RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 23, 2010 23:18:34 GMT -5
I would hate for the campus to just feel like buildings on top of other buildings, but eventually the university's hand will be forced and they will have to tear something down (or you know just renovate the perfectly good historic building that sits empty in the middle of campus.) Not if the plan is to eventually take over the Med School campus, I suppose. I once asked Brangman a question about the old Jes Res and that whole quasi-condemned complex. He gave an answer about what the concept for the space would be (a "Jesuit identity core" that would contain things like the Berkley Center, the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate, the Jesuit Volunteers Corps International, etc.), but nothing on whether there were any concrete plans for rehabilitation. John Glavin's take on it was that no one wants to donate money to renovate an old building, they only want to donate to new things. That, combined with the exorbitant cost of stripping asbestos out of those kinds of buildings - we're talking 'constructing a giant bubble around the entire thing and bringing in a small army of haz-mat certified contractors' - has conspired to make the status quo the default option in the zero-sum funding game. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 24, 2010 14:01:10 GMT -5
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Aug 24, 2010 14:03:06 GMT -5
give them something shiny to look out to distract from the real problem!  |
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Post by seaweed on Aug 24, 2010 18:07:16 GMT -5
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Aug 24, 2010 19:35:29 GMT -5
This will make watching football and LAX games so much more enjoyable! ;D |
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Post by jkhoya12 on Aug 24, 2010 21:49:40 GMT -5
Also, it doesn't really fit the DeGioia model of building, which has had a distinct focus on high-quality academic space vs. loading up a bunch of administrative space: see Hariri building, Davis Performing Arts Ctr). While his office takes up an entire level of the most beautiful, but least used by students, building on campus False....his office takes up a suite on the 2nd floor of Healy....barely 1/10th of the entire floor. |
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Post by jkhoya12 on Aug 24, 2010 21:50:23 GMT -5
As far as I know, the new science building is going to be mainly focused in the life science areas (biology, biochemistry, chemistry). In one sense that's a limiting factor, because it won't have all of the undergrad science departments in it. On the other hand, it's an actual strategic decision, which means GU shouldn't end up with another instance like all science depts being stuffed into Reiss with 80 year-old chemistry labs lingering in White-Gravenor. Whether or not one likes the design of Reiss, it's a useful space in which to house the physics, math, and computer science departments. But doing that effectively requires updating the space in Reiss. The progressive gut-and-renovate plan for Reiss gives the possibility of having the two buildings serve as a unit to house a much-improved set of science facilities. That's the plan, anyway. (I have never heard the "administrative offices" in Reiss plan. If true, it's a recent development, but I would think we'd have heard a pretty significant outcry from the science faculty. Also, it doesn't really fit the DeGioia model of building, which has had a distinct focus on high-quality academic space vs. loading up a bunch of administrative space: see Hariri building, Davis Performing Arts Ctr). As far as I know the plan for Reiss is administrative space.....and i had never heard otherwise, just that it was being renovated(no details). |
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 25, 2010 8:14:02 GMT -5
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Aug 25, 2010 15:58:49 GMT -5
I guess the question comes down to whether or not faculty offices are considered "administrative space." If you're attempting to attract or retain high-quality faculty, then the offices and labs are anything but "administrative." And if you're trying to improve the undergraduate or graduate student experience in the sciences, high quality faculty are job #1.
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Aug 27, 2010 13:42:46 GMT -5
Surface parking lots, sure. Harbin patio? You need open spaces. Even now, the campus is starting to get claustrophobic. I'm all for rebuilding inefficient buildings, but you need spaces in between buildings. What he said I get what you're saying. I guess I would feel Harbin patio was less wasted space if anyone actually used it. Even if they don't build on it, a lawn would be a much better use of that space than that concrete monstrosity. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 27, 2010 15:03:50 GMT -5
The reason they have left harbin patio has cement is because it is a great place for events...even if it's raining you can still have tents there and not worry about mud.
I agree though, they should put grass there...maybe some walkways.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 27, 2010 17:26:06 GMT -5
front page article in todays hoya re the communities resistance to the campus plan now the pracitce facility and the multi sport were in the LAST CAMPUS plan that was approved sooo but you never know with the community how many times the boat house has been close we will see go hoyas go practice facility  |
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 2, 2010 8:02:37 GMT -5
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Sept 2, 2010 8:47:51 GMT -5
Our best bet for developing campus continues to involve some form of time travel. Well, isn't that why the new science building has to come first? ;D |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 7, 2010 9:25:57 GMT -5
From the Voice article: "In addition to the $6.9 million grant, the University has raised $25 million. On January 22, President John DeGioia said the projected total cost of the building is $98.5 million. The remaining $73.5 million will come from gifts, cash reserves, and loans, according to Professor Timothy Barbari."
Loans? In other words, it's not going to get buillt without borrowing. Again.
The University, highly leveraged as it is, accepts additional debt for academic buildings, but athletics projects must be cash in hand. And next week marks the five year anniversary of the halting of construction for the MSF.
And remember this date: November 23, 2011. Two years ago, the Voice reported that GU had received an extention for zoning approvals previously given on the MSF, Science, and training facility. If funding, designs, and other signoffs are not completed and GU does not initiate construction of the MSF and ATF by that date, just 14 months from now, these projects go back to requiring community board approvals.
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Post by Dhall on Sept 7, 2010 10:01:16 GMT -5
From the Voice article: "In addition to the $6.9 million grant, the University has raised $25 million. On January 22, President John DeGioia said the projected total cost of the building is $98.5 million. The remaining $73.5 million will come from gifts, cash reserves, and loans, according to Professor Timothy Barbari." Loans? In other words, it's not going to get buillt without borrowing. Again. The University, highly leveraged as it is, accepts additional debt for academic buildings, but athletics projects must be cash in hand. And next week marks the five year anniversary of the halting of construction for the MSF. And remember this date: November 23, 2011. Two years ago, the Voice reported that GU had received an extention for zoning approvals previously given on the MSF, Science, and training facility. If funding, designs, and other signoffs are not completed and GU does not initiate construction of the MSF and ATF by that date, just 14 months from now, these projects go back to requiring community board approvals. I don't follow the ins and outs of this, but any tax exempt entity that did not borrow to make capital improvements (academic or athletic) would be dumb. They can borrow at effective rates of something like 2% right now. So having $25m for a $100m project seems quite good actually. |
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Post by hoyatables on Sept 7, 2010 23:43:49 GMT -5
From the Voice article: "In addition to the $6.9 million grant, the University has raised $25 million. On January 22, President John DeGioia said the projected total cost of the building is $98.5 million. The remaining $73.5 million will come from gifts, cash reserves, and loans, according to Professor Timothy Barbari." Loans? In other words, it's not going to get buillt without borrowing. Again. The University, highly leveraged as it is, accepts additional debt for academic buildings, but athletics projects must be cash in hand. And next week marks the five year anniversary of the halting of construction for the MSF. And remember this date: November 23, 2011. Two years ago, the Voice reported that GU had received an extention for zoning approvals previously given on the MSF, Science, and training facility. If funding, designs, and other signoffs are not completed and GU does not initiate construction of the MSF and ATF by that date, just 14 months from now, these projects go back to requiring community board approvals. Not really, DFW. Extensions of time are really procedural requests that merely require a showing of "good cause." It is a pretty easy case to make, particularly in the context of the recent economic downturn. The larger campus plan discussions aside, there's nothing that would suggest that the community would get in the way. Furthermore, the extensions doesn't require local community "approval" - they just get to weigh in. It's only the Zoning Commission - a collection of three mayoral appointees and two federal designees - that get a vote. |
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 8, 2010 8:38:49 GMT -5
i hope youre wright but remember the boat house and our performing arts center which had to be downsized HOPE youre wright but you never know go hoyas |
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Post by skyhoya on Sept 17, 2010 16:57:33 GMT -5
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Post by zurihoya on Oct 6, 2010 15:34:13 GMT -5
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