out a full year so they can get 2 semesters of eligibility (not to mention, it would put him out of the game nearly 2 years, which isn't beneficial to anybody).

I fully expect Smith will play in 2013-2014, and hopefully Georgetown will get and receive a waiver. In the meantime, I think the NCAA rules need to change. Perhaps eligibility should be done on a semester basis, rather than full years. That seems like the fairest approach.

[michaelgrahmstylie]

Well, I am glad--for this board's sake--that Rob was able to put that baby to rest. Now we can all go back to being agreeable.

[EtomicB]

May 29, 2013 19:18:03 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

I am willing to admit I was wrong about this, but I think it is immensely unfair, and the NCAA rules should be changed to address situations like this. If I understand right:

(1) If Smith sat out last year and transferred, he would have had two FULL seasons of eligibility left and he would have been eligible in November at the beginning of the season.

(2) Instead, because Smith played 6 games, he only has 1 year of eligibility left, and he cannot play until the first semester is over in 2013-2014. Thus, Smith has essentially one semester of play if he wants to play immediately.

This seems incredibly unfair. Under the first scenario, Smith would get 4 semesters of eligibility, and in the second scenario, he gets 1. I also think it's unrealistic to expect kids like Smith to sit out a full year so they can get 2 semesters of eligibility (not to mention, it would put him out of the game nearly 2 years, which isn't beneficial to anybody).

I fully expect Smith will play in 2013-2014, and hopefully Georgetown will get and receive a waiver. In the meantime, I think the NCAA rules need to change. Perhaps eligibility should be done on a semester basis, rather than full years. That seems like the fairest approach.

+1000


My bad though KG..