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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 18, 2011 21:58:20 GMT -5
1) I thought we were playing good defense in this game. Seton Hall jsut was getting every lucky bounce to go their way and caught fire in the second half. They couldn't shoot that well again no matter how hard they try. They got extremely lucky.
2) They also got lucky that the refs let everything go for most of the game. We were getting mugged when they made their run early in the second half. Ref's sucked this game. They helped us in the end by fouling out pope, but Seton hall was mugging hand checking holding pushing our guards and bigs all game with out calls.
3) I thought we played a really good game, seton hall was just lucky to get hot and get some lucky bounces. Great leadrship and play by freeman especially down the stretch. Great job hoyas!
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Post by guru on Jan 18, 2011 22:00:52 GMT -5
1) I thought we were playing good defense in this game. Seton Hall jsut was getting every lucky bounce to go their way and caught fire in the second half. They couldn't shoot that well again no matter how hard they try. They got extremely lucky. 2) They also got lucky that the refs let everything go for most of the game. We were getting mugged when they made their run early in the second half. Ref's sucked this game. They helped us in the end by fouling out pope, but Seton hall was mugging hand checking holding pushing our guards and bigs all game with out calls. 3) I thought we played a really good game, seton hall was just lucky to get hot and get some lucky bounces. Great leadrship and play by freeman especially down the stretch. Great job hoyas! I stopped after point 1 because our defense is just horrific. It's best to just accept it at this point and hope we can overcome it. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 18, 2011 22:01:03 GMT -5
1) I thought we were playing good defense in this game. Seton Hall jsut was getting every lucky bounce to go their way and caught fire in the second half. They couldn't shoot that well again no matter how hard they try. They got extremely lucky. 2) They also got lucky that the refs let everything go for most of the game. We were getting mugged when they made their run early in the second half. Ref's sucked this game. They helped us in the end by fouling out pope, but Seton hall was mugging hand checking holding pushing our guards and bigs all game with out calls. 3) I thought we played a really good game, seton hall was just lucky to get hot and get some lucky bounces. Great leadrship and play by freeman especially down the stretch. Great job hoyas! You seriously came away after having watched that game and thought we played well defensively?  |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 18, 2011 22:01:19 GMT -5
Bless you, HSB. You're delusional, but it's probably a better place to live than where the rest of us think we live.
How many games now has the opponent just made hard shots? I agree -- it feels that way but reality is that we don't contest well and we give up a ton of easy shots. We don't force turnovers. Sometimes we fall apart on the boards (not so much today, I don't think).
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 18, 2011 22:01:38 GMT -5
Okay, it seems as if we haven't improved other than Austin finding the range again. But we did get the win, and that is what counts. We are marking time right now, so it is better to get the wins, while figuring it all out. Let's hope that we do figure it out. On the other side of the coin is the fact that Lunardi is thinking the BE will go 11 for '11 (yes 11 of the 16 teams going to the show).
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 18, 2011 22:06:22 GMT -5
Okay, it seems as if we haven't improved other than Austin finding the range again. But we did get the win, and that is what counts. We are marking time right now, so it is better to get the wins, while figuring it all out. Let's hope that we do figure it out. On the other side of the coin is the fact that Lunardi is thinking the BE will go 11 for '11 (yes 11 of the 16 teams going to the show). I figure a key part of Lunardi's logic is us playing poorly in conference. We had such a strong OOC -- and the rest of the BE did as well -- that it'd be hard to keep us out at 8-10 if things progress. We could go 8-10 with our worst loss being what, @sju? or home versus a WVU team that just beat Purdue? I'm not saying I'd want to do this. But we could go 8-10 and have our worst loss on the season be @sju or @cincy. I mean, really? How stacked is the BE? We need to TCB versus SJU first, though, and then try to get one of those losses back into the win column with one of the many chances for an upset. |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jan 18, 2011 22:06:54 GMT -5
1) I thought we were playing good defense in this game. Seton Hall jsut was getting every lucky bounce to go their way and caught fire in the second half. They couldn't shoot that well again no matter how hard they try. They got extremely lucky. 2) They also got lucky that the refs let everything go for most of the game. We were getting mugged when they made their run early in the second half. Ref's sucked this game. They helped us in the end by fouling out pope, but Seton hall was mugging hand checking holding pushing our guards and bigs all game with out calls. 3) I thought we played a really good game, seton hall was just lucky to get hot and get some lucky bounces. Great leadrship and play by freeman especially down the stretch. Great job hoyas! You seriously came away after having watched that game and thought we played well defensively? I have some magic beans I want to sell him. |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jan 18, 2011 22:11:01 GMT -5
Okay, it seems as if we haven't improved other than Austin finding the range again. But we did get the win, and that is what counts. We are marking time right now, so it is better to get the wins, while figuring it all out. Let's hope that we do figure it out. On the other side of the coin is the fact that Lunardi is thinking the BE will go 11 for '11 (yes 11 of the 16 teams going to the show). I figure a key part of Lunardi's logic is us playing poorly in conference. We had such a strong OOC -- and the rest of the BE did as well -- that it'd be hard to keep us out at 8-10 if things progress. We could go 8-10 with our worst loss being what, @sju? or home versus a WVU team that just beat Purdue? I'm not saying I'd want to do this. But we could go 8-10 and have our worst loss on the season be @sju or @cincy. I mean, really? How stacked is the BE? We need to TCB versus SJU first, though, and then try to get one of those losses back into the win column with one of the many chances for an upset. I was looking at Kenpom today. We haven't lost to a single >50 ranked team according to kenpom's ratings yet. The worst team we've lost to at home is ranked 18 in his rankings. The picture is only more comforting when looking at rpi. Conversely our ooc wins aren't as impressive in his rankings. Only two wins over sub 50 ranked teams w/our best against the 25th ranked team. |
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Jan 18, 2011 22:11:45 GMT -5
So many of you seem to forget that we play against another team every time we take the court. Sometimes it is not all Georgetown. Sometimes our opponents score because they play well, not because we play "rancid defense". Sometimes our defense IS lacking but sometimes the other team shoots 60% for a half because they are hot. Sometimes we miss shots because another team actually plays good defense. Sports has a fair amount of luck involved and sometimes it goes our way (Missouri, Seton hall) and sometimes it doesn't (Temple).
Those who expect us to consistently dominate good competition, prepare for disappointment. We'll win our share and are dangerous to ANYONE but we are not going to dominate night in and night out. Accept them for what they are and try to enjoy the efforts of college kids who provide so much entertainment for those who travel in our circles. It'll make life a lot easier.
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Post by chep3 on Jan 18, 2011 22:15:46 GMT -5
our defense is rancid....we need athletes Don't know if rancid is the right word, but you've hit the problem -they are too slow footed, especially on the ball -- I think in the last ten minutes SH scored on about seven or eight straight possessions. Although I thought they rebounded pretty well. The win is great news (particularly how the seniors played), but Cuse and UConn would have beaten GU by 20 tonight. This is definitely part of it, but it's not all of it. The guys have bad defensive instincts as well. How many times were we going to let Robinson go left? It's not like we've never seen teams force a lefty to go right, yet we didn't think of doing that today. We play very upright on the perimeter instead of taking a lower stance. We go for shot blocks when they aren't there leaving us out of position on defense (although this wasn't a problem today). We don't use our length when we have it and crowd guys who can go right around us. I'm not sure Vee and Markel are the most "athletic" guys we have on the perimeter, but I think they have the best defensive instincts. Hollis, if he learned not to reach, would be similar. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 18, 2011 22:15:49 GMT -5
So many of you seem to forget that we play against another team every time we take the court. Sometimes it is not all Georgetown. Sometimes our opponents score because they play well, not because we play "rancid defense". Sometimes our defense IS lacking but sometimes the other team shoots 60% for a half because they are hot. Sometimes we miss shots because another team actually plays good defense. Sports has a fair amount of luck involved and sometimes it goes our way (Missouri, Seton hall) and sometimes it doesn't (Temple). Those who expect us to consistently dominate good competition, prepare for disappointment. We'll win our share and are dangerous to ANYONE but we are not going to dominate night in and night out. Accept them for what they are and try to enjoy the efforts of college kids who provide so much entertainment for those who travel in our circles. It'll make life a lot easier. I'll agree that SHU got some lucky bounces with a couple of shots, and you do have to give them credit for their shooting in the 2nd half. They took advantage of the open looks we gave them and finished well in the post for all except the last 3-4 minutes of the game. But there were a host of buckets we gave up during that 19-2 run that were a result of none of our five players having even a passing interest in getting back in transition defense. That is something that is on us from an effort standpoint and not our opponent. That is something I cannot live with and should be unacceptable to both them as well as our staff. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2011 22:17:20 GMT -5
So many of you seem to forget that we play against another team every time we take the court. Sometimes it is not all Georgetown. Sometimes our opponents score because they play well, not because we play "rancid defense". Sometimes our defense IS lacking but sometimes the other team shoots 60% for a half because they are hot. Sometimes we miss shots because another team actually plays good defense. Sports has a fair amount of luck involved and sometimes it goes our way (Missouri, Seton hall) and sometimes it doesn't (Temple). Those who expect us to consistently dominate good competition, prepare for disappointment. We'll win our share and are dangerous to ANYONE but we are not going to dominate night in and night out. Accept them for what they are and try to enjoy the efforts of college kids who provide so much entertainment for those who travel in our circles. It'll make life a lot easier. I hear you, but us playing rancid defense isnt about who we played, or whether we won or lost, or good luck or bad luck. To most of the people here who are commenting about it, it's an observation based on watching the team play. We just played rancid defense. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 18, 2011 22:17:31 GMT -5
So many of you seem to forget that we play against another team every time we take the court. Sometimes it is not all Georgetown. Sometimes our opponents score because they play well, not because we play "rancid defense". Sometimes our defense IS lacking but sometimes the other team shoots 60% for a half because they are hot. Sometimes we miss shots because another team actually plays good defense. Sports has a fair amount of luck involved and sometimes it goes our way (Missouri, Seton hall) and sometimes it doesn't (Temple). Those who expect us to consistently dominate good competition, prepare for disappointment. We'll win our share and are dangerous to ANYONE but we are not going to dominate night in and night out. Accept them for what they are and try to enjoy the efforts of college kids who provide so much entertainment for those who travel in our circles. It'll make life a lot easier. Yes, you're definitely right. However, when most of the teams you face make an amazing number of shots, eventually you have to start to ask if your team isn't doing it right. You're also right that this team isn't good enough to dominate. I think the OOC -- against just the right level of competition and good matchups -- made us think we were better than we were. Especially true since we saw good teams but they were all short. We've seen how hard it is for us to deal with height (see ND). If everyone sort of reset expectations back to a team without a star in the middle, playing mostly small ball or relying on a frosh PF to play big ... this isn't unexpected. Add in a frankly awesome BE, and a shooting slump and that's why we're here. |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jan 18, 2011 22:18:12 GMT -5
So many of you seem to forget that we play against another team every time we take the court. Sometimes it is not all Georgetown. Sometimes our opponents score because they play well, not because we play "rancid defense". Sometimes our defense IS lacking but sometimes the other team shoots 60% for a half because they are hot. Sometimes we miss shots because another team actually plays good defense. Sports has a fair amount of luck involved and sometimes it goes our way (Missouri, Seton hall) and sometimes it doesn't (Temple). Those who expect us to consistently dominate good competition, prepare for disappointment. We'll win our share and are dangerous to ANYONE but we are not going to dominate night in and night out. Accept them for what they are and try to enjoy the efforts of college kids who provide so much entertainment for those who travel in our circles. It'll make life a lot easier. Coming into the game Kenpom had us as the 66th best defense in the country. Seton Hall came in with the 167th best offense. We have played statistically below average defense in the last 6 games and been below average in 7 of our last 8 games. Hard to hedge against those types of stats. |
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Post by chep3 on Jan 18, 2011 22:19:18 GMT -5
So many of you seem to forget that we play against another team every time we take the court. Sometimes it is not all Georgetown. Sometimes our opponents score because they play well, not because we play "rancid defense". Sometimes our defense IS lacking but sometimes the other team shoots 60% for a half because they are hot. Sometimes we miss shots because another team actually plays good defense. Sports has a fair amount of luck involved and sometimes it goes our way (Missouri, Seton hall) and sometimes it doesn't (Temple). Those who expect us to consistently dominate good competition, prepare for disappointment. We'll win our share and are dangerous to ANYONE but we are not going to dominate night in and night out. Accept them for what they are and try to enjoy the efforts of college kids who provide so much entertainment for those who travel in our circles. It'll make life a lot easier. Yes, except I'm not sure Jordan Theodore was playing against another team at certain points tonight. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 18, 2011 22:19:21 GMT -5
I question whether the BE is as good as believed this year. Any year that Pitt is the leading contender in the conference is a bad year IMO. They're good for 2 rounds at best this year IMO.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 18, 2011 22:22:41 GMT -5
I'll admit that I'm also a Redskins fan. Its a total bummer.
But my point is that earlier in the year with the Skins at 4-3, they were going into Detroit and everybody called me a negative Nancy for suggesting that they would be very fortunate to win at Detroit to head into the bye at 5-3. I mean the Skins aren't that good and they had lost to Detroit the year before.
It's the same with the Hoyas. Why do people expect them to go up and win by 15 points? Sure once the game started I was upset with a lot of what I saw, but a win is a win right now.
Their season almost died tonight. I'm really glad that it didn't.
What kills me is that I don't know how they will all of a sudden get better at defense. I'd love to see Sanford get some minutes since Clark is lost in the wilderness. I'd also like to see Moses.
I was pretty anti-Moses for awhile because I figured he had nothing to offer but it would really be hard to offer less than what they are getting out of HT and HS on defense against other team's bigs.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2011 22:22:53 GMT -5
I question whether the BE is as good as believed this year. Any year that Pitt is the leading contender in the conference is a bad year IMO. They're good for 2 rounds at best this year IMO. Who in America is better than Pitt? I'd put them up against anyone. |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jan 18, 2011 22:29:16 GMT -5
I question whether the BE is as good as believed this year. Any year that Pitt is the leading contender in the conference is a bad year IMO. They're good for 2 rounds at best this year IMO. Who in America is better than Pitt? I'd put them up against anyone. I hate to say it but Duke and I'd also take Kansas and Ohio State. Ohio State is what I thought this team could be at the end of non conf minus Sullinger. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2011 22:34:45 GMT -5
Id take Pitt on a neutral floor against any of those teams. But, even still, the BE has 12 teams in the top 100 of the RPI. It's brutal, and the only reason I think we might only win 8-9 games is because every team we lose to might just be better than us.
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