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Post by Filo on Dec 2, 2011 11:57:38 GMT -5
We have to be the most Alley-ooped against team in the country with St. Johns being a close 2nd after that beat down bye Kentucky. My thoughts, exactly. Such a great game and so happy with this team that I didn't want to even bring in any negativity, but yeah, this team gives up some serious alley oops and dunks. The other negative that really stood out for me was the complete mishandling of that time clock. As they were coming out of the time out, I turned to my wife and said, "watch, they are not going to have any clue how much time is left and they are not going to get a shot off." I know JTIII was mad after that but I have been saying for something like 4 years now that SOMEONE ON THE COACHING STAFF NEEDS TO BE TELLING THESE GUYS HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE LEFT ON THE CLOCK! Glad they made up for that when it really counted (on the last possession). Great effort and just a great group of guys to root for!
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Post by 2ndRyan on Dec 2, 2011 11:57:49 GMT -5
Consider me smitten. It's really fun to be a fan of this team right now. I found myself pondering the schedule this morning trying to figure out how I get to DC to see a few more games.
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Post by guru on Dec 2, 2011 12:04:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't write him off just yet, but I agree it's a little over-the-top to praise his passing and screen-setting (especially since his passing last night at least was egregiously awful). I say let him use the rest of the OOC schedule to try to get on track - if he's still this horrendous once the Big East season starts, it's time to reevaluate his role. Show me my "over-the-top" praise please. I simply pointed out the things he usually does well in the offense. Many of them do not fall in the offensive point total category. Not trying to say he is playing at top efficiency and clearly there were times last night where a drop step move would have been a better choice for him. Sorry. Didnt mean over the top praise. Just meant it seemed like you were straining way too hard to point out his positives. Truth is, outside of a nice jumpshot and a pretty nice back door pass I recall, ThunderSnow was pretty all-around awful last night. We all hope he improves soon.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 2, 2011 12:12:33 GMT -5
We have to be the most Alley-ooped against team in the country with St. Johns being a close 2nd after that beat down bye Kentucky. My thoughts, exactly. Such a great game and so happy with this team that I didn't want to even bring in any negativity, but yeah, this team gives up some serious alley oops and dunks. The other negative that really stood out for me was the complete mishandling of that time clock. As they were coming out of the time out, I turned to my wife and said, "watch, they are not going to have any clue how much time is left and they are not going to get a shot off." I know JTIII was mad after that but I have been saying for something like 4 years now that SOMEONE ON THE COACHING STAFF NEEDS TO BE TELLING THESE GUYS HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE LEFT ON THE CLOCK! Glad they made up for that when it really counted (on the last possession). Great effort and just a great group of guys to root for! I think that from JTIII's reaction it was pretty clear that he or someone else had told them exactly how much time was left on the shot clock.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 2, 2011 12:20:43 GMT -5
View from Coleman coliseum. Small gtown contingent, but we were into it. Gtowns allotment from Bama was atrocious. Top corner. Bama fans were hospitable and congratulatory after the game. Hollis parents were at game and grinning from ear to ear. Too hungover for more now.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 2, 2011 12:36:53 GMT -5
Sorry. Didnt mean over the top praise. Just meant it seemed like you were straining way too hard to point out his positives. Truth is, outside of a nice jumpshot and a pretty nice back door pass I recall, ThunderSnow was pretty all-around awful last night. We all hope he improves soon. I think we are saying the same thing actually. Nate's showing flashes, but he's much better than he's shown thus far. I think it's also pretty clear that Coach is comfortable enough with the players that whichever player has the hot hand and/or matches up best with the opponent will see the most court time - and that will change from game to game.
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Post by RDF on Dec 2, 2011 12:43:03 GMT -5
Regarding Nate, think his jumpshot from baseline was best looking shot he's taken in games I've seen--confident, smooth, and went in--which is always nice-but he just got the ball/look, took it and that's great to see--be confident. Worst thing to happen--you miss--so what-it was a good look/shot and one he's more then capable of making.
Another area I felt Nate improved-when the guys were sagging off him--he took the ball, dribbled into range where he felt comfortable/had to be accounted for and dropped a great pass to Henry for what will be a hoop 9 out of 10 times but Henry fumbled it away for turnover. it was a great play and type of turnover that is going to happen and never frustrates me--because physical mistakes happen--it was proper play.
Now Nate's fumble of the pass at top of key--ugh........that is the type of turnover that just cannot be happening. Those type of turnovers have made up the past 3 years of Hoya basketball and need to be cut down considerably. Not blaming Nate--but he's too good of a player for that.
One thing the zone defense does--it also allows the guys who log heavy minutes to "rest" a bit on defense. If you are quick/bigger team--your range to cover areas doesn't require as much energy as man to man. So you can still be effective but not have to utilize as much energy the entire game. It's been very helpful and instead of team getting gassed at end of game--we've seen them get key stops, have the legs to make shots on offensive end, and more mentally focused--which as we all know--the better condition, energy you have--more clear you think/confident you are.
What's so enjoyable about this group-you see they are only scratching the surface of what they'll be and out of all things--that is what I was looking forward to most about this season--seeing a group grow/improve over course of a season. Games like KU, Memphis, and Alabama are only going to accelerate that process.
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Post by TC on Dec 2, 2011 12:49:24 GMT -5
The turnover Nate made at the top of the key reminded me of the time Jose Canseco let a ball bounce off his head for a home run.
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Post by JB5 on Dec 2, 2011 12:51:06 GMT -5
Never thought I'd see a board full of Georgetown fans singing the praises of zone defense. Yes, it was effective last night, but zone is something that teams wearing orange play. Yes, our length this year makes it more effective, but I don't have to like it, do I? What would Gene Smith do?
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Post by seaweed on Dec 2, 2011 13:12:36 GMT -5
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Post by swhoya on Dec 2, 2011 13:21:02 GMT -5
My thoughts, exactly. Such a great game and so happy with this team that I didn't want to even bring in any negativity, but yeah, this team gives up some serious alley oops and dunks. The other negative that really stood out for me was the complete mishandling of that time clock. As they were coming out of the time out, I turned to my wife and said, "watch, they are not going to have any clue how much time is left and they are not going to get a shot off." I know JTIII was mad after that but I have been saying for something like 4 years now that SOMEONE ON THE COACHING STAFF NEEDS TO BE TELLING THESE GUYS HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE LEFT ON THE CLOCK! Glad they made up for that when it really counted (on the last possession). Great effort and just a great group of guys to root for! I think that from JTIII's reaction it was pretty clear that he or someone else had told them exactly how much time was left on the shot clock. I think that from III's reaction it was pretty clear that he thought someone SHOULD have told them; doesn't mean it happened. Put me down as feeling like this happens way too often with III's teams. I don't think it's the head coaches direct responsibility, but making sure the assistants are telling the players is his responsibility. It was quite clear from that play that it wasn't just Henry that didn't know--none of the players did. There's really not an excuse for it. My only real knock on III is that I really have no idea what he says in time outs; it never seems like we have a good play drawn up, much less doing the simple stuff like making sure our players know how much time is on the shot/game clock.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 2, 2011 13:34:59 GMT -5
A team of underclassmen, with only Jason, Hollis and Nate having had considerable playing time in the past in game situations with a large, hostile crowd and a quality opponent might also explain--not justify-- the mental errors and the temporary meltdown in the last two minutes. That said, it is all part of the growing process and I cannot imagine that there was any realistic scenario for the OOC schedule that would have been better for the development of this team. Now hopefully the Memphis game will give them the experience of having a large supporting crowd and a quality opponent.
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 2, 2011 13:50:12 GMT -5
Actually from what i remember, coach was upset with a couple of the players when the shot clock ran out. Gotta know that JTIII told everyone about the shot clock, he's always aware of things.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 2, 2011 13:53:22 GMT -5
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Post by whipple on Dec 2, 2011 14:01:37 GMT -5
Game ball goes to JTIII. A little adaptation to our players' strengths (I should say "lengths"--drink) is all we've been looking for. Great call with 2-3 zone and defense-mix-ups towards the end. Definitely outcoached a solid defense in Alabama.
Fantastic play to win it (OUT OF A TIMEOUT!) that really fit within the system and our players. Announcer (Fraschilla?) pointed out Hollis's read to either (1) go back-door or (2) take the hand-off 3. How do you guard that? you can't.
Great job Coach Thompson. Way to go Hoyas
P.S. Did anyone else notice how Othello really had III's ear all night? Great to see!
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 2, 2011 14:02:54 GMT -5
I think that from JTIII's reaction it was pretty clear that he or someone else had told them exactly how much time was left on the shot clock. I think that from III's reaction it was pretty clear that he thought someone SHOULD have told them; doesn't mean it happened. Put me down as feeling like this happens way too often with III's teams. I don't think it's the head coaches direct responsibility, but making sure the assistants are telling the players is his responsibility. It was quite clear from that play that it wasn't just Henry that didn't know--none of the players did. There's really not an excuse for it. My only real knock on III is that I really have no idea what he says in time outs; it never seems like we have a good play drawn up, much less doing the simple stuff like making sure our players know how much time is on the shot/game clock. I agree that sometimes coming out of a time out generally works against us. But that last shot by Hollis, was a designed play coming out of the timeout that JT3 drew up, with option 1-2-3, and the guys executed it to perfection. Option 1 was for Jason to drive of the screen from Henry, when that didn't work the pass went to Hollis which could have gone backdoor for the layup or foul, or on the perimeter for the 3. I think that needs to happen more often and I'm not sure if that is on JT3 to draw up better plays or on the guys for better execution but to say that it never happens is a gross understatement. I can see a huge difference in JT3's end of game strategy as compared to someone like Pastner at Memphis.
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 2, 2011 14:18:41 GMT -5
Not to sound too negative but the reaction of this board had Hollis missed would have been monumentally negative as to how we could blow a nine point lead in the last two minutes. These games are repeatedly a matter of inches.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 2, 2011 14:26:33 GMT -5
No, I'm still a bit upset that we blew a nine point lead in 2 and a half minutes....we should've won that game by 15, truthfully...that said, it's always better to go over mistakes and mishaps after a win
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 2, 2011 14:43:31 GMT -5
No, I'm still a bit upset that we blew a nine point lead in 2 and a half minutes....we should've won that game by 15, truthfully...that said, it's always better to go over mistakes and mishaps after a win Meh, I dont buy that at all. I think when we see another team that cant score, and then keep missing on our possessions, we assume we should have won by more. Truth is, Alabama is very tough defensive team. We only stretched the lead because Green had to come out with 4 fouls. But, he played in crunch time. Alabama will give fits to a lot of SEC teams. That was very much a BE road game to me. Reminded me of the wins we get at Rutgers, Seton Hall, etc.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 2, 2011 14:51:07 GMT -5
No, I'm still a bit upset that we blew a nine point lead in 2 and a half minutes....we should've won that game by 15, truthfully...that said, it's always better to go over mistakes and mishaps after a win Pretty much exactly what I was thinking Daytona. 1. OF course we would rather not blow the 9 point lead with 2 1/2 to go by giving up 10 straight points in crunch time. 2. That said, AWESOME that we retained our poise and Hollis was money on that Three. 3. We get the win and gain some confidence, but JT3 and Staff have all kinds of things to get after the guys about. This will ensure they get the kids' attention -- reinforce key issues. 4. Finally, on that out of TO, 8 seconds issue: As far as I am concerned, that's totally on 3. He was the one talking to the kids. He has to MAKE SURE they are getting it. How many times have you talked to folks at work (or elsewhere) and you can see them tuning you out, or not "cluing in" to what you are saying. It's up to 3 to make sure if the guys don't get ANYTHING else out of the message you are giving them about the upcoming play AFTER the TO, they MUST know there are only 8 seconds on the shot clock. IF only ONE thing you say registers with the, you have to MAKE SURE that one thing is the 8 seconds. Great Win, and still a GREAT teaching/coaching experience. Team has to gain confidence and learn a lot from that one. Love this team!
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